This is a 2013 video, I would hope that is recent enough to qualify as ‘current’.
Chestnut TB mare.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/category/author-name/emily-pope
Her owner posts in the H/J forum here on COTH and has a chronicle blog…
She also has a youtube of her mare when she tried her out in 2005 if anyone wants to see the progress made.
D_Baldstockings, Emily has posted on this thread. I don’t think I’d be “outing” her since she has a link to her blog in her signature. She posts as supershorty.
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D_Baldstockings, Emily has posted on this thread. I don’t think I’d be “outing” her since she has a link to her blog in her signature. She posts as supershorty.[/QUOTE]
I outed myself in my first blog post, too. 
Sorry for offending or ‘outing’. I thought since she was putting herself and horse on youtube and blogging in her siggy, she might have some positive encouragement as to TBs and jumping.
Again, I did not mean to overstep; if the mods need to delete that post, I understand the reasoning…
-But that is a lovely and accomplished mare.
Oh goodness, D_Bald, I don’t think you offended anyone or overstepped! Pretty sure Linny was just saying that I posted earlier on this thread and didn’t think that her post was “outing” me since I make no efforts to hide who I am
http://fotos.verwaltungsportal.de/news/2/0/6/0/7/1/gross/3767358591.jpg
http://www.pferdezuchtverein-ruppiner-schweiz.de/news/1/206071/nachrichten/206071.html
http://www.heino-heinz-hammer.de/danthes-h/
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10895203
Thanks, Supershorty. And yes I should have noticed you were posting, no excuse, there.
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This is an interesting pedigree - sire’s sire TB, dam’s grandsire TB, 2nd dam’s sire Hanoverian, 3rd dam’s sire TB, more further back…
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=SOUTHERN+CROSS13&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
His full brother:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgJcxblCVAg
http://winterroseeq.com/Sparky%20Breeding%20Ad.pdf
That is a darn good jump for the amount of TB in that pedigree?
How does a horse born in 1869 sire a horse born in 1982?
A search on equibase and pedigreequery shows no horse named Silvester out of Hallig. That doesn’t prove anything but it’s interesting that all of her foals’ names begin with an H.
the Holsteiner South Pacific seems to have done fine as a competition and breeding horse despite his TB sire…
well, I’m wrong.
The pedigreeof South Pacific is here
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=636478
My apologies to the breeders of these fine horses.
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I outed myself in my first blog post, too. :)[/QUOTE]
Thought so, but I am loathe to mention here the “real life” name of any poster here.
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the Holsteiner South Pacific seems to have done fine as a competition and breeding horse despite his TB sire…
well, I’m wrong.
The pedigreeof South Pacific is here
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=636478
My apologies to the breeders of these fine horses.[/QUOTE]
What the H are you talking about ?
You thought South Pacific was sired by a TB stallion and then you didn’t ?
Are you that resolved to give a TB credit that they are now appearing magically out of the mist and landing on the papers ?
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What the H are you talking about ?
You thought South Pacific was sired by a TB stallion and then you didn’t ?
Are you that resolved to give a TB credit that they are now appearing magically out of the mist and landing on the papers ?[/QUOTE]
It was an honest mistake. South Pacific’s pedigree has errors on the allbreedpedigree site and lists a Thoroughbred stallion, Silvester, as South Pacific’s sire instead of the Holsteiner sire of the same name (Silvester). There are other errors as well, but they are harder to spot.
http://fotos.verwaltungsportal.de/news/2/0/6/0/7/1/gross/3767358591.jpg
But this guy I posted earlier about IS by a TB sire with War Admiral inbreeding or linebreeding.
I have not read this entire thread but I find it very interesting that Tbs are a breed and WBs are registries, with the exception of Trakehners, how can you compare that?
The TB crossed with the work horse made the WB…no? So why diss the TB? I love Coconut Grove and a Fine Romance and Sea Accounts…
Also, there is no WB that demands the stud fees that TBs due even if it is for racing…why?
I am not a breeder but just am interested in this type of subject.
We now own our first Wb, a trak, and he is very Tb-like… A good horse is a good horse. Tb, Morgan, etc…
I believe the Europeans have a bias against Tbs because they do not have the local gene pool…
PSA–never use allbreed for reliable pedigrees unless you can cross check them. For WBs use Horsetelex (http://www.horsetelex.nl/) or Sport Horse Show and Breed Database (http://sporthorse-data.com/) or, for French horses, Webpedigrees (www.webpedigrees.com).
Jac Remijnse has just printed his mare family ranking in this issue of Pferd & Sport. This ranking is the top 25 motherlines (all breeds) in the world for the production of international showjumpers.
He has only been compiling this stat since 2005 so his latest compilation runs from 10 / 01 / 2005 - end of Sept. 2013.
Holsteiner motherlines hold 14 of the top 25 spots including 1,2 and 3.
KWPN - 6
France - 5
No TB female family ranked , no Hannoverian motherline ranked. Tb’s run and Hanns do dressage…it’s pretty simple folks. Their motherlines don’t produce top jumping horses with any regularity.
And watch those KWPN lines. Most KWPN jumping lines are just Holsteiners in disguise:) I think, and correct me if I’m wrong please, that the Dutch just started doing inspections/registration of Holsteiners as Holsteiners.
This means absolutely nothing, since the supply of TB motherlines used for sport in either Germany or the Netherlands is close to zero. When you start from near zero, any statistical analysis is also going to end up near zero. Then the deep seated prejudice just feeds on itself, as you have proved.
So you think there are no good Hanoverian jumpers either?
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Jac Remijnse has just printed his mare family ranking in this issue of Pferd & Sport. This ranking is the top 25 motherlines (all breeds) in the world for the production of international showjumpers.
He has only been compiling this stat since 2005 so his latest compilation runs from 10 / 01 / 2005 - end of Sept. 2013.
Holsteiner motherlines hold 14 of the top 25 spots including 1,2 and 3.
KWPN - 6
France - 5
No TB female family ranked , no Hannoverian motherline ranked. Tb’s run and Hanns do dressage…it’s pretty simple folks. Their motherlines don’t produce top jumping horses.[/QUOTE]
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This means absolutely nothing, since the supply of TB motherlines used for sport in either Germany or the Netherlands is close to zero. When you start from near zero, any statistical analysis is also going to end up near zero. Then the deep seated prejudice just feeds on itself, as you have proved.
So you think there are no good Hanoverian jumpers either?[/QUOTE]
Apparently the top American TB show jumpers (who used to dominate before the buying in Europe became a very common occurrence, I feel like I have to keep repeating that, over and over) just magically appeared out of the mist.
Plus, I don’t know why Hanoverians are getting dragged into this, but they ranked 6th in the FEI breeding results last year, and Hanoverians have always ranked well in jumping. http://www.wbfsh.org/files/Studbook_ranking_jumping_october_13.pdf I just looked at the top 6 and not only were they (naturally) out of Hanoverian mares, three were by Hannoverian stallions! (Goldfever, Argentinus, and For Pleasure.) So no, Hannoverians are not currently ranked at the top, but the registry doesn’t just produce dressage horses either.
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