As said before, Holstein, way back, lamented the loss of TB outcross candidates with the advent of Northern Dancer. TB’s are used for refinement and speed and a generational weaving in the pedigrees. If lucky, you get one that won’t negate the jump. There are mentions of the following TB horses previously but please note, these models came before the advent of baby talent and speed, speed, speed. I’d like to know the thoughts of the WB breeders on these horses, why they succeeded to the extent they did, and would they welcome these few if still around today?
Since these TB’s have been successful in sport and approved by some WB registries, I thought it would be of interest to study the pedigrees. First, these are 1970’s and 80’s models. No Northern Dancer or Mr. Prospector here. You will find the cast of usual suspects in the background, Ksar, Fair Play, Hyperion (To Bay Ronald), Rock Sand, Man O’ War, My Babu, etc. Lines that in the past, used to cross for the production of sport horses and perhaps, close enough to the English lines and Dark Ronald lines that they still clicked with the WB base. Even so, we’re talking three horses.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/coconut+grove2
http://www.pedigreequery.com/mytens
http://www.pedigreequery.com/hand+in+glove
Omare posted a study on jumpers done using Selle Francais. The long croups would imply a correct SI placement and I think, placement of the stifle under the point-of-hip, that “triangle” in the hind end.
Of these three horses, did they have the correct hind end that I often don’t see in the TB anymore? I often see TB’s with goose rumps, a short pelvic bone, more upright femurs, and an SI placement quite behind the ideal. (And the very straight hind leg that can go with that) The overall impression of that is a “short” hind end, not in appropriate balance with the rest of the horse.
Does the steep, short croup matter when the emphasis is breeding for speed instead of sport?
And when I read an article about how this TB and that TB lowers their shoulder and runs close to the ground, is that the antithesis of what you’d want in a classic stayer or sport horse?
It appears that the late Coconut Grove was approved AHHA. I’m wondering if he could have been used in the Verband via frozen, of if he would have had to be approved by the Verband first?
Thanks in advance for any useful insight.
