(except i spelled it wrong lol) schaukel
Or effectively the swing
The link I shared just a few posts ago starts as this rider is doing her brief bit of riding before they ring her bell to begin. The youtube starts right there.
but you sound more German calling it Schaukel
Ahh zo!
halt at X: DIrect from collected canter, slightly unbalanced in halt, front legs too close, hind legs a bit wide, DIrect to trot, powerful steps at the start.
Reinback: direct from trot, square, correct steps, and correct strike off into trot. nothing not to like, did not drop poll in RB as so many do, struck off directly into diagonal trot steps
I’ll have to look again to see the left-right difference; will also have to watch again to see the lack of fluidity in strike off as I thought it was nice. Thanks for educating me, I know you have much more experience than I do .
Let me put it this way. Would you be interested in a reiner’s POV for training the reinback? Andrea Fappani is a 6 million dollar winner.
The video starts at the right spot for this example:
Its still a 7.5 or 8 in my book, im just picking nits. And having the horse right in front of you vs a video off to the side is a bit different. - id like to know the judges scores from their different boxes.
I’m not going to train my horse to do that, but for the purposes of a discussion, sure. It’s interesting. If I want instruction on how to do a correct, dressage rein back, I’ll go schedule a lesson with my trainer. Everything on CoTH is to be taken with a grain of salt.
And there’s the rub with dressage. The better you get at it, the harder it gets. So while your halt from a medium walk or collected walk might be great, it’s a lot harder doing it from collected trot or collected canter. Same with coming in and out of the rein back. Are you maintaining the levels of activity, uphill balance and connection you need in a First Level test or GP test?
People tend to underestimate just how difficult each basic movement gets at each level - not even the figures but the gaits. Sitting a GP trot feels nothing like sitting a Training Level trot.
It’s a little more complex than “Elite riders don’t understand how important it is to practice the rein back”
This is incorrect. The saying is. Practice makes permanent. Practice incorrectly and you will end up incorrectly.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
I agree that it is interesting as a topic over a beverage of choice. I enjoy his podcasts and appreciate his knowledge and experience.
I disagree that it would be interesting as a suggestion to practice that way in a thread about tension in the reinback at the GP level.
Thanks for sharing! I appreciate it
The idea that GP riders are not practicing rein back is laughable.
And while I can’t speak to others programs anyone is welcome to come watch me ride and train (I’m in northern Nj) and not only will you see rein back but most horses do turn on the forehand almost daily (not all horses do rein back daily for a variety of reasons specific to each horses personality, but some do) regardless of levels… most are bored watching because basics and transitions are mostly what I ride. Most common warmup with trot/canter canter/trot transitions on a circle for the FEI horses. We are not sitting around riding tricks all day; quite the opposite; if we want our horses to stay sound.
This^ (and I speak as someone who regularly watches GP riders train, not as someone who will ever ride at that level lol)
I think this is a great post and nails it. Simply said, the RB is a test of submission and because of this, will affect submission scores. Any anxiety will manifest in the RB. It is also a ”nonbrilliance” movement meaning that any horse can perform it with good training.
I think it’s interesting that some posters are proposing that the GP’s RB not be discussed unless riding at GP. The RB was introduced decades ago at second level and above. Thankfully, we don’t have to worry about Schaukel anymore. Regardless, I think it’s somewhat dangerous to limit certain conversations to only those riding at a certain level. How does an aspiring rider learn about a movement if they aren’t permitted to discuss it until they are riding that specific level? How does one adequately prepare for that movement and know what is needed to perform it sufficiently? How do we position the building blocks if we are only thinking in the moment?
It reminds me of something one of my trainers would say (who himself was a GP rider with a lifetime of qualifications): you are the level of the horse you are riding. I’m currently pregnant, not riding at the moment and ate half a pumpkin pie today. But when I was riding a GP horse, was I then a GP rider? When I was riding a intermediate horse, was I then an intermediate rider? It’s an interesting concept. I’m currently a no level, pumpkin pie eating rider but I have a lot of knowledge and experience. Perhaps someone is riding a fourth level horse but their experience and education as a whole allows them to be able to make valuable observations and contributions at other levels.
Goals!
I had to quote bc you made me giggle so hard with this line
Late to the game and maybe it was covered, but there was a reason that reinback was REINTRODUCED to GP over a decade ago. It came up during the Anky era when horses were heavily rollkured and even GP horses could be on the forehand (more so than in the last few years). Reinback was a way of showing submission as well as proper connection and use of the haunches.
Riding a GP horse in reinback is much more complicated that riding a lower level horse that does not know piafe or passage. The signals can be confusing.
I am totally not surprised that a scribe would see poor reinbacks at GP. Anyone who thinks all GP riders walk on water, must be blind.