Oh by the way I think you meant pharmaceutical:lol::lol:
A typo! Champagne comedy. Hereās another funny one from ridgeback:
āI guess your right you thing your right about everythingā
That should be āyouāreā and āthinkā.
:lol::lol:
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As for the dirty little secret I was using sarcasm.[/QUOTE]
Goeslikestink says: arh then your dirty little secret is out
sacasm is the lowest form of wit- and constipation is the hardest form of s%$$
therenow everyone knows[/QUOTE]
Well I wasnāt trying to be witty so I guess youāre incorrect again.
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A typo! Champagne comedy. Hereās another funny one from ridgeback:
āI guess your right you thing your right about everythingā
That should be āyouāreā and āthinkā.
:lol::lol:;)[/QUOTE]
I guess I canāt multitask. Get a life Egontoast.
Yāall still chewinā on this carcass?
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Yāall still chewinā on this carcass?[/QUOTE]
OMG SLC I love ya for making me laughā¦Coming from you this is priceless.
If yāall are doing this 'cause youāre hung over, you musta started drinking a long, long time ago.
Yāall still chewinā on this carcass?
Apparently so although it is very silly to say the least!
Happy new Year Slc!
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If yāall are doing this 'cause youāre hung over, you musta started drinking a long, long time ago.[/QUOTE]
Nope donāt drink but Iām still laughing at the irony of you saying this. Happy New Year SLC I hope 2010 brings you an abundance of health and wealth:D
Oh yes discussing the mental and physical well-being of horses is a very silly subject. LOL We can all agree to disagree this New Yearās Day!
Oh yes discussing the mental and physical well-being of horses is a very silly subject.
Nice try at twisting everyoneās words but what is silly is the confusion perpetuated by the OP who cannot decide what the thread is about . :lol:
Unfortunately, unlike the show about nothing, thereās not a lot of funny on this thread.
OP seems like a bitter unhappy person. I sincerely hope 2010 finds you something to be joyful about.
Iām quite happy because the cupboards are full and we are having a beautiful snowstorm!
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Iām not sure why you have to own a multimillion dollar horse in order to know what basic requirements belong to horse-husbandry. I would think a lifetime of breeding, training and 5.5 years of vet school plus 6 years in practice might matter more than a deep pocket lol.
This comment is kind of revealing. If it puts your mind at rest I have owned a few six-figure horses in the past albeit not for very long as I make a living breeding and selling. I am luckily with the few percent of horse people who actually make a profit and I am extremely grateful for being able to do for a living what others pay for to do in their free time. There are a number of horses from my breeding programme which have been and still are competing at the highest level in more than one discipline and I am happy to say their owners did not only have the pockets to acquire these horses but are also good horsepeople so these horses continue to maintain the standard of husbandry theyāve been used to where they were born.
So there is no need to delay this discussion BTW Where is the multimillion dollar horse you personally have produced to participate in this debate? As far as I can tell from your site all you did was to sell a 2yo that went on to win in Kentucky and you apparently want your horses to call you āmomā? Iām sorry but the drama award is on you there as far as I can see passing flowers
I also have to disagree about the comment Pommederue made about always finding something wrong with .
I find something wrong in putting success over everything else and the course dressage as a sport has taken over the last 10-15 years. You will have a hard time finding me unsubstantiatedly picking on a successful rider for the benefit of taking their achievements apart. I am by far not interested enough in colored fabric and plastic to have such āmeritsā influence my opinion about someoneās training methods being acceptable or not.
Good and bad horsemanship are everywhere but like I said there was a huge difference in the public reaction to Bill C.'s intern-affair and all the ones that might go on within your neighborhood simply because nobody pays attention to these people beside their own circle. Much the same with high exposure competitorās but I guess you arenāt really interested in factual arguments as long as you can defent your dream of dressage riding against those who deal with the reality of ruined horses day in day outā¦
Iām sorry if I sound negative but I do find it difficult to believe some of the posters up here are honestly interested in horses. Many seem much to preoccupied with their personal interests to even care about how things could be changed for the better. Sport has a lot more to do with egos nowadays than with the original sportive virtues such as fairness, self-discipline and team spirit. I feel those need a drastic increase. Now Iām not going to ruin my New Yearās day with any Zickenterror (one of the few words I deem worth exporting from my first language lol)
PS There are a few leading dressage riders in the world who I appreciate a lot on both the technical and the human level. Trouble is they donāt stir half the attention the bad guys do hence there seldom is so much ādramaā (thank you Siegi) around them and little talk about what they do. Such is life. Happy New Year[/QUOTE]
Excellent posts Kareen right on target and on topic:D
I donāt agree that someone must be bitter and unhappy because of their posts on a horse BB disagreeing with someone elseās or their being persistent on some horse topic.
I think everyone can agree that it is better if horses can be turned out, the more the better.
I think everyone can also agree that not all competitive horses are turned out routinely during their competitive years.
Then it goes all to hell, :lol:
I donāt agree that someone must be bitter and unhappy because of their posts on a horse BB disagreeing with someone elseās or their being persistent on some horse topic.
Thereās more to it than that but we wouldnāt want to get off the non topic. 
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I donāt agree that someone must be bitter and unhappy because of their posts on a horse BB disagreeing with someone elseās or their being persistent on some horse topic.
I think everyone can agree that it is better if horses can be turned out, the more the better.
I think everyone can also agree that not all competitive horses are turned out routinely during their competitive years.
Then it goes all to hell, :lol:[/QUOTE]
Well said slc:)
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Nice try at twisting everyoneās words but what is silly is the confusion perpetuated by the OP who cannot decide what the thread is about . :lol:
Unfortunately, unlike the show about nothing, thereās not a lot of funny on this thread.
OP seems like a bitter unhappy person. I sincerely hope 2010 finds you something to be joyful about.
Iām quite happy because the cupboards are full and we are having a beautiful snowstorm! :)[/QUOTE]
This is uncalled for and I do think there is someone bitter and unhappy but in this case it is not ridgeback. Iāve read this entire thread and there sure has been twisting of words but again Ridgeback is not doing it. Everyone needs to agree to disagree. So you are trying to get this thread shut down. LOL
Hope you have a very Happy New Year as well.
From a Buddhist perspective, it is incorrect to always assume that we know what is best.
Ok, so is sarcasm the dirty little secret of dressage?
If so, it is a poorly kept secret.
Who here thinks horses are not evolved to be grazers and think it is physiologically better that the horse only gets hand walking?
Who here thinks that horses so nutty they canāt be turned out are mentally healthy horses?
Who here thinks that horses prefer to be stalled rather than turned out, because they know they cost so much (not including those cases where horses have learned to be stalled their whole lives)?
Who here thinks that these top horses are not FULLY insured for injury or loss due to competition or turnout injury?
I accept that people do not turn out horses for fear of injury, but lets not pretend this is in the best interest of the horse as opposed to the owner. I know of very very few horses who truly dislike turnout (usually due to bug allergies).
I donāt believe anyone here thinks that horses arenāt better off with turn-out, or that most horses prefer their stalls to turn-out OR that anyone here is saying Totilas is āso nuttyā he canāt be turned out. (Did I miss that?)
Itās the decision of the owners/managers of the individual horse, though, and none of our business. And thatās the gist of my argument. Perhaps the owners/managers of certain horses are more risk-averse than others. What can you do? Itās not your horse.
Hand walking is better than nothing. At least the horse gets out for a nice stroll, spends time with its handler, gets to see the sights. At weekend horse shows, thatās all our horses get, in between classes.
Hand grazing is better than nothing, and when our grass-growing season is over, or in drought conditions, hand grazing is about as good as it gets for some horses in Colorado (for instance).
I will say that, on very cold days, or very ābuggyā summer days, the horses where I board are often quite eager to get back to their cozy stalls. Naturally, by the next morning, they are just as eager to go out again, evidently forgetting that only yesterday they were miserable.
I think the ideal situation is one where horses can come and go from their shelters as they please. That doesnāt suit everyone, though.
My suggestion? Buy Totilas. Deal with it yourself. See how far you get.
