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Racehorse stallion Waquoit-UPDATE!

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#41

To the OP:
There are a few stallions out there that, were I shopping for a horse, i would purchase sight-unseen. Waquoit is one of them. They arent the fanciest horses, but they are triers, decent movers, better than average jumpers and BIG. I love Grey Dawn sitting in that position in the pedigree–they are always stamped big.

That said, I find it frustrating when people are tearing apart a picture when they haven’t even seen the horse in person, knowing that we suck as photogs. That horse is not ewe-necked, as I’m sure you saw when you visited him. As someone who has a vast amount of experience seeing racehorses, I would imagine that they look at most of our pictures and say “hrmmm, I bet they look better in person”. Course, pictures don’t tell you about temperament or dangerous tendencies, luckily we have some COTH posters to terrify folks about that :wink:

I’m rambling–
I hope you end up with the horse, he is going to be stunning when he is all fat and happy :slight_smile:

#42

We have a Waquoit grandson we adore. He has been our “guest horse” since he was 3 because he has the temperament of a saint. He is also fast ,big and was Champion at his first show. Super trainable,lovely mover and very scopey and correct jumper. I hate that we will be selling him this summer as my rider will be in vet school this fall, and he is just too nice to sit in the field for 4 years.
I have really liked all the Waquoit’s I’ve seen. Didn’t breed to him myself because he tended to throw really big foals, and I thought that might be hard on the mare.
I really like the look of your guy and bet you have a great time with him!

#43

Well I put the deposit and am picking him up this weekend, so he’s mine for the most part.

Thanks for the nice words. It’s posters like you that make coming COTH worth it, putting up with all the sometimes not so nice posters…

We all have our moments on here… but to tear apart a horse when someone is very excited, already purchased it etc… really does nothing but cause upset. IMHO.

I liked what I saw and went with my gut… I hope it proves correct! :slight_smile:

#44

Don’t worry about someone else’s opinion, that is just what it is THIER opinion. If you like the horse that’s what matters. I’ve seen lots of horses that didn’t “look the part” do very well. And some good looking buggers that were not athletic at all. Enjoy him

#45

[QUOTE=Xctrygirl;3031076]
I realize that you already gave them a deposit, but did you :

1.) Pull his race record online? (It can show valuable clues and trends towards his soundness and work ethic)

2.) The vet clinic at Charlestown offers a very low cost PPE WITH xrays. PPE’s are like $300

(His ankles look a bit scary to me. Could just be osselets.)

3.) Did you ride him? He’s on the farm… so not a track issue?

I am not trying to come off as sounding negative but sooooo many people aren’t doing their homework with CANTER horses, and they become the same folks that 9 months later are complaining about OTTB’s as a whole.

I don’t envy you trying to get that horse to do dressage. That ewe neck would scare me off. Not to mention the hind end. But he is only 5 and could grow into himself.

I hope your trailer is big enough!! Mine wouldn’t be!! :slight_smile:

~Emily[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=La Gringa;3036494]
but to tear apart a horse when someone is very excited, already purchased it etc… really does nothing but cause upset. [/QUOTE]

Would you be so kind as to show me exactly where I tore him apart?

I mentioned 3 things (ewe neck possibility, ankles and Hind end)

With all 3 of these things I gave the possibility that they were non issues in the form of growth needed (hind end and ewe neck) and that the ankles could be osselets or nothing!!

If you don’t want or can’t take people’s honest opnions, then don’t ask for them.

I asked for opinions on the Hunting board 3 weeks ago and essentially got my butt handed to me. But I didn’t bitch about it. I replied with questions and comments to help clarify the picture and I took those people Who are experienced in their discipline and who’s advice I sought and I paid attention and thanked them.

Did I agree with everything they said? No. Did I whine about the things I didn’t like, no. I asked for their opinion and I got it.

You did that here and now you’re whining. Like it or not, whether I saw only a picture or went to the farm and saw the horse, I have a stronger background in Tb’s than you do.* And my opinions are based on that. I have given leeway in my thoughts for a poorer quality picture, but I am not gonna come full circle and say I prefer his body type for my own thoughts. But hey if you love him, great. I am absolutely happy another OTTB will get a loving home. And somewhere in all this BS it seems you have missed that I have said that.

(* = Based on the experience you have given)

~Emily

#46

You offered up the confo critique, I didn’t ask for it. I asked on the original post what other Waquoit lines had done, not for a conformation clinic of the horse I posted.

I just didn’t like the negativity to the post, that’s it. I accept your apology, I am very excited about my new horse and want to think positive thoughts, not negative.

Lets drop this and move on. I got a little bent out of shape when you reposted the pics when I removed them, I took that as kind of rude… sorry I misunderstood your intentions.

I think he’s a nice horse, and I am glad I found him!

#47

I had a 17.2 gray gelding that was the grandson of Waquoit on the dam side (Two Punch x Waquoits Landing). He was a lovely lovely mover and good jumper. I sold him as a hunter and he is still happily cruising along. Great temperments!

#48

La Gringa, your last post showed quite a bit of class. I saw as much of an apology in Emily’s post as a ewe neck on your new horse. That is, I didn’t see one.

#49

Thanks!

By the way, I chose a name I think for him. His Track name is Quoit a Dinner. That is just too hard to say or swallow for a new career in the show ring.

I am going to name him San Blas. It’s a cool little neighborhood in Peru in Cusco, I lived in Peru for three years. It’s an artist area, and I am a painter so I am going with it.

[B]

SAN BLAS

A district of artists

Few meters far from the Main Square of Cusco: “the center of the Inca World” (3,326 m.a.s.l.) we find the district of San Blas: home of famous and popular artists who do not get tired of weaving, sculpturing or moulding wonderful pieces. They inspired on the streets of snake shape, the adobe walls painted in white and the famous pulpit of its centenary temple.

San Blas: narrow streets in zigzag, white houses with blue doors and windows where the wonderful artisans find the inspiration to create rosy-cheeked virgins and “saints” with long and thin necks as the necks of vicuñas, or “Manuelito Children” disguised as varayocs: the legendary Andean mayors.

Creativity developed in a district of the Imperial City, above the old Main Square or Huacaypata as they used to call it at prehispanic times when they did not know any saints and San Blas was not San Blas but simply a stony place in the “center of the Inca World” where the artisans lived.

[/B]
Barn name is still up in the air!

Thanks everyone for all the positive notes on this thread. I am so happy to know such a great source of people are here with such experience with these guys. I am sure I will be on here with lots of questions as we progress.

Kindra

#50

Awww, he looks like a really sweet guy! Definitely post pics of him when he puts on weight. I’m sure he’ll look smashing!!:slight_smile:

And Emily-I and probably others, are sick of hearing about how “experienced you are and what you’ve done and who you know.” It comes across as snotty. If you choose to reply to what I have said here, I will ignore it.

#51

Wow. That was uncalled for. :no:

Perhaps Emily’s comments were unwarranted, but what gives with bashing her? Much of what she said in her post that was construed as negative was actually quite germane, and serves as good advice for others who come here contemplating the purchase of a TB from the track.

All the best with your new guy, La Gringa. Maybe you can call him Weaver. (that’s a joke, by the way.)

Emily, for the record, I’ve never found you to come across as a rude, snotty, name-dropper. :wink:

#52

I don’t get it - I post here because people have experience I don’t and which might be helpful, so I really appreciate knowing what it is. Doesn’t seem snotty, etc to me - I like context. Oh well. To each her/his own.

Good luck with the horse. I read nice things about him when I was told about one of his for sale - think I found them just by searching his name here. Don’t know anything firsthand.

#53

Emily,
I’m really fairly sure you couldn’t be mean even if you really tried. Sas, I think Em’s comments were COMPLETELY misconstued. She was meerly trying to be helpful, give her opinion, and help you make an informed decision. It is up to you whether or not to take that advice but it stands to reason that all advice, no matter how well informed the advisor, should be taken with a grain of salt.

#54

hahaha!! Too funny - my comment was directed at the original poster, and a couple of others offended by Em’s comments. I’m not one of them - I’ll take her advice any day. Wait… I did… :wink:

#55

I accepted Emily’s apology… lets move on!

All of us, and I mean ALL get senstive about a new horse… they are our kids… and I just got a little sensitive… big whoop!

I am sure Emily does know what she’s talking about, from what I have heard from my neighbor (InVA on COTH) she rode horses for Michael Matz, she can’t be a dummy and do that!

He’s my new kid, upside down as he is. Just wait in 6 months, nobody is gonna belive me he was a Canter horse ! I love that part!

I am feeling good about what I am hearing about the Waquoit line, that was the purposed of this thread, and it HAS been helpful!.

Lets drop the DRAMA! Spring is almost here!! Woooo Hooooo :smiley:

#56

You had me till this statement, and now i’m all sad blue faced again. Huh??
I’m sure you arent meaning that CANTER horses are all fugly and good for nothing except for this one, right? :wink:
They start out lovely, and they end up lovelier.

#57

Yes, they are all wonderful before and after!!

Fugly is beautiful… and smart people know that.

#58

At the risk of disallowing the brouhaha to fade away, I should mention one thing that I truly believe.

La Gringa,

You (and everyone else imo) shouldn’t take what I say with any more or less credence based on the fact that I worked for Michael Matz. As much as I love him as a person he will hire just about anyone who can throw a leg over a horse and stay on. He has an amazing barn and yes I was lucky enough to be a part of it, but so are many many many others.

I don’t go around touting who I worked for when I look for a job. I speak about what I did, like the actual things I did daily. If I have come across as snotty to some here, that’s absolutely a mistake in impression from those reading my words and construing things that are not there in the real me.

I am not gonna say much more here except for this,

I know I am not the best rider, stall mucker, horse care expert, instructor, trainer, pedigree hound or whatever and I have never said I was. Everyday I wonder when the people I work for or have worked for will catch on to me. I have been overwhelmingly blessed in the jobs, employers, and horses that have inhabited my life and molded me into who I am now. I have tried to be a friend to many, and willing to go to extraordinary measures to help out when needed. Not because I felt compelled to, but rather because my life has been a gift…an enormous one that has made nearly every last dream I ever had come true. And I owe everyone around me thanks and true karmic respect for that gift.

That’s all.

Good luck with San Blas. It’s a cool name and I liked the blurb about the city.

I may be coming to visit your neighbor in a few weeks, maybe I’ll get to see him in the flesh. And if so I’ll bring some carrots.

~Emily

#59

Tone in the written word is often hard to interpret. I have found that out myself on this board, often people don’t take what you write as you mean it. It is often takein much harsher than you intended…

Also when someone has said they have already bought the horse, it’s a little late to put in your 2 cents… and if I had wanted a critique of the conformation I would have stated that, I didn’t. I wanted to know the pedigree better.

Anyway, he will be a fun project, I can’t wait to get him here. I am picking him up tomorrow.

#60

Wow, he’s huge!

A friend of mine used to rub both Gold Quoit and Slew O’ Quoit and had nothing but great things to say about both of them. I also love Waquoits, both as racehorses and sport horses. They aren’t especially speedy, but they are tough, durable grinders who can take a joke. He wasn’t a commercial sire, but if you were breeding to race, Waquoit was a great value as a sire.

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