Sigh - more designer breeds

[S1969]

@trainer_Xalter

That almost never happens because there’s two sides to every story and the dog world is hella political.

I think if a breeder is so concerned with controlling the destiny of every animal they put on the ground, they probably should only breed animals they will keep forever and ever themselves. And that’s ok, to each his own, but this whole continued lifetime of control by a breeder/limited ownership rights on dogs is nuts to me.

Are you at all involved with purebred dog clubs and/or purebred breeders?

Your post reads as if you are not, and have no idea what we’re talking about. But, perhaps I’m wrong.

My breed club is fewer than 2000 total members in the US and Canada. Not that there are not other breeders, of course, but most (not all) of the long-term reputable breeders are members. Meaning those that have old bloodlines, compete in various dog sports, and are nationally known/recognized for their breeding programs.

It’s a small community. Very small. The pros - I could probably hook you up with a top quality puppy in about 24 hours because I know breeders across the country. The network would work fast. I could probably get you an older puppy or adult, or even started gun dog. For sure I could find you someone who could help you find someone.

The cons - people know people. Yes, there are two sides to every story, but rehoming a dog without contacting the breeder? Almost no excuse for that one. You would be questioned, and unless the breeder is known to be a shitty breeder, the members would pretty much close ranks around them. (As they should.) If you buy from a shitty breeder - that’s on you. You’re kind of an idiot, so you would get different treatment; usually an effort to bring you in and educate you about why you should look for a good breeder next time.

Placing dogs properly in appropriate and vetted homes is not the same as “continued lifetime of control.”

[DMK]

that does have an n=1 feel, as posts go…

My n>1 butnotbymuch is the exact opposite, albeit not in canines. One very popular breed of cat, but also one you are not likely to get one that meets the breed standard (BIG) unless you get one from a good breeder and a horse breed that is very uncommon and in high demand.

In every case there is no way they are interested in keeping all the offspring for themselves. They both have high demand for any animals they produce and waiting lists because they are not indiscriminate in their breeding from a financial perspective, meaning they don’t want to produce too many offspring because markets can turn and then as reputable breeders they are stuck holding the bag. It’s EXPENSIVE to do it correctly AND ethically. It’s super easy to overbreed and dump if things go poorly, but to do it responsibly, the only way to do it and not lose your shirt (different from making oogles of $$$) is to breed less quantity than the demand, so if the market shifts, you aren’t screwed. This gives an ethical breeder the bandwidth to do right by those offspring that need medical attention and/or free placement, or take back individuals for whatever reason.

So if you are like me, you are on a waiting list for over 18 months for one of those big fluffy cats and I’ve worked with this breeder for 15 years! But I was still 10th on a list and I had some specific requirements.

But that’s just my experience, which like I said, is still a pretty small sample size.

[IdahoRider]

They can be a handful and a lot of buyers are families with young [quote=“beowulf, post:77, topic:769326”]
For sure. I wouldn’t breed “doodle” anything but I do understand why they’re popular. They are so forgiving of handler cluelessness.
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Not all of them are. They are hugely popular in my area and I have seen many in the various classes I take my GSD to.

Some of these Doodles are ridiculously defensive and will redirect on anyone when given a fair correction.
Sheilah

[FrittSkritt]

Honestly, I don’t see the allure of -doodles. Labradoodles look like a lab with a bad perm, cheap toupee, and hipster facial hair. They’re not all that cute… yep, kill me know, I don’t care.

[S1969]

@FrittSkritt

Honestly, I don’t see the allure of -doodles. Labradoodles look like a lab with a bad perm, cheap toupee, and hipster facial hair. They’re not all that cute… yep, kill me know, I don’t care.

LOL. I like the hipster facial hair comment. Very accurate.

I think a lot of them are adorable. But not necessarily better than any other existing breed. My new SO has a doodly mix of some sort from a “rescue” (don’t know the details but would not be surprised to find out it wasn’t really a rescue.) If I had to guess I might say Maltese x Poodle…it was not given a special name, or if it had - he forgot because that’s not his thing. It is a cute little dog with absolutely no purpose in life other than to adore him - either sit on his lap and gaze lovingly at him, or lay in his bed and snuggle.

Luxating patellas though, so even at only 5 he has to be exercised with some care. And a little overwhelmed with other dogs, things (bikes, kids, skateboards) but that could be just exposure/training (although he has been to training and is out and about daily)…so maybe just temperament.

But seriously, for a typical family - what’s not to like about that dog?

The main issue for me is that a) he was likely bred (not accidentally) and likely no health testing…and someone probably paid real money for him AND then he was rehomed/rescued for (likely) another fee;

b) he is not any “better” or more healthy than either a Maltese or a Poodle. And both of those breeds would be non-shedding anyway. So…what was the point of the cross?

[yaya]

Glad I read this thread. Was considering a doodle cross puppy for a hot minute (yes, the cute got me!), but not anymore. Especially glad to hear about the grooming requirements - not for me!!

[swmorse]

@S1969. I think they’re called MaltiPoos. I remember hearing that name years ago

[S1969]

Oh, yes I agree that is what it would be called if that’s what it is. I just don’t know. And the SO might not have cared or remembered if they did tell him. He just calls it “some kind of doodle mix”.

It could be just about anything. About 25 lbs, white with black skin/nose. Big eyes. Not particularly distinctive. It might be doodle x doodle.

[DownYonder]

The reasons why someone may think they want a MaltiPoo - can’t have a Maltese because they want something that doesn’t shed, can’t have a Poodle because they have to be groomed. So perfect solution - a Maltipoo. And yes, I am being facetious.

[chestnutmarebeware]

If I try to picture a Maltese/poodle combo in my mind, all I see is something resembling a bichon! So there’s a third purebred option…

[swmorse]

A maltiPooBichon?

[DMK]

You have to know it’s been tried…

The other day there was a confab of mostly doodles at my neighbor’s yard (I’ve just figured out that the doodles have displaced the LWDs, aka little white dogs in the neighborhood). I went over with my corgi to be neighborly. One lady was describing her … Whoodle… A Wheaten terrier x poodle (as if you would know if it wasn’t, they all look mostly the same). Her comment was “I just loved the doodles, they’re so intelligent” and then proceeded to talk about all the behavioral and social issues the dog had. All I could think was why not get a Wheaten? Or a poodle? At least a Wheaten from a reputable breeder stand a chance of being a decent representative of the breed, but I’d bet money this dog’s Wheaten parent was anything but that and just as likely to not actually be a full Wheaten.

[swmorse]

Oh a WHOODLE. how extraordinary

[chestnutmarebeware]

Now I’d be up for a Bitchen’Poo!

[Mara]

A vet I used to use called Bichons “bitchin’ frizzies”. No malice intended, as they really are the sweetest, happiest little dogs.

[DownYonder]

Hubby just informed me that he saw a news item that polar bears and grizzly bears are moving into each other’s territory and mating to produce seriously ferocious “man-eaters.”

And someone on a forum somewhere suggested that somebody ought to start calling them “Bear Doodles” and sell them. They would probably sell like hotcakes to those who just can’t resist a “doodle” of any variety.

Edited to say that the suggested name was “Doodle-Bears.”

[DownYonder]

@DMK

The other day there was a confab of mostly doodles at my neighbor’s yard (I’ve just figured out that the doodles have displaced the LWDs, aka little white dogs in the neighborhood). I went over with my corgi to be neighborly. One lady was describing her … Whoodle… A Wheaten terrier x poodle (as if you would know if it wasn’t, they all look mostly the same). Her comment was “I just loved the doodles, they’re so intelligent” and then proceeded to talk about all the behavioral and social issues the dog had. All I could think was why not get a Wheaten? Or a poodle? At least a Wheaten from a reputable breeder stand a chance of being a decent representative of the breed, but I’d bet money this dog’s Wheaten parent was anything but that and just as likely to not actually be a full Wheaten.

[swmorse]

The saint berdoodle

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdvu219J/?k=1

[FrittSkritt]

@S1969

The main issue for me is that a) he was likely bred (not accidentally) and likely no health testing…and someone probably paid real money for him AND then he was rehomed/rescued for (likely) another fee;

b) he is not any “better” or more healthy than either a Maltese or a Poodle. And both of those breeds would be non-shedding anyway. So…what was the point of the cross?

I honestly think it’s because slapping a “doodle” suffix on the end makes them worth money. Doodle = hypoallergenic to people, even if it’s already crossed with a hypoallergenic breed.

It’s all very funny to me, because up until 15-20ish years ago, they were just known as mutts.

As an aside, I can only pray that a poodle x dachshund cross doesn’t become popular. Wiener dogs are already prolific where I live with owners who have zero idea what sort of health problems they’re in for. Plus they’re all aggressive little s**ts.

[DownYonder]

@swmorse

The saint berdoodle

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdvu219J/?k=1

For those who don’t think a Bernese Mountain Dog or Standard Poodle isn’t big enough?

Edited: Bernese not Burmese. I swear sometimes my brain isn’t connected to my fingers.