That syndicate has 8 trainers that must be desperate to try to make a name for themselves in order to take that deal. The purses that they run for really are not much especially after the money is divided, the owner takes his share and pays his syndicate owners, doesn’t leave much for the trainer to pay all of the bills.
I’m surprised anyone takes that deal or sticks around.
Maybe the partnership should change its name. “Back to the Drawing Board Racing” is a catchy attention getter.
The partnership previously associated for a long time with Jacobson. Should have made her wonder…
And, yes, they need to pay their own bills. This isn’t the only partnership that tries to be involved without having to pay for their horses, to come up with the change they owe every month. All so they can say “I own a racehorse!!”
Not really.
So they don’t pay day money, just purses?
I couldn’t help but think that here is a wonderfully talented G1 champion horse, with a great name and superior abilities that inspire anyone who has ever seen him, and the talk historically continues about the problems current and former human connections have or had.
Lord only knows what would have been written in the press and blogs, if the extra-marital affair between Penny Chenery and Lucien Laurien had been revealed prior to Big Red’s 73 derby year. Poor Secretariat would have been mostly regulated to the back of conversations about whether Lucien used a condom and whether Canadian Bacon enhances orgasm.
Actually what was more interesting, (from a moral standpoint) was how Penny Chenery ignored the Vietnam War entirely and had her whole world centered on horses when her children were at home (with their father) trying to awaken the deadened and sidetracked US population to what was really most important. I don’t think pornographic images are of much use to any reasonable discussion and only serves to prove that that is how some folks minds tends. Pretty common these days.
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Actually what was more interesting, (from a moral standpoint) was how Penny Chenery ignored the Vietnam War entirely and had her whole world centered on horses when her children were at home (with their father) trying to awaken the deadened and sidetracked US population to what was really most important. I don’t think pornographic images are of much use to any reasonable discussion and only serves to prove that that is how some folks minds tends. Pretty common these days.[/QUOTE]
As a combat wounded USMC Vietnam War veteran, I find your take on Penny Chenery very interesting. And so, what gives you the bully pulpit on Penny ignoring the war? Seems to me that she was falling in line with everyone else of that particular decade. Lots of Vietnam War veterans, like myself and John Shirreffs, remember the absence of a welcome home. I hardly think Penny consciously intended to sidetrack the public. History recalls that Big Red took all our minds off the cr@p.
You miss the light hearted point of the Canadian bacon romance analogy. No moral judgement was intended. In this crazy world, we’re darn lucky to find anyone who will love us, even if it is only over breakfast.
And the story continues: “Sick and Starving Horses Removed From a Farm Leased by Maria Borell’s Father”.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/farm_leased_by_father_of_maria_borell/
More details can be read here: https://www.usracing.com/news/analysis/shocking-untold-story-maria-borell
The horses always lose, and it makes me very, very angry…:mad:
There is no doubt that the moon is not in the right position for this young lady but if you carefully read the US racing story there is something amiss as the article apears to be based on no substantial evidence against Ms. Borel. This trainer Summerville hardly qualifies as a trainer as his stats are pretty sketchy and as far as the property owners assertions, local KY enforcement never charged her. Borel claims no current business relationship with her father.
There is no excuse for the treatment and neglect of these horses but where are KY officials? It is not like this is breaking news. Why isn’t the KY Racing Commission all over this? Every state racing commission should be looking at this. WV should be talking to this Ken Summerville. He witnessed what he says is neglect and abuse and didn’t report it?
The business model for trainers is not in favor of success. They charge in arrears, and have to foot the expenses for every horse in their care, then bill the owners at the end of the month, and then it may take another 30 days for the owners to pay. In the meantime, the horses are eating, training, being groomed, etc and the trainer has to stay current on bills he or she incurs. An owner with a couple or three horses who gets a couple months behind on bills can put a trainer $15,000 -$20,000 in the hole pretty quick.
This is no excuse for mistreatment or neglect, but most trainers don’t make a real good living. It’s a tough sport and a tough life and it’s tough to get ahead in it.
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There is no doubt that the moon is not in the right position for this young lady but if you carefully read the US racing story there is something amiss as the article apears to be based on no substantial evidence against Ms. Borel. This trainer Summerville hardly qualifies as a trainer as his stats are pretty sketchy and as far as the property owners assertions, local KY enforcement never charged her. Borel claims no current business relationship with her father.
There is no excuse for the treatment and neglect of these horses but where are KY officials? It is not like this is breaking news. Why isn’t the KY Racing Commission all over this? Every state racing commission should be looking at this. WV should be talking to this Ken Summerville. He witnessed what he says is neglect and abuse and didn’t report it?[/QUOTE]
Maria Borell had her fifteen minutes of fame last year and quickly became a media darling. Her story was written repeatedly in shallow, almost fairy tale, terms with Maria becoming Cinderella and McIngvale portrayed as the Big Bad Wolf. It’s amazing how many people jumped on the “Defend Maria” bandwagon with only limited knowledge of the facts.
Local people here who knew her–or knew of her–were shouted down when they dared to tell the truth (see earlier in this thread). Shammy, please feel free to dig deeper if you feel that something is amiss with this article. Despite your continuing championing of Maria, you probably will not like what you find.
As for the Kentucky Racing Commission, why would they “be all over this”? They have jurisdiction over racing and in that capacity they have not issued her a trainer’s license. That’s all that they can do and they have done it. That should tell you something.
In other Runhappy news, he has at least started to train again after basically refusing to do a thing for the last month!
LaurieB, when all this started didn’t Borel have a KY license?
I don’t necessarily disagree with any of your comments. Any state she holds a license in needs to take a look at her, but not fully on the basis of the us racing article you posted.
As a journeyman I volunteered thousands of hours to local rescue facilities and no one is more appalled at horse abuse and neglect than I. Every horse I have owned is a rescue. That being said, I am wary of how this Runhappy theater has played itself out. Your bias is apparent also. You may well be right about Borel, but it is my feeling that the accusers maybe worst sorts than the accused. I find that troublesome. When you look out on your manicured paddocks that are depicted on your website remember that yours are the exception not the rule for horsemen across the USA. It is not uncommon in training centers and tracks across this nation to see or experience sights that are uncomfortable. It is the nature of the industry. Maybe it is you that needs to dig deeper. If Borel is responsible for any of these accusations, I won’t bat an eye to her expulsion from the industry.
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LaurieB, when all this started didn’t Borel have a KY license?
I don’t necessarily disagree with any of your comments. Any state she holds a license in needs to take a look at her, but not fully on the basis of the us racing article you posted.
As a journeyman I volunteered thousands of hours to local rescue facilities and no one is more appalled at horse abuse and neglect than I. Every horse I have owned is a rescue. That being said, I am wary of how this Runhappy theater has played itself out. Your bias is apparent also. You may well be right about Borel, but it is my feeling that the accusers maybe worst sorts than the accused. I find that troublesome. When you look out on your manicured paddocks that are depicted on your website remember that yours are the exception not the rule for horsemen across the USA. It is not uncommon in training centers and tracks across this nation to see or experience sights that are uncomfortable. It is the nature of the industry. Maybe it is you that needs to dig deeper. If Borel is responsible for any of these accusations, I won’t bat an eye to her expulsion from the industry.[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure what manicured paddocks you might have seen on my website as I haven’t posted any pictures there. As for your your implication that I am out of touch with how real horses live and how real horsemen behave, I assume you pulled that out of thin air? I am not aware that we have ever met.
You are certainly very firm in your continuing defense of Maria Borell (even though you cannot spell her name). So I will leave you to your enjoyment of your strong opinions with one last thought. Between you and me, I’m reasonably sure that only one of us knows Maria, has watched her train horses for more than a year, and has seen the horses she left behind.
You don’t need to bother responding. Based on your internet wisdom and your viewing of someone’s pretty pictures, I’m sure you still think that I need to dig deeper. I disagree.
The horse business is practically an oxymoron, and lines like, “you want to make a million in the horse business? Start with 2…” aren’t just jokes, they are the truth.
Because it is so hard to make a buck, horses suffer. People tend to consider themselves first, and Borel is just another one of these people. I am not quite sure how you can view that article, with several references to situations where she had the responsibility for horses, and failed them- miserably- and not see what is going on.
It is easy to get in over your head, and believe that the next one will bail you out, but that generally isn’t the truth.
The successful professionals that I know in the industry who also have their own stock, either have very deep pockets to start with, clients with deep pockets, or, they’ve been so successful that they actually have money to use on their own stock. But, the majority simply do not own horses on their own.
They are very expensive to keep, you know. :yes:
I kind of do feel bad for Maria in that many of her photos from BC day have her Spanx protruding slightly below the hem of her dress.
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. . . You are certainly very firm in your continuing defense of Maria Borell (even though you cannot spell her name). . . Between you and me, I’m reasonably sure that only one of us knows Maria, has watched her train horses for more than a year, and has seen the horses she left behind.
You don’t need to bother responding. Based on your internet wisdom and your viewing of someone’s pretty pictures, I’m sure you still think that I need to dig deeper. I disagree.[/QUOTE]
Oh please give me a break. You claim to have seen Maria train for a year or so and you can’t respond to whether she was licensed in KY. You saw all this neglect and abuse and the bad shape she left her horses and you ignored it? Are you listening to yourself?
I don’t need to bother responding? Oh, please give me another break. Get real. If spelling is my only problem I am in good shape compared to what you just posted.
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I don’t need to bother responding? Oh, please give me another break. Get real. If spelling is my only problem I am in good shape compared to what you just posted.[/QUOTE]
You’re right. That was a dumb thing for me to say. I forgot you always have to have the last word.
I also disagree Shammy. And I was one to give her the benefit of the doubt at first. Knew of McIngvale’s flipping trainers beforehand. Then the DAS split - didn’t think much of partnerships that don’t pay cash calls.
But, this piece has a lot of believable consistency. She may be in over her head, but there is no excuse for her leaving the horses and the properties she’s leased in such deplorable condition. One after another after another worker has come forward with very consistent stories, and no one is paid. No feed. No overview of stable conditions. What about the condition of the stalls? Of the horses?!? She won’t even pick up a pitchfork herself?
If she can’t afford to do it right now, she should stop - which she may well be forced to do - why the other states haven’t redacted her licenses when KY did…?
The article in US Racing rings very, very true.
And I don’t think you’re glimmerglass as some others have suggested in the past. I don’t recall his being like a dog with a bone in his threads - just informative. Although you do seem to get a bit more confrontational as the day draws to a close…
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