[QUOTE=MintHillFarm;8285618]
Disgusting. That is animal abuse…[/QUOTE]
Let me start this post by saying I DO NOT CONDONE WITHER SHAVING. That said, I don’t see how it’s animal abuse. If it’s a surgery done by a vet under anesthesia, not much different than having a splint removed or tie back surgery done.
It’s some BS that a banned person is pointed out to a steward and the answer is to ignore the person’s presence at a USEF event. That is REALLY some BS.
[QUOTE=Nickelodian;8286342]
Let me start this post by saying I DO NOT CONDONE WITHER SHAVING. That said, I don’t see how it’s animal abuse. If it’s a surgery done by a vet under anesthesia, not much different than having a splint removed or tie back surgery done.[/QUOTE]
Ahhhh, but it is surgically altering the horses appearance and quite illegal. But I agree with you, far worse things are done and properly done surgery, whatever else it might be, is not in and of itself abuse.
I was in a big Pony barn for years and never saw any signs or heard any rumors that any of the many that went thru that barn over many years had it done. But I don’t doubt it has been done, just not very often and with great secrecy.
Findeight_ totally agree. One of the reasons these people get away with such actions is the fear of harm to horses and property. These kind of people do not care what they do to win.
[QUOTE=findeight;8286435]
Ahhhh, but it is surgically altering the horses appearance and quite illegal. But I agree with you, far worse things are done and properly done surgery, whatever else it might be, is not in and of itself abuse.
I was in a big Pony barn for years and never saw any signs or heard any rumors that any of the many that went thru that barn over many years had it done. But I don’t doubt it has been done, just not very often and with great secrecy.[/QUOTE]
I used the tie back analogy because I personally have done one tie back and one ventriculectomy because the horse made a sound and it was a hunter. Somewhat “cosmetic” as well, and I’d do it again.
[QUOTE=vxf111;8286348]
It’s some BS that a banned person is pointed out to a steward and the answer is to ignore the person’s presence at a USEF event. That is REALLY some BS.[/QUOTE]
And that we all pay this person’s salary to do his job - really frustrating. I think I might of taken their name and reported to a superior
[QUOTE=Ponytoes;8286548]
And that we all pay this person’s salary to do his job - really frustrating. I think I might of taken their name and reported to a superior[/QUOTE]
Stewards don’t get “salaries”. They are paid by the day by show management, so I am not sure what you mean by “we all pay this person’s salary”. Also not sure what you mean by “a superior”.
You could complain to show management, or you could fill in a “MEMBER’S CONFIDENTIAL EVALUATION of USEF Judges, Stewards, Technical Delegates, and Course Designers”
https://www.usef.org/documents/competitions/LicOffEvaluation.pdf
[QUOTE=Janet;8286865]
Stewards don’t get “salaries”. They are paid by the day by show management, so I am not sure what you mean by “we all pay this person’s salary”. Also not sure what you mean by “a superior”.
You could complain to show management, or you could fill in a “MEMBER’S CONFIDENTIAL EVALUATION of USEF Judges, Stewards, Technical Delegates, and Course Designers”
https://www.usef.org/documents/competitions/LicOffEvaluation.pdf[/QUOTE]
Janet, you and your facts never let anyone have any fun. 
[QUOTE=Janet;8286865]
Stewards don’t get “salaries”. They are paid by the day by show management, so I am not sure what you mean by “we all pay this person’s salary”. Also not sure what you mean by “a superior”.
You could complain to show management, or you could fill in a “MEMBER’S CONFIDENTIAL EVALUATION of USEF Judges, Stewards, Technical Delegates, and Course Designers”
https://www.usef.org/documents/competitions/LicOffEvaluation.pdf[/QUOTE]
Ok - not paid by Usef - but paid by show management - so that would still be “us” cause we fund them. A superior would be someone - I guess show management and would start there - so would love your thoughts on this situation
[QUOTE=findeight;8286151]
These people would deliberately throw a class if the testers showed up and they made it public the winner or top 3 or whatever would be tested. Or never leave the barn with a “sore foot” if they knew far enough out the testers were on the property.
Theres enough classes out there with no testers it’s no problem for them to scratch one or deliberately screw one up and glibly lie about what happened.
Most have no idea just how ruthless the real bad eggs can be and make the mistake of assuming they even care about horse welfare or rules let alone have any morals or ethics. What would deter most normal people is a joke and nuisance to them. Only going after the owners that keep them in business and possibly getting them to pull the plug is going to really change the game for those people.[/QUOTE]
Okay then I am going to create a breathalizer that detects drugs in horses… ha ha!!! And use it before they walk in the arena. That would be cool. Okay someone design an easier way to drug test!!!
[QUOTE=Janet;8286865]
Stewards don’t get “salaries”. They are paid by the day by show management, so I am not sure what you mean by “we all pay this person’s salary”. Also not sure what you mean by “a superior”.
You could complain to show management, or you could fill in a “MEMBER’S CONFIDENTIAL EVALUATION of USEF Judges, Stewards, Technical Delegates, and Course Designers”
https://www.usef.org/documents/competitions/LicOffEvaluation.pdf[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the clarification - did not realize how this worked. But still extremely frustrating for a steward to act in such a manor
[QUOTE=ynl063w;8286917]
Janet, you and your facts never let anyone have any fun. :D[/QUOTE]
Sorry :winkgrin:
I am not a big player on social media but I have been following the posts made by one of the accused and to say I am appalled is an understatement. First of all, you are a professional in this industry, act like one. Second; you gave your horses a supplement to alter their mood to better your chances at a blue ribbon at a competition, that is called cheating no matter how you’d like to look at it. What surprises me even more is the amount of BNT’s and Professionals who are agreeing with, “liking” and sharing these posts. There is no excuse for doping your horse for a competition. Yes, we all have young horses who can act up now and again when presented with new life situations but being the professionals that you are; you’d think that you could bring a horse through those situations correctly and in a positive manner; without the use of behavior altering drugs in the show arena. The sad thing is that the only reason people are raising a stink over this is because these people were caught red handed and they happen to be the big names in the business. In One case the accused claims to have found an old, un-opened box of supplements in the barn and decided to try them on the horses to see if it worked. These supplements were intended to calm the behavior of a horse but no work was put forth into researching what you were giving your horses before you fed it? First, shame on them for not looking into it prior to feeding and Second, you fed a doping supplement to your horse to alter the behavior in order to win; the reiterates my opening statement above. The funny thing is one of the accused, not once, but TWICE got caught at two separate shows within 3 months of each other (WHY WERE THEY NOT BANNED AFTER THE FIRST TIME?). I guess I am finding it hard to believe who these crews of professionals who get caught do not see this as cheating in every sense of the word. The only thing they see wrong with the scenario is they got caught.
When something like this happens, I think the trainer, the rider, the horse and possibly the owner should all be suspended for a period of time. That’s the only way we will see change.
[QUOTE=snaffle1987;8287120]
The funny thing is one of the accused, not once, but TWICE got caught at two separate shows within 3 months of each other (WHY WERE THEY NOT BANNED AFTER THE FIRST TIME?).[/QUOTE]
That part is easy.
At the time they collected the sample at the second show, the results from the sample at the first show had not yet been released. Let alone been through a hearing.
Lol…should have seen people making tracks fast and which kids suddenly came back up to the ring on different horses at HITS Culpeper this weekend when the three ladies who were drug testing showed up at the rings where the children’s medal/junior medals etc were going on. There was more than one scratch/horse change.
:no:Oh no! And I just saw him in the Dover Catalog!
[QUOTE=alittlegray;8289918]
Lol…should have seen people making tracks fast and which kids suddenly came back up to the ring on different horses at HITS Culpeper this weekend when the three ladies who were drug testing showed up at the rings where the children’s medal/junior medals etc were going on. There was more than one scratch/horse change.[/QUOTE]
That’s just disgusting. Not only are the adult pros cheating, but the kids they are cheating for know about it. How is this ever going to get better?
[QUOTE=alittlegray;8289918]
Lol…should have seen people making tracks fast and which kids suddenly came back up to the ring on different horses at HITS Culpeper this weekend when the three ladies who were drug testing showed up at the rings where the children’s medal/junior medals etc were going on. There was more than one scratch/horse change.[/QUOTE]
I see that a lot too, what a coincidence. But usually they switch horses or scratch before the testers even get out of their cars, must have inside info somehow I suppose.
and…now a European poster on FB has noted that their 8!!! yr old jumper they sold is qualified for the 6yr old YJC class finals…sigh…
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