Credit where Credit is Due
Since this issue was raised…
For the record…I am the breeder of the 2010 Aloha filly Accessorized - out of my Grande Saber daughter Grande Divina. I"m grateful to know she was sold.
I bred to Aloha in his first year at stud. Give credit where credit is due…breeders take the risk and make decisions others never make.
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ps.Hoping to hear from buyer “Laurie in Virgina”.
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Well I drove past there after my lesson. Pretty sad. Worst part is not only are there way too many horses standing around on a dry lot with no shelter, a few poor horses that look like yearlings are baking in the nearly 70 degree weather in turnout blankets.
This surrounded by thousands of acres of grassy farmland.
Perfect Pony, isn’t it possible that the youngsters were in sheets, not turnout blankets?
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Perfect Pony, isn’t it possible that the youngsters were in sheets, not turnout blankets?[/QUOTE]
Sure, turnout sheets or blakets. Not sure if either is all that great standing in the sun in 70 degrees? My car says it 73.
Whatever the case the place looks like you would expect with too many horses standing around in dirt pens. California horsekeeping, but certainly not what I would think is okay for a breeding operation or for broodmares and foals. I suppose some may disagree.
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Sure, turnout sheets or blakets. Not sure if either is all that great standing in the sun in 70 degrees? My car says it 73.
Whatever the case the place looks like you would expect with too many horses standing around in dirt pens. California horsekeeping, but certainly not what I would think is okay for a breeding operation or for broodmares and foals. I suppose some may disagree.[/QUOTE]
ok 1st VERY jelous of the 73!! You are a tease!! That being said…GOOD FOR YOU!! It takes many people to stand against the coming storm…I will stand with you!!!
Perfect Pony, not to belabor the point, but it’s been up to 70 degrees up and down the East Coast the past week and most of the short-haired or clipped horses ARE in sheets, and plenty prefer to leave shade and stand in the sun. Just don’t make accusations without knowing exactly the facts.
I’m certainly not going to defend but I’m not going to criticize either. I can just say I have had exceptional service from Jill Burnell. I have an absolutely gorgeous registered and branded filly by Federalist out of an Epic Win TB mare who I would love to keep if at all possible (must see how finances go, offered for sale just in case) that at her AHS inspection the judges commented on how much she looked like her famous Grandfather For Pleasure. No issues getting any paperwork or semen etc…
Next year (which was last year, 2011) I had a horror story happen and lost a Red Wine filly out of my Anhaltiner E (Absatz-Fruhlingsball) NF Amayzing. Since I had live cameras, I was bashed horribly as myself, several volunteers and two vet clinics attempted to save said filly. I was bashed on this board because all THEY saw was what the camera showed and absolutely nothing out of it’s view. So not only did I have to deal with such a terrible loss I got to hear on this very board what a terrible person I was and look at the poor foal suffering and how dare I breed if I can’t afford to help etc… etc… with absolutely NONE of this CRAP being true. We spent way over what many would have trying to save this filly and even brought her inside our house as a last ditch effort. Jill was so understanding and even though the filly was born alive (very premature and mare had severe placentitis) and nursed, she still allowed me to breed back at no additional cost. I hope all goes well, my Red Wine foal out of NF Amayzing is due in just a couple months.
So, even though I don’t excuse anyone from going out of their way to screw anyone over, I wonder how truly calculated she was or is this just yet another horrible situation grown out of our limping economy. I for one will not judge because many of the people in this very thread went out of their way to wrongly judge me and throw salt in my wounds and it is something I will never get over. Nothing like being kicked when you are down. This is a rare visit by me to COTH since I rarely visit here anymore due to my situation. There are many armchair quarterbacks on these threads so beware to all that post here. It is not always a friendly group. Many want your blood since it makes for interesting reading. What’s that old saying, “you can’t believe everything you read on the internet” I’m living proof.
Below are 2 pics of my Federalist Hanoverian filly, Forever LJS.
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Perfect Pony, not to belabor the point, but it’s been up to 70 degrees up and down the East Coast the past week and most of the short-haired or clipped horses ARE in sheets, and plenty prefer to leave shade and stand in the sun. Just don’t make accusations without knowing exactly the facts.[/QUOTE]
It is a fact. Youn horses standing in the 70 degree sun in turnouts with no access to shade. I wot even go into the small pen several broodmares were standing in. I cannot imagine the place in the rain or heat of summer.
But this is CA where horses live like this. I’m sure some see nothing wrong with it.
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ahhh …you must have the one from the mare I bred , related to my stallion ;)[/QUOTE]
indeed i do 
you are welcome to come see him anytime!
he is absoultely stunning. you will be proud!
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Perfect Pony, not to belabor the point, but it’s been up to 70 degrees up and down the East Coast the past week and most of the short-haired or clipped horses ARE in sheets, and plenty prefer to leave shade and stand in the sun. Just don’t make accusations without knowing exactly the facts.[/QUOTE]
The point is THERE IS NO SHADE they are in small dirt pens with no shelter no shade and far to many mares per paddock. Not good horse husbandry. We are not talking about tidy mare motels or dirt paddocks with plenty of shade and appropriate numbers of animals.
Whether they had sheets on or blankets is just another card in deck.
Ahhh man I’ve just finished reading all these threads, I knew something couldn’t be right as last year I attempted to contact her via every means possible (outside of flying out there) with no luck AT ALL.
I still have a breeding to use up on one of her stallions. Attempted to breed to redwine in 2010 with SUCCESS for one of the 2 mares. My mare ovulated to quickly so she missed, and I wasn’t able to re bred to no fault of GFF. However I tried and tried and tried to make contact with her last spring but never had any luck. It was also a bad year and that in turn pushed me to hold off last year. I would still like to use the breeding I have possibly in 2013 who knows maybe she’ll have her act pulled together a bit more by then, but I suppose I won’t hold my breath. 
Thanks Hackinaround. The point is very important that horses SHOULD HAVE a choice to go into a structure out of the sun. This especially applies to young horses that can dehydrate quickly.
I also feel that some people who have had semen shipped to them by this stallion owner - seem to want to ignore the current horse management situation that exists at her farm. I personally wouldn’t PAY someone to breed to their stallions if I knew horses at that farm were not receiving the care that I feel is required. Just a simple matter of principle.
Wow, and it continues on and on…my mom was from the south and had very little formal education (just to 7th grade) because as the oldest she had to quit school to help her mother take care of the other 5 kids when her dad died. She may not of been the most “book smart” individual but I try very hard to live by a few sayings she use to use over and over again.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
If you can’t say something nice about someone then say nothing at all.
Seems to me after reading so much on COTH that there are many who could benefit from my dear mother’s wisdom, RIP mom.
It amazes me how the same people give or take a few now and then seem to have so much time on their hands to get on COTH so much and deliver their “wisdom” and judgment publicly over and over again. If this was to truly HELP others by warning them etc… wouldn’t it be accomplished much better by directly PMing or emailing the OP. Obviously there are as many people on this thread that had good experiences as there that had bad yet they don’t make for a good read. Obviously something went terribly wrong at GFF and instead of trying to help or offer support so many are ready to crucify. Whatever happened to compassion, thoughtfulness, believing in the best and not the worse. I know absolutely nothing of what happened between Jill and those she wronged, but I guess I feel I shouldn’t, afterall it is of no business of mine and did not effect me in any way. Does that mean I excuse any bad or injust things that may have transpired? Absolutely not, but last I looked in the mirror I wasn’t God or for that matter I wasn’t even a judge and since I don’t know the WHOLE story of any of the cases involving Jill, I respectfully take the higher road and choose to believe in the best of people, even those who seem to get so much pleasure out of criticizing any and all.
Unless any of you were personally done wrong by Jill then it is none of your business because unless you were the fly on the wall with all parties involved and knew EVERYTHING that transpired between those involved then you are acting and speaking on only what was relayed to you. And as for pulling up cases, well being the wife of an attorney I can tell you that there are many people that have charges against them that you would be very surprised to find out. Plus one charge is reiterated into many lines in order to cover all bases whenever a charge is filed so for instance a case of shoplifting could be reported and the case file would have several lines basicly saying the same thing which i.e.appears to the uneducated in law that there are sever charges not just the one reiterated over and over to cover all info.
Lastly, I once was told that people that continually trash others usually are unhappy with themselves in some way. So I truly hope those who end up finding themselves in many forum threads continually saying negatives and rarely saying anything positive may actually need to reevalute their own lives. Are you so much better that you must point out others flaws? Have you never done anything wrong yourself? How would you feel to be pubicly bashed on forums? How do you think it would effect your business? And if you ever did anything wrong, corrected your mistake, apologized or made good etc. etc… would you deserve a second chance? And if you think you deserved a second chance, would it be fair that others were out there still criticizing, still passing judgement, while you struggled to get back on the right track?
I would love to see these forums be educational like many threads are, last I looked I was an adult and I choose to act like one, I wish others would too and save the catty behavior while having tea with their best friend and keep it off the internet. Now that I’m done writing my book I have to go back out and work with my horses and pray to God that someone doesn’t see the rain rot on one of my mares and blast me as a horrible horse owner over the internet.
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Wow, and it continues on and on…my mom was from the south and had very little formal education (just to 7th grade) because as the oldest she had to quit school to help her mother take care of the other 5 kids when her dad died. She may not of been the most “book smart” individual but I try very hard to live by a few sayings she use to use over and over again.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
If you can’t say something nice about someone then say nothing at all.
Seems to me after reading so much on COTH that there are many who could benefit from my dear mother’s wisdom, RIP mom.
It amazes me how the same people give or take a few now and then seem to have so much time on their hands to get on COTH so much and deliver their “wisdom” and judgment publicly over and over again. If this was to truly HELP others by warning them etc… wouldn’t it be accomplished much better by directly PMing or emailing the OP. Obviously there are as many people on this thread that had good experiences as there that had bad yet they don’t make for a good read. Obviously something went terribly wrong at GFF and instead of trying to help or offer support so many are ready to crucify. Whatever happened to compassion, thoughtfulness, believing in the best and not the worse. I know absolutely nothing of what happened between Jill and those she wronged, but I guess I feel I shouldn’t, afterall it is of no business of mine and did not effect me in any way. Does that mean I excuse any bad or injust things that may have transpired? Absolutely not, but last I looked in the mirror I wasn’t God or for that matter I wasn’t even a judge and since I don’t know the WHOLE story of any of the cases involving Jill, I respectfully take the higher road and choose to believe in the best of people, even those who seem to get so much pleasure out of criticizing any and all.
Unless any of you were personally done wrong by Jill then it is none of your business because unless you were the fly on the wall with all parties involved and knew EVERYTHING that transpired between those involved then you are acting and speaking on only what was relayed to you. And as for pulling up cases, well being the wife of an attorney I can tell you that there are many people that have charges against them that you would be very surprised to find out. Plus one charge is reiterated into many lines in order to cover all bases whenever a charge is filed so for instance a case of shoplifting could be reported and the case file would have several lines basicly saying the same thing which i.e.appears to the uneducated in law that there are sever charges not just the one reiterated over and over to cover all info.
Lastly, I once was told that people that continually trash others usually are unhappy with themselves in some way. So I truly hope those who end up finding themselves in many forum threads continually saying negatives and rarely saying anything positive may actually need to reevalute their own lives. Are you so much better that you must point out others flaws? Have you never done anything wrong yourself? How would you feel to be pubicly bashed on forums? How do you think it would effect your business? And if you ever did anything wrong, corrected your mistake, apologized or made good etc. etc… would you deserve a second chance? And if you think you deserved a second chance, would it be fair that others were out there still criticizing, still passing judgement, while you struggled to get back on the right track?
I would love to see these forums be educational like many threads are, last I looked I was an adult and I choose to act like one, I wish others would too and save the catty behavior while having tea with their best friend and keep it off the internet. Now that I’m done writing my book I have to go back out and work with my horses and pray to God that someone doesn’t see the rain rot on one of my mares and blast me as a horrible horse owner over the internet.[/QUOTE]
THIS!
Well I’m not unhappy in my life. I’m sure lots of things could be better but hey I have what I need and am happy with that. As well as the fact I can get out of bed everyday too.
Being wronged and losing money doesn’t mean your unhappy with your life. It means you are truly pissed off that someone took your hard earned money and decided to not give a crap about customer service. And I think it’s been said many times that if Jill apologised to people she’s wronged and made right on her end of the deal, we wouldn’t have this thread. Everyone on here at one time or another has probably had issues in which they needed to right. Probably embarrassing and something none of us would want to do. But as an adult that is what you have to do. People don’t mind working with that.
If this were an isolated incident again this wouldn’t be a thread. But when you have multiple incidents, thanks for the warning. To each his own but I also think it’s unfair to judge a person who has been wronged with a simplistic viewpoint that at heart all of us know is true. Your mom is right. I just don’t blame the people who have been wronged for lashing out.
Terri
LSJ, I am so happy that you have had great experiences with GFF. But as someone looking at stallions, yes I want to know there is a potential for so many issues. Breeding is an expensive endeavor, and the last thing anyone needs is to get screwed by a stallion owner, especially one known for it.
You could write it off as “She’s so busy” or “she needs an accountant”… These issues have been going on for years, she has had time to rectify it and she has not. If she did not do business the way she did, there would not be threads like this. If she stopped doing business this way, her reputation would eventually improve. But she JUST had issues with IHF, issues caused by her, which she spun into their error… But it wasn’t their fault her dues were not paid.
There are many threads where people bully people, or crucify them for nothing (for example, I’m not familiar with the thread on your foal… But I am sorry for your loss, it must have been awful.)… I don’t think this is one of them.
Always good to be forewarned but another almost 150 posts seems a bit of overkill.
OK, I am going to speak to the IHF issue ONLY, as that is what I know FACTS about. The other issues only Jill and the people involved know and I am not speculating or discussing it, as it is not my business. But since I was actually involved in the IHF transaction and have seen the correspondance from Kathy since, I will straighten this one issue out.
I was actually on the phone with Jill in August of 2010 as she made a wire transfer to IHF for Redwine, Rabbit Ridge, and one other (Red Label?). The reason I am so sure of when it took place is that I was en route to CO for a dog show, and we were stopped at a tourist spot in Nebraska when Jill called.
Then, in September of 2010, at the Warrenton horse show, I went to pick up Rabbit Ridge’s IHF number. Kathy tried to tell me that he wasn’t paid for. When I reminded her of the wire transfer on the exact date, she said “Oh, yes, I remember. I’ll have to look up exactly what it was for, but that sounds right.” He went on and showed with no further issue and no further trouble about it.
Fast forward to Laurie’s issues. When this came up, Jill finally checked her bank records and found the wire transfer info. She contacted Kathy at IHF. After some other discussion, Kathy admitted she had a wire transfer in August of 2010 (I have seen the email stating this). She also maintained that someone had also paid Redwine’s nomination, so that person would be refunded their money. No one has any idea who this person might be, but it doesn’t matter. This would also explain why Redwine had been on the website as nominated, but then was taken down because the wire hadn’t been properly recorded.
Finally, Kathy came on and attempted to straighten this out, but by not admitting her error in recording the wire, and mentioning that it happened in 2010, she still left the impression that Jill had just NOW paid the fee. And that is not the truth. It WAS an IHF error (with all the complaints over the years about the inefficiencies of IHF bookkeeping and the website, why is that so hard to believe?) and a simple rewording of Kathy’s post would have put this particular issue to bed. But no, instead it threw more gasoline on the fire.
So, those are the FACTS as I know them to be. I am not discussing this, or any other matter, so don’t bother to try to engage me. Jill is a grown woman and must deal with her other issues herself. But I am not going to let an untruth continue to be perpetuated.
Damn I love how Southern Girls set the record straight! ^^^^^^^^^^ (Va is Southern to me!)
oy - happy baby owners versus stiffed vendors/trainers/ etc. Let this thread die -The posse and wagons circle - as usual!
Free country - free choice - helps to do research - and do consider the sources of the info :winkgrin:
May ALL of us breeders have healthy foals and healthy mares in 2012!!!
Go Giants!!!
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