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Really Pre-Green? Loophole exposed!

Hunter/Jumper
#41

[QUOTE=Denzel;7127998]
It really seems like the hunters are spiralling more and more downhill. Entries in the regular hunters are declining because everyone seems to want to stay at 3’ and below forever.

The USEF (and EC too!) really needs to get on the ball and start policing horse records much better! Horses being imported as “unknown breeding” and doing the baby/pre-greens when they have 1.20+ show experience is RIDICULOUS. I totally understand that it is a process getting them to “go like a hunter” after being jumper trained, but the majority of the time, it is PROFESSIONALS showing these horses! It should not take you 2 years to get a horse with 1.20+ experience to lope around the 3’6+ hunters if that’s it’s natural way of going.

Hunter breeders in North America need to notice that Europe seems to breed FAR better hunters by accident than North Americans breed on purpose![/QUOTE]

Entries in the 3’6’’ plus hunters has maybe slightly declined but it really just depends on where you show. The bigger, more prestigious shows will usually have a good amount of 3’6’’+ hunters. On the other hand, the jumper arena can be said to be the same way, just go to any AA show and look at the entries in the Children’s/Adult jumpers and below, they are huge divisions. The truth is that once you get above the Children’s/Adult levels in either the hunters or jumpers it takes a nice, talented horse and skill/dedication on the rider’s part to make it work.

#42

The reinstatement rule was enacted with all good intentions. Originally the cut off date was May 15 and three shows - if memory serves me - not four shows and September 1.
If a First Year Horse was injured and the injury caused the horse to miss the remainder of the season - you can see the logic. Point being before the reinstatement rule you had no where to go but up to the Second Year. In the days of Preliminary, Intermediate and Open Jumpers there was a similar rule which allowed a Jumper to step down if it hadn’t show for an extended period of time.
It should be mentioned that the original reinstatement rule preceded the invention of the Performance Hunter divisions and quite possibly the 3’3" Pre Green. One wonders if these “new” divisions created another case of unintended consequences.
As with the Jumpers - who - with the deletion of Preliminary, Intermediate and Open categories and the modernization of the specs - can now jump any height the rider/trainer deems appropriate, perhaps the Hunters should revisit their reinstatement policy in light of 3’3" Pre Green and 3’3" Performance Hunters.
As for the interpretation of the rule as it stands now, I know of at least one horse who not only showed at 3’6" but also 3’9" in the Regular Conformation and “took it’s year back.”
Nevertheless is was very encouraging to see the level of participation in the Pre Green Incentive program.

#43

Soooooo…Crisp has a show record that started in June 2013.

And Casanova appears to have BEGUN his career at 3’6"…

[B]Horse Name: CASANOVA (5264423)

Breed: DUTCH WARMBLOOD
Sire Name: CAROLUS II
Dam Name: SALLY

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Owner Point States:
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[TD]VA[/TD]
[TD]12/01/12[/TD]
[TD]11/30/13[/TD]
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Date Range: 12/1/2012 - 11/30/2013
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[TD=“width: 50%, align: left”]3584 2013 OCALA WINTER CLASSIC
(Owner at the Competition: DOUGLAS WHEELER)[/TD]
[TD=“align: right”]Start Date of Comp: 2/5/2013 State: FL, Zone: 4[/TD]
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  • Division: GREEN WORKING HUNTER-1ST YEAR
  • Rating: AA
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CH/RES%[/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]50[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Hunter - FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]24[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]51[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]24[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]64.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 44.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]180.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]52[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]24[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3[/TD] [TD="align: left"]54.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 34.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]90.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]53[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Handy Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]24[/TD] [TD="align: left"]7[/TD] [TD="align: left"]46.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 27.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]54[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$100 First Year Green Hunter Under Saddle[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]24[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]59.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 39.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]25.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]FYGH[/TD] [TD="align: left"]First Year Green Hunter - CHAMPIONSHIP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]24[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]76.80 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 52.80[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]125.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]299.80 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 196.80[/TD] [TD="align: left"]295.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]125.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: MISC. HUNTER (No points earned)
  • Rating: N
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CH/RES%[/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Hi-Low Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]88[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]2357 2013 [I]OCALA WINTER FESTIVAL (Owner at the Competition: DOUGLAS WHEELER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 2/12/2013 [B]State:[/B] FL, [B]Zone:[/B] 4[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: GREEN WORKING HUNTER-1ST YEAR
  • Rating: AA
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]50[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Hunter FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]27[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]51[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]27[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]54[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$100 First Year Green Hunter Under Saddle[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]9[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: MISC. HUNTER (No points earned)
  • Rating: N
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Hi-Low Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]48[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]2254 2013 [I]OCALA TOURNAMENT (Owner at the Competition: DOUGLAS WHEELER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 2/26/2013 [B]State:[/B] FL, [B]Zone:[/B] 4[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: GREEN WORKING HUNTER-1ST YEAR
  • Rating: AA
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]50[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Hunter - FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]6[/TD] [TD="align: left"]31.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 12.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]48.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]51[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$600 First Year Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]43.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 23.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]150.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]54[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$100 First Year Green Hunter Under Saddle[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'6"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]43.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 23.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]25.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]GREEN REINSTATEMENT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]117.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 58.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]223.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: MISC. HUNTER (No points earned)
  • Rating: N
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Hi-Low Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]11[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]3594 2013 [I]TAMPA BAY CLASSIC (Owner at the Competition: DOUGLAS WHEELER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 3/27/2013 [B]State:[/B] FL, [B]Zone:[/B] 4[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: 3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2001[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$100 Pre-Green U/S[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]13[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 25.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]40.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]CONOVER, KATE[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2002[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter-FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]15[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 25.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]110.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2003[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]14[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 21.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]70.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2004[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]15[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 21.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]70.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2005[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]15[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]CHPG[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Pre Green Hunter Championship[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]13[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 50.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]CONOVER, KATE[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 142.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]290.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: USHJA Pre-Green Incentive Program
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2006[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Pre-Green Incentive Stake[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]7[/TD] [TD="align: left"]7[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]54.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]54.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]174 2013 [I]TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS (Owner at the Competition: DOUGLAS WHEELER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 4/2/2013 [B]State:[/B] FL, [B]Zone:[/B] 4[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: 3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2001[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$100 Pre-Green U/S[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]9[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 15.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]25.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]BELLE, SHACHINE[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2002[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter-FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]9[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 15.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]70.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, MADISON[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2003[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]9[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 19.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]110.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, MADISON[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2004[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]9[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 15.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]70.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, MADISON[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]2005[/TD] [TD="align: left"]$250 Pre Green Hunter[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]9[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 19.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]110.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, MADISON[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]CHPG[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Pre Green Hunter Championship[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]9[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 38.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]BELLE, SHACHINE[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: reason, colspan: 12, align: center"]HORSE NOT SHOWN IN HOME ZONE, REGION, DISTRICT (GR1111.6)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 121.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]385.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]1374 2013 [I]BROWNLAND FARM SPRING II (Owner at the Competition: DOUGLAS WHEELER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 4/24/2013 [B]State:[/B] TN, [B]Zone:[/B] 4[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: 3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]138[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE GRN HTR 3'3 O/F-FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8.50 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]139[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE GRN HTR 3'3 O/F[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]4[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]11.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]17.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]140[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE GRN HTR 3'3 O/F[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]7[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]18.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]45.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]141[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE GRN HTR 3'3 O/F[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]7[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]18.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]45.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]142[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE GRN HTR 3'3 U/S[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]7[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]18.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]45.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]PGCH[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE GRN HTR 3'3 DIV CHAMPIONSHIP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]36.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]109.50 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]152.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: USHJA Pre-Green Incentive Program
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]315[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GRN HTR STAKE[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'0"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]15[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]552.50[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]552.50[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]5820 2013 [I]KENTUCKY SPRING (Owner at the Competition: BETSEE PARKER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 5/8/2013 [B]State:[/B] KY, [B]Zone:[/B] 5[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: 3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]235[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GREEN HUNTER 3'3' O/F FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]19[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]25.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]236[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GREEN HUNTER 3'3' O/F[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]19[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]237[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GREEN HUNTER 3'3' O/F[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]19[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]25.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]238[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GREEN HUNTER 3'3' O/F[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]19[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]29.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]239[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GREEN HUNTER 3'3' U/S[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]17[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]23.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]PGCH[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GREEN HUNTER 3'3' CHAMPIONSHIP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]19[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]34.80 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]136.80 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]627 2013 [I]UPPERVILLE COLT & HORSE SHOW (Owner at the Competition: BETSEE PARKER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 6/3/2013 [B]State:[/B] VA, [B]Zone:[/B] 3[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: 3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]11[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Pr Green Hunter 3'3 O/F FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]30[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]40.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]12[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Pr Green Hunter 3'3 O/F[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]29[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]40.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]13[/TD] [TD="align: left"]Pr Green Hunter 3'3 U/S[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0[/TD] [TD="align: left"]29[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]36.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]PGCH[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]30[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]80.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]196.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: USHJA Pre-Green Incentive Program
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]51[/TD] [TD="align: left"]USHJA 3 Ft 3' Pre Green Incentive Stake[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]11[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]603.20[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]603.20[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]246212 2013 [I]BLOWING ROCK CHARITY I (Owner at the Competition: BETSEE PARKER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 7/23/2013 [B]State:[/B] NC, [B]Zone:[/B] 3[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: 3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]291[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER o/f - FP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]14[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]24.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]30.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]292[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER o/f[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]14[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]20.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]22.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]293[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER o/f[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]14[/TD] [TD="align: left"]2[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]20.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]22.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]294[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER o/f[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]14[/TD] [TD="align: left"]DNP[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]295[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER U/S[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]12[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]24.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]30.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]PGHC[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER - CHAMPIONSHIP[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]14[/TD] [TD="align: left"]1[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]48.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]136.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]104.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: USHJA Pre-Green Incentive Program
  • Rating: C
[TABLE="class: results"] [TR] [TH="align: left"]CLASS #[/TH] [TH="align: left"]CLASS DESCRIPTION[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HEIGHT[/TH] [TH="align: left"]# ENTRIES[/TH] [TH="align: left"]PLACING[/TH] [TH="align: left"]NAT PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]ZRD PNT GOOD / BAD[/TH] [TH="align: left"]HUNTER MONEY[/TH] [TH="align: left"][/TH] [TH="align: left"]RIDER NAME[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"]408[/TD] [TD="align: left"]PRE-GREEN HUNTER INCENTIVE STAKES 3'3 o/f[/TD] [TD="align: left"]3'3"[/TD] [TD="align: left"]8[/TD] [TD="align: left"]7[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]56.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOSH, HUNT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"] [/TD] [TD="align: left"]TOTALS:[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]0.00 / 0.00[/TD] [TD="align: left"]56.00[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR][TABLE="width: 100%"] [TR] [TD="width: 50%, align: left"]209 2013 [I]BLOWING ROCK CHARITY II (Owner at the Competition: BETSEE PARKER)[/I][/TD] [TD="align: right"][B]Start Date of Comp:[/B] 7/30/2013 [B]State:[/B] NC, [B]Zone:[/B] 3[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
  • Division: 3-FOOT 3 PRE-GREEN HUNTER
  • Rating: C
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#44

Where was Casanova in 2012 or in 2011? How did he get all that ability to begin showing this year at 3-6"?

And of course, unrated shows don’t count…I’m not criticizing how the hunter division is policed or what the rules are–just wondering how it is that we have settled into this comfortable pattern of it being business as usual to go a head and show horses with (apparently much) more experience than was originally intended in these classes.

Where did Casanova come from, prior to HT finding him? Where was Crisp originally imported from? These aren’t untraceable horses at the amounts they were likely sold for…is part of the price tag on these deals hush money?

What’s up with this? I think these are pretty fair questions to ask, even without digging deeper into why the rules are as they are.

#45

Back in the olden days we would always start horses out in the 3’6" classes at the rated shows. Who wanted to pay all that money for classes that didn’t count. DD has a horse that will only go to the recognized shows when he is ready to compete where the $$ is. Mileage can be put on him at less expensive venues!

#46

Here is the official word from the USEF- I emailed them for clarification:

[I]The pre-green rule states that the horse must have never competed over fences of 3’6" or higher. *Once a horse competes over fences at that height it becomes a Green horse and is NO longer eligible to compete in the pre-green section. *At that time, the horse must receive a green reinstatement in order to compete in the pre-green section once again, if eligible.

Please refer to the Pre-Green rules below.
3. Pre-Green - Unless USHJA Zone Committees submit their specifications by August 1st to the Federation, the following specifications will apply:
a. A Pre-Green Hunter is a horse of any age in his first or second year of showing over 3’ or 3’3" fences that has never competed over fences of 3’6" (1.07m) or higher. A horse that receives a 1st Year Green Reinstatement may return to Pre-Green if it is otherwise eligible.
b. A horse’s Pre-Green Status is not affected by showing as a three-year-old.
c. Classes may be divided by height section 3’ and 3’3". You may not show in both height sections at the same competition. Horses may compete in both height sections within the same competition year.
d. No jogging is required.
e. A horse’s pre-green status may be reinstated for a future competition year if it was not shown at the 3’ height or 3’3" height at more than four (4) competitions prior to September 1st and if it was not shown at that height after September 1st in the same year…

Thank you,
Natalie Norwood
National Breed/Discipline Affiliates Representative
United States Equestrian Federation[/I]

#47

[QUOTE=lockedoutalter;7128642]
Here is the official word from the USEF- I emailed them for clarification:

[I]The pre-green rule states that the horse must have never competed over fences of 3’6" or higher. *Once a horse competes over fences at that height it becomes a Green horse and is NO longer eligible to compete in the pre-green section. *At that time, the horse must receive a green reinstatement in order to compete in the pre-green section once again, if eligible.

Please refer to the Pre-Green rules below.
3. Pre-Green - Unless USHJA Zone Committees submit their specifications by August 1st to the Federation, the following specifications will apply:
a. A Pre-Green Hunter is a horse of any age in his first or second year of showing over 3’ or 3’3" fences that has never competed over fences of 3’6" (1.07m) or higher. A horse that receives a 1st Year Green Reinstatement may return to Pre-Green if it is otherwise eligible.
b. A horse’s Pre-Green Status is not affected by showing as a three-year-old.
c. Classes may be divided by height section 3’ and 3’3". You may not show in both height sections at the same competition. Horses may compete in both height sections within the same competition year.
d. No jogging is required.
e. A horse’s pre-green status may be reinstated for a future competition year if it was not shown at the 3’ height or 3’3" height at more than four (4) competitions prior to September 1st and if it was not shown at that height after September 1st in the same year…

Thank you,
Natalie Norwood
National Breed/Discipline Affiliates Representative
United States Equestrian Federation[/I][/QUOTE]

The bolding is mine - and this is MY question. What determines or what qualifies “if one is eligible?”

And IMHO - the European horse purchasing is often about price. The prices for American made is often unreasonable.

#48

Interesting, I always thought pregreen was a year-long eligibility thing. OP, did you reply asking for clarification on the horses that have shown 3’6 and did the pregreen final? (there’s quite a few of them)

#49

So there are at least two horses on this thread whose records start this year, presumably because they were imported and/or their names were changed, showed exactly 4 times at 3’6"+, and moved back down to qualify for this class. I can’t see any rules that were broken and it seems logical that people used the max of the rules to identify a goal for each horse. But if that’s not what the Pregreen incentive was designed to do, the governing body would certainly want to revisit. And I continue to be bummed about the org’s direction on these things.

#50

Now we have shamateur riders and shameligible horses. :rolleyes:

I love how they say “Breeding Not Recorded” instead of the old way, “Breeding Unknown”. Even the USEF is complicit in the sham Euro horses. :rolleyes:

And WHEN did the reinstatement rules change? The last time I had a 1st year horse who really did need to be reinstated (He had only shown about 6 times as a pre-greenie and then had to go 1st year, where he scared himself and needed to move back down to get his confidence, but I missed the cutoff for requesting reinstatement, so he was SOL.) Back then the reinstatement rule said that, for a horse to be reinstated: (1.) It must be in its second year of showing (i.e. one pregreen year before moving up), (2.) It cannot have shown more than 3 times at the higher level, and all 3 times had to have occurred before March 31st. (3.) AND the request for reinstatement must be submitted before May 1st.

That was a reasonable rule, when 90% of the horses were OTTB’s, so their entire show record was on file with the USEF. And it was mainly meant for horses who got hurt in the early spring.

This was before the proliferation of the 3’ and 3’3" divisions, so now a young horse who needs to do more classes at the lower levels has divisions to go in.
The saddest part of all this is that the foxes are guarding the hen houses. No one has any reason to tighten the rules up, since they may well need to take advantage of the loopholes the next year.

I think that Hunters should take a page out of the Young Jumpers book: Separate the young horses by age: 5 and under jump 3’, 6 and 7 jump 3’3" (AND those horses must never have been shows at a height higher then 3"3". If a horse is imported from Europe and has actually never shown before the age of 8 (LOLOLOLOLOLOL), then he can spend time learning his trade in the 3’3" performance division. But he should not automatically be considered a pre-green horse.

The whole concept of Pre-green is outdated If there is to be a series of classes for young hunters with a Championship which requires qualifying, then call them what they are: YOUNG HORSES. And the truly young (4 and 5) should show against each other.
Yes, I know, this will not preclude people from putting down a horse’s age incorrectly, but it will help curb some of the cheating, which has 8 year old horses jumping against 4 year olds.

#51

I agree.

#52

In fairness, they didn’t change Cassanova’s name, and his breeding is listed. You can look up his young horse auction records. http://issuu.com/dutchsporthorsesales/docs/dshs_a5_boekje_2012_web

#53

Do you think because of the PG Incentive there will be plenty of horses that should move up that end up doing two full years in PG?

I could say yes. But I could also say no as there is more $$ selling a 1st year horse then a PG horse

#54

Lord Helpus - that rule changed a couple of years back. I think it had something to with horses that start showing later in the year - if you don’t do Florida you’re so far behind that they needed somewhere to fall back to. Little ridiculous - by May you either know whether the horse is going to do the division or not.

I do think we need to look at doing something by age, but that leaves an issue with horses like mine… She’s a 6 year old this year and just started baby-greens because I started her late on purpose, and then she had a year off due to some unexpected changes in the plans. I didn’t anticipate her being a 6-year old baby green, but she’s moving up rapidly and could start the pre-green’s any day now. (And actually probably will only do the rest of this year at 3’ and then keep moving up next year, but that’s a different story.) So if we had classes by age, she would have had to start her show career at 3’3’ possibly - would that be fair to her against other horses that had done 4 and 5-year old years? Not that I personally care, but I think there is a problem with system either way.

What I do have an issue with is the horse that first appeared in the results in July, showed in the 1st years and Regulars 3 weeks with championships and reserves, then the next week is in the pre-greens, qualifies for the pre-green championship and is 3rd at the finals. How did they get the paperwork to go through so quickly for the reinstatement? July 17 showing in the 1st years and July 24th showing in the Pre-greens? I’ve never seen the USEF work that fast on anything !! But then again, I’m a no-name…

#55

This is an excellent point. Perhaps to qualify for the PG Incentive there needs to be a cut-off date. There was some obvious horses that were Pre-greens and others that were not so much.

I don’t have a PG horse as he did his PG time a couple of years before all this so its not about me. :slight_smile:

#56

I don’t think an age restriction for hunters is the answer, especially if people are trying to promote the thoroughbred as a legitimate contender.

Some thoroughbreds might not come off the track until they are four or five or six, and they need some time and some miles before they can be expected to step into the show ring and march right around in style.

#57

MHM - totally agree with your post - I wrote an organizer of the Pre Green Incentive program that age would NOT be the pathway for just the same reasons YOU mentioned - if we want as many do to bring back TBs many will not be “youngsters”

Crisp was just imported btw - who knows what he did in Europe - and sold at BR horse show

#58

[QUOTE=lockedoutalter;7128642]
Here is the official word from the USEF- I emailed them for clarification:

[I]The pre-green rule states that the horse must have never competed over fences of 3’6" or higher. *Once a horse competes over fences at that height it becomes a Green horse and is NO longer eligible to compete in the pre-green section. *At that time, the horse must receive a green reinstatement in order to compete in the pre-green section once again, if eligible.

[/I][/QUOTE]Thank you. At least my reading comprehension is OK.

#59

[QUOTE=Tackpud;7128896]
I do think we need to look at doing something by age, but that leaves an issue with horses like mine… She’s a 6 year old this year and just started baby-greens because I started her late on purpose, and then she had a year off due to some unexpected changes in the plans. I didn’t anticipate her being a 6-year old baby green, but she’s moving up rapidly and could start the pre-green’s any day now. (And actually probably will only do the rest of this year at 3’ and then keep moving up next year, but that’s a different story.) So if we had classes by age, she would have had to start her show career at 3’3’ possibly - would that be fair to her against other horses that had done 4 and 5-year old years? Not that I personally care, but I think there is a problem with system either way.[/QUOTE]

First, congrats on your girl moving up so nicely.

I think age wouldn’t be much of a solution especially if someone wants to take their time with a horse… One of my horses situations is I imported him as a 5 year old and he had NO jumping experience or have his lead changes. Pretty much sat in a field and ate grass. It took a while for him to get acclimated and is 6 years old doing baby greens. Maybe next year, probably later in the year he may move up to pre-greens. I have high hopes for him as long as he is able; so I am really glad I don’t have any age restriction to worry about. Some horses progress faster than others and it’s never on our time, it’s on theirs.

I do think they should be more specific on what constitutes the green reinstatement and have a very narrow window for that as well as have strict requirements for show records. I know they have strict requirements for money paid to them. :wink:

#60

Anyone recognize this horse lol. It’s our pre green champion

So it sold for 180k as posted in the link I am providing. We need to see his show record as I seriously doubt that anyone pays that for a prospect that has not shown. Most horses in this auction have competed in the young jumper classes. I would like to see the show record as I am sick of fake pre green horses. I could rant but click the link and maybe someone here can find the record and if deserved hold them accountable.

http://www.dutchhorsesales.com/paarden/paard_61

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