According to a trainer to whom money is owed by GFF, there is a lien on the property and an arrest warrant out for its owner who has missed two court dates at last count. More than one of the original breeders of the GFF band of broodmares is concerned about the stock.
It would take a genius to reinvent oneself under the circumstances but I would not be surprised to see that done. My own issues with GFF are happily behind me though I have money owed to me as well for bad checks drawn by her.
can I volunteer for one of those mares if they wind up needing homes??? 
WOW… I know that folks get themselves in a bind sometimes etc… maybe she over did it with her breeding operation etc…
But being slammed on a public forum is pretty rough, especially some of the comments I have seen on here.
This may be one of the larger or largest forums but it is not the end all be all of breeding and experiences.
I once again will state so far I have not had any issues.
But my foal is also not a Redwine foal.
I didn’t have any trouble either and I adore my Redwine foal but just because she didn’t screw me directly doesn’t mean I am going to give her a pass on what she has done to others. What she did to Diane alone was enough to get her permanently on my (%$&# list but unfortunately that is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s one thing to be a bad business person, heck I am probably guilty of being that. But there isn’t a warrant out for my arrest and multiple charges pending.
EquineLVR, people come on this particular forum for breeding advice and to delve into all aspects of the breeding business. Running a stallion station is a business. This is a stallion owner who has purchased at least one mare bred by another breeder and in foal at the time of purchase. After the foal was born, the GFF owner, according to what the real breeder of that foal told me, listed herself as the breeder.
That is just one of numerous acts of fraud that I have either experienced or been made aware of by other victims. Fraud is fraud. However, one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law in the U.S. Caveat emptor.
I personally would not support Jill or her business. She has warrants in Virginia and California for bad business in her horse dealings. It is public record. It’s on Google.
There are a multitude of stallion owners - don’t give me an excuse she has too many phone calls - who have many & MORE stallions that can accomodate the customer that are much better & proven producers. And they can also pay the bills they have.
I am happy people are happy with their foals from Jill and her farm. THAT IS THE ONLY SAVING GRACE.
personally will never support this kind of business practice. There are more ethical people out there. I will support them.
And for the record, I am a breeder, but no longer stand a stallion to the public.
Trying to discuss GFF on this board sure brings out the “posse” of devotees!
I respectively ask how many have
A. Seen the “farm”?
B. Seen the stallions advertised perform? In person
C. Delved into the trail of unpaid bills now spanning many years?
Circling the wagons does disservice to serious breeders who actually follow rules, stand by their offspring/mares/ contracts/ dues … and don’t falsely advertise a VA like homestead!
What is discouraging to serious breeders is that glitzy advertising masks a seriously flawed program.
Blessed be your GFF offspring - I do hope you have wonderful horses and that the mares that you bred are as super as LP’s wonderful TB mare - will definitely make a difference.
But when 4 out of the only 11 nominated horses (according to the IHF websire) are in the IHF - you THINK the IHF isn’t going to bend over backwards ?
:no::no::no:
I sad the same thing to someone yesterday. 
I assume they will all have to be auctioned off at some point if the Gray Fox Farms drama gets any worse. :no:
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But when 4 out of the only 11 nominated horses (according to the IHF websire) are in the IHF - you THINK the IHF isn’t going to bend over backwards ?
:no::no::no:[/QUOTE]
Can you explain that statement. Last time I looked the IHF list of nominated horses only went to 2008 so how would you know how many are IHF nominated? What four out of what eleven?
3 Dogs, I drive by there everyday to go see my horses… They are kept right across the street. I don’t think I should say anymore then that… for now.
Obviously everyone’s experience is their own, I can only speak to mine. I got semen when needed and had a beautiful Aloha filly to show for it,and plan on breeding the same mare to Aloha again this year and my JTB mare to Redwine I also purchased my own mare from Jill 8 years ago and love her to death
I guess I felt the need to post when I see people trying to devalue these stallions. You are never guaranteed anything when you breed, but half the fun is in trying to come up with a cross you think will produce something spectacular. And I agree with Breaking_News that it really can’t be all the mare,one of my broodmares was gorgeous and a great mover but could not jump for squat. All her babies are spectacular jumpers and did not get that from her
and like others I have never cared about papers,if I have them great fine if not I’m happy I have a lovely horse (with a bill of sale
[QUOTE=Kmsuds;6111287]
Obviously everyone’s experience is their own, I can only speak to mine. I got semen when needed and had a beautiful Aloha filly to show for it,and plan on breeding the same mare to Aloha again this year and my JTB mare to Redwine I also purchased my own mare from Jill 8 years ago and love her to death
I guess I felt the need to post when I see people trying to devalue these stallions. You are never guaranteed anything when you breed, but half the fun is in trying to come up with a cross you think will produce something spectacular. And I agree with Breaking_News that it really can’t be all the mare,one of my broodmares was gorgeous and a great mover but could not jump for squat. All her babies are spectacular jumpers and did not get that from her
and like others I have never cared about papers,if I have them great fine if not I’m happy I have a lovely horse (with a bill of sale ;)[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe that anyone here is trying to “devalue” the stallions. However, it is obvious that the owner has some issues and I don’t see how anyone can deny it; it is a matter of public record!
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I don’t believe that anyone here is trying to “devalue” the stallions. However, it is obvious that the owner has some issues and I don’t see how anyone can deny it; it is a matter of public record![/QUOTE]
Hillside, if you glance back you can see what I am referring to. Where the success of Redwine’s offspring should be attributed simply to the mare,That’s what I was trying to express in my post. Not trying to deny anyone’s issue.
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EquineLVR, people come on this particular forum for breeding advice and to delve into all aspects of the breeding business. Running a stallion station is a business. This is a stallion owner who has purchased at least one mare bred by another breeder and in foal at the time of purchase. After the foal was born, the GFF owner, according to what the real breeder of that foal told me, listed herself as the breeder.
That is just one of numerous acts of fraud that I have either experienced or been made aware of by other victims. Fraud is fraud. However, one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law in the U.S. Caveat emptor.[/QUOTE]
Perfectly stated Diane! And I also agree with Justbay1! :yes::yes:
Quite simply…IMHO… The perception is extremely poor for GFF & Jill Burnell. I have no doubt the breeders here who have bred to one of “the Stallions” standing at GFF have very nice horses. BUT, I am afraid it will take something short of a miracle for this negative stigma to go away, and more importantly, the detrimental fallout will undoubtedly effect all the breeders/owners who chose to do business with GFF & JB by no fault of their own. :eek:
We need to support these owners/breeders and keep our eye on the prize ~ They are North American bred horses with lots of potential!
Somewhere down the road having registration papers dutifully transferred from owner to owner to owner can make quite a difference to a well-bred but unsound mare. It may be the difference between spending the remainder of the mare’s life in a pasture producing nice foals or a frightening trip in an overcrowded stock trailer to an auction and slaughterhouse.
Well I have not spent my time purusing the internet looking for all GFF’s issues…
However I find it sad for her and sad for the horses whether its all true or not.
GFF has lots of nice mares and her stallions are lovely in my opinion - especially Fred and RS. Although I have loved what Redwine has produced even though he is not your typically bred hunter.
If things are going south I am sure they can all find good homes and not find their way to an auction.
I myself would take any number of them as others have stated.
I hope for everyones sake, GFF and the horses that there is a happy outcome here somewhere.
AMEN! Dianehalpin. You hit it right on the head with respect to mares and their future.
Oh the stories I could tell! I often wonder why it is that GFF is the one that causes so much controversy. There are many California breeders who people would be shocked to see the conditions and the physical problems of the horses because of poor nutrition and management. My shopping adventures were very eye opening and I am now scared to buy a CA bred horse because of it.
Why GFF while so many not only get a pass, but in some cases are on these forums from time to time, they and their stallions mentioned positively? I guess GFF just happened to screw over the wrong person!
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There are many California breeders who people would be shocked to see the conditions and the physical problems of the horses because of poor nutrition and management. [/QUOTE]
You “visited” a farm and were able to ascertain “physical problems” in the horses due to “poor nutrition” … REALLY…?
Sorry, but when you see young horses standing around on dry lots with poor hay, dull eyes, dull coats and dragging limbs…well YES. What would be your assumption? Either poor nutrition or parasites right? Nutrition or management.
It’s a real problem here in CA whether people like it or not.
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