Qualified for young jumper championships forwarding to USEF
Hope I’m wrong but currently I say busted
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http://youtu.be/MdZYcOry7ms
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Looks like the same horse to me. Same front white little sock and star is the same. But doesn’t the horse have to have been competing at 3’6"? Or maybe the rules are competing at 3’6" in the US???
5 yr olds compete at 1.15m to 1.20m that’s 3’9 to 3’11
So if it is the same horse and did qualify it was jumping big enough that it is not a pre green. Also no the rule is not in the U.S or you could just drive down from Canada and have at it with your 2nd year horse in the pre greens
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5 yr olds compete at 1.15m to 1.20m that’s 3’9 to 3’11
So if it is the same horse and did qualify it was jumping big enough that it is not a pre green. Also no the rule is not in the U.S or you could just drive down from Canada and have at it with your 2nd year horse in the pre greens[/QUOTE]
For a horse to Qualify for the 2012 Dutch Championship Young Jumping Horse they must compete at 3’9" to 3’11" and this IS in fact the same horse… this is NOT fair to the “real” Pre Green horses and the trainer is a bone head.
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For a horse to Qualify for the 2012 Dutch Championship Young Jumping Horse they must compete at 3’9" to 3’11" and this IS in fact the same horse… this is NOT fair to the “real” Pre Green horses and the trainer is a bone head.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn’t the horse have been 4 in 2012? So only doing the 4 year olds which is 1m-1.10m. Does that mean its ok if its under 1.10m?
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Wouldn’t the horse have been 4 in 2012? So only doing the 4 year olds which is 1m-1.10m. Does that mean its ok if its under 1.10m?[/QUOTE]
Sorry I wasn’t clear…
I was asking a question if to Qualify for this Championship the horse must actually compete? I don’t know the answer to that. The reason I ask is - if the Pre green rule is a horse cannot competed over 3’6" and this horse had to compete at 1.00 to 1.10 which I believe is like 3’ 7" ish then he would not qualify to be a US Pre-green horse.
I am not privy to what height in Europe they jump the 4 year olds at in a Qualifying Championship Young Jumping horse competition or if it is actually a competition.
And my guess is if the horse did compete under 3’6" they would qualify to be a US Pre Green horse.
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I was asking a question if to Qualify for this Championship the horse must actually compete. I don’t know the answer to that. The reason I ask is - if the Pre green rule is a horse cannot competed over 3’6" and this horse had to compete at 1.00 to 1.10 which I believe is like 3’ 7" ish then he would not qualify to be a US Pre-green horse.
I am not privy to what height in Europe they jump the 4 year olds at in a Qualifying Championship Young Jumping horse competition or if it is actually a competition.
And my guess is if the horse did compete under 3’6" they would qualify to be a US Pre Green horse.[/QUOTE]
From what I’ve seen at qualifying competitions they are probably under 1.10m. I watched a big class in Ireland and it was at the end of the year and looked to be under 1.10m. The classes at smaller shows I saw were definitely more like .95-1m. So the horse very possibly hasn’t jumped 1.10m in competition
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From what I’ve seen at qualifying competitions they are probably under 1.10m. I watched a big class in Ireland and it was at the end of the year and looked to be under 1.10m. The classes at smaller shows I saw were definitely more like .95-1m. So the horse very possibly hasn’t jumped 1.10m in competition[/QUOTE]
Yes, thanks. That makes sense and was what I was asking.
Is the competition separated by age? Do 4 year olds jump the same height as the rest? Do they have to compete to qualify or just register and pay a fee, say like Hunter Futurity? And do we know that the horse even competed in the Young Jumper Finals? My guess he didn’t as he may have been purchased by Douglas who I don’t see at the jumper ring too often 
And ya know, I don’t think we need to hold it against a horse as a 4 year old that may have competed at 1 m. I’m sure it didn’t get dragged around to 20 horse shows as people do here in the US. Frankly, they don’t ever jump lower than that across the pond. They don’t understand the point of our 2’6" divisions LOL. I think this is a bit like our old Hunter Futurity. They get them ready for that competition, they show there and that is it. In fact I recall that there was an exemption here that if a horse did the Futurity it did not break its Pre Green year. Kinda the same thing imo.
Hello 2007 = 5 in 2012 so it competed above 3’6
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Is the competition separated by age? Do 4 year olds jump the same height as the rest? Do they have to compete to qualify or just register and pay a fee, say like Hunter Futurity? And do we know that the horse even competed in the Young Jumper Finals? My guess he didn’t as he may have been purchased by Douglas who I don’t see at the jumper ring too often ;-)[/QUOTE]
See, that’s what I was thinking it may just have been a fee but not sure. I have owned a horse that was “nominated” for the HJF and a x race horse that had Breeders Cup Qualifying papers and I understood those were purchased and he didn’t “earn” them 
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Depending when it was bought as a 5 yr old its possible it hadn’t competed above 1.10m But you’re right 5 yr old definitely jump 1.20 so to have qualified for the young horse championships it would definitely have shown over 1.10m
(I’ve been at a horse show all week and am obviously a little sleep deprived!)
Did it in fact show as a 5 yr old? What time of year was the sale where it was purchased?
Casanova was born in 2007, therefore 5 in 2012. I just looked up the qualifying criteria for the Dutch Young jumper championships, and it requires 5 year old to have jumped at the 1.20 level and earned a certain number of points at that level. Don’t understand the point system exactly…but the height is very clear. 1.20 is just shy of 4 foot.
Sad part is this is why so many passports and registration papers go “missing”. These people got caught, and it will suggest to them to make the name and identity go away next time. Yet another horse with pedigree not recorded!!
In my opinion this is also why shopping in Europe is still so very popular. We breed super horse in North America, but they are much easier to trace. BNTs would rather do business with a bit more privacy. This horse was sold at public auction, but most aren’t. Buying in private in a foreign country makes it very easy to make that horse a little younger and greener.
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I’m quite sure to have qualified for the 5 year old championships it would have to have shown as a 5 year old. However theoretically if you bought a 5 year old in the beginning of the year it might be ok to go pre green.
The video of Casanova is a sales video, nothing more. Furthermore having been to a few young horse auctions, no matter how outlandish it may seem, pass around some champagne, mix in buyers with means and egos and you never know who is going to pay what for a youngster that could very likely never yet seen a show ring.
BTW I don’t know when Crisp was imported but he showed in Ocala this year - in the Pre Green.
if the limit is 4 shows and he did 3 here and showed there to qualify he has exceeded his 4 show limit. Lets not give them any more loop holes.
It says very clearly in the sales catalogue that he qualfied for the Dutch Young horse jumper championships, that means he HAS to have competed at the 1.20 level.
I had no problem getting on the Dutch Horse Sales link that you posted just now. Do you really think they much care about this? Sold is sold LOL.
Did it in fact show as a 5 yr old? What time of year was the sale where it was purchased?
It clearly says he qualified for the young jumper championships. Please read the entire thread before asking questions as this has been covered already
