Sidebar, Your Honor

[trubandloki]

BTW, it is nice to be able to have a conversation about this.

[Angela_Freda]

Indeed

[Mersidoats]

DON’T JINX IT!

But yes, it is. I, too, wonder about the “tapes.” How many times have I said, “I’m going to kill her/him” in a moment of frustration or anger? Language is complex, and we often say things in a metaphorical sense to express our emotions. The quote about how MB would “bash LK’s head in” - was said to a child. How was it prompted? What was the context? Was she attempting to placate a child’s fear? Was the child expressing fear that MHG or MB was going to get hurt? What was the tone in which it was said? It strikes me that (if it was even what she said) it was not meant as threat to LK, but as a clumsy attempt to tell the child that he/she was going to be protected by MB, as a way to soothe fear or anger.

[Knights_Mom]

I completely agree with these posts. Expressions to murdalize are commonly said in frustration by just about everyone.

[trubandloki]

Oh, learned a new word. Murdalize.

[MHM]

@Mersidoats

The quote about how MB would “bash LK’s head in”

What was the source of that quote?

[MHM]

@trubandloki

thankfully he does not understand English.

Are you sure? Maybe you hurt his feelings. Lol.

[trubandloki]

@MHM

@trubandloki

thankfully he does not understand English.

Are you sure? Maybe you hurt his feelings. Lol.

Laugh. Maybe that was why he was being so needy all evening. If he was out, he wanted in, if he was in he wanted out.
Probably making me prove my endless love for him because I hurt his feelings.

I used my happy voice as I said how annoyed I was…

[Mersidoats]

@Inigo-montoya

She made a bad choice in discussing how to inflict physical harm on LK in front of her minor child and allowing said child to suggest “he’d bash LK’s head in.”

From the other thread. Not sure who “he’d” refers to here - MB, or the child.

[Knights_Mom]

Yeah I use murdalize to differentiate between a mindless utterance and the real deal.

[Mersidoats]

I figured it was either from the Three Stooges or Bugs Bunny.

[Knights_Mom]

@Mersidoats

I figured it was either from the Three Stooges or Bugs Bunny.

Ha! You must know me!!

[MHM]

@Mersidoats

@Inigo-montoya

She made a bad choice in discussing how to inflict physical harm on LK in front of her minor child and allowing said child to suggest “he’d bash LK’s head in.”

From the other thread. Not sure who “he’d” refers to here - MB, or the child.

Yes, but who claimed the kid made that statement?

[Mersidoats]

This came from Inigo_Montoya, who may be referencing some or the “tapes”. It could also be complete fol-de-rol, based solely in rumor, hearsay, and paranoia. Nothing was offered to substantiate this allegation.

[MorganSercu]

@trubandloki

If he was out, he wanted in, if he was in he wanted out.

Door wish. We play that ALL THE TIME and it drives me nuts.

[MHM]

@Mersidoats

This came from Inigo_Montoya,

Well, most of Inigo Montoya’s information seemed to come from LK, so…

[MHM]

Two words. Dog door.

[Sdel]

The same questions about tone and context would apply to the comments about the officers responses and thought about the “documents” MB wanted signed. She leads into relating that exchange with her having asked if a release from liability to allow him to kill her……and it seems to me that was a question designed to suggest to the officer something nefarious about a standard liability release we have all routinely signed in order to ride on someone else’s property. She even refers to the fact that much of the document was posted on a sign by the barn, but throw in a few adjectives and describe the paper as horrifying the police and suggesting MB was mad because he was “caught” in some horrid plan and to some it can easily paint a different picture.

That same kind of speech pattern/leading/innuendo works for threats as well. It might not look like a threat to an outsider, written down, or without seeing the accompanying nonverbal behavior, but I can assure you, it can make a person very uncomfortable and feel in danger if they are constantly subjected to it.

It is likely the same story for the idea that the BI & FM said she could stay. Remember she also said she wasn’t home at the time because RC tried to “break in”. RC was supposedly only supposed to leave a list of the “violations”. Based on the smoke and mirrors on all the other situations, it is possible that they didn’t get an actual sign off about staying but decided based on the wording of the document left that if they “fixed it” that meant they could stay when the BI & FM meant it had to be fixed and inspected by properly licensed individuals before it could be re-inhabited.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@TBKite

My personal favourite hypothetical scenario is that after CPS showed up he decided he was going to end the situation by ordering LK off the property at gunpoint (no, I do not think this was wise or rational). I think she instead got in his face, threatened him, got on the phone with her lawyer etc, and he got so agitated and angry he fired (no, I don’t think this was justified).

That’s it. I don’t think he planned squat, I don’t think she physically threatened him to make it true self defense, I think his particular brand of mental health and personality problems met her mental health and personality problems along with indifferent but not technically negligent LE, and with a handgun available, and this train wreck was the result.

As I recall, the gun charge is “unlawful use of a firearm”. I’m guessing that pointing a gun at someone and ordering them off your property at gun point would be an unlawful use of a firearm.

Possibly the DA charged him with that so that if the attempted murder charge fails, because he successfully argues your scenario, they can still get him on “unlawful use of a firearm.”

How was the second gun charge worded?

Even he didn’t go over there planning to kill her, and just lost his temper in the moment, by shooting her I’d think he was still demonstrating intent, so still attempted murder.

[TBKite]

I agree my scenario still probably qualifies as attempted murder. I’m just saying what I think could have happened, not arguing for a particular verdict.