I just want to know what medication on earth would be so much?? “HS Medication: $1605.00” or “HS Medication: $610.00” :eek:
On another note…holy crap I feel poor.
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Wow. I give up. It is quite obvious I will never be able to put DD in the league and company she belongs in. I had no idea the cost of riding with a top trainer.[/QUOTE]
Don’t give up! Hard working dedicated kids/coaches/parents can be very successful on a budget. We have made it and ribboned at PF and the big three shows drug free. Qualified for these shows at mostly single A rated shows without running pony off its feet
[QUOTE=jlphilli;7018003]
I just want to know what medication on earth would be so much?? “HS Medication: $1605.00” or “HS Medication: $610.00” :eek:
On another note…holy crap I feel poor.[/QUOTE]
well, i know a round of legend, would be a grand… so who knows
[QUOTE=texan;7018022]
well, i know a round of legend, would be a grand… so who knows[/QUOTE]
They have Legend injections listed separately (as well as Adequan, and Depo–also Gastroguard, Quiessence and other supplements are listed separately).
For that monthly payment why not just buy/build your own facility. A morgage payment may actually be cheaper, and then you hire the staff and call the shots. Sure you don’t get the fame that goes with the “name” but honestly I’m not sure I would care.
Because most mommies want to bring the kid and have them trained. Many have a life that doesn’t include the desire to be a barn owner. Those that have chosen your suggestion? Most sorely regret it and get out after a few years. Not so much fun when the help doesn’t show up- you might have to break your nails 
[QUOTE=jlphilli;7018023]
They have Legend injections listed separately (as well as Adequan, and Depo–also Gastroguard, Quiessence and other supplements are listed separately).[/QUOTE]
That’s what I find kind of odd. The stuff no one would really quibble about a horse getting (all legal, all common, all performance maintaining) are listed out by line item and drug name. And its, well, most everything. Which begs the questions…
- If the meds are broken out sometimes, why are they lump charged at shows?
- What’s left to give that’s allowed and could possibly add up to anywhere near the amounts charged for show meds? The pony is ALREADY getting most everything legal that anyone could think of and those are separate line items.
Totally agree that if the owner wants to pay, more power to them and we’re not here to judge whether someone should/shouldn’t pay less. Also agree that owner takes some reasonsibility to be involved. But those are separate issues from generally wondering why some of the charges are as high as they are and are billed the way they are.
You know, I haven’t read each reply because it seems everyone’s just a-gog over the pricing of the invoices. But it would seem this had been going on a while and it makes me wonder why suddenly the vet, farm, and previous boarding bills all become bones of contention.
Not saying ANY of these invoices would leave me upright after opening the envelope. Pretty sure I’d faint dead away on the spot.
But honestly, if the pony had ‘sore feet’ for such a long history, how can the new owners not be aware at all? Did they literally just ride the pony once at a different facility, then plop it into the show world? Didn’t the child rider have lots of time and practice before showing? And… when buying the service of a pre-purchase exam, isn’t it customary to have a written report? I mean… there should be no ‘he said/ she said’ on the fact that rotation was disclosed or not.
Having worked in a vet office who did many MANY PPEs, vets don’t pass or fail horses usually. They disclose shortcomings and make a speculation as to whether the horse is suitable, or not, for the intended purpose. They never guarantee soundness. They only speak to the current state of the animal. And certainly if a horse had one degree of rotation it would’ve been disclosed, and approved with that caveat, that it was suitable for the intended purpose.
Trying to sue someone for a foundered pony is like getting pissed because the lottery ticket you bought isn’t a winner. Hadn’t they ever heard of the expression “There’s 2 types of ponies. Ones that have foundered, and ones that haven’t yet.” Clearly this owner wasn’t THAT new to horses…
But MAN… those monthly invoices. OUCH. Maybe the pony was so doped up his feet were numb. But then how was he rideable? And… if they allege the pony was blocked to show in '12… isn’t there a corresponding vet bill? Far as I know, no trainer or BM can block nerves. IM/ IV/ SubQ injections, yes. But blocks? And… how could a vet sell lidocaine or novacaine to the BM/ trainer, and bill owner, but owner is not suspicious?
There’s no one person at fault here. Owner has some culpability in being an educated consumer. Caveat emptor and all…
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For that monthly payment why not just buy/build your own facility. A morgage payment may actually be cheaper, and then you hire the staff and call the shots. Sure you don’t get the fame that goes with the “name” but honestly I’m not sure I would care.[/QUOTE]
You mean the monthly payment made to Dignelli and Heritage Farm? While its allotta money, their trainers do bring some skill to the equation.
[QUOTE=jlphilli;7018003]
I just want to know what medication on earth would be so much?? “HS Medication: $1605.00” or “HS Medication: $610.00” :eek:
On another note…holy crap I feel poor.[/QUOTE]
Case of gastroguard, Maybe a dose of Tildren? What I don’t like is all the other meds PLUS 1605 worth of additional. Very odd
As I’ve mentioned before, there are some exotic (and used to be untestable) injections that can act as chemical nerving. Cone snail venom and cobra venom come to mind. If they have become testable, I wouldn’t know. As soon as one becomes testable, another one shows up. Lots of Dr. Feelgoods on the show circuits. Some are quite infamous and widely used. Some have been put on probation by state vet boards. If one of those was being used. . .
There is a huge halo effect in most of the subjectively judged sports.
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Because most mommies want to bring the kid and have them trained. Many have a life that doesn’t include the desire to be a barn owner. Those that have chosen your suggestion? Most sorely regret it and get out after a few years. Not so much fun when the help doesn’t show up- you might have to break your nails ;-)[/QUOTE]
C’mon. It’s not just about getting the work done on your own farm.
It’s what to do when the pony starts stopping and you have tried everything you know how to do but, not being a pro, your tool kit is small.
It’s about not being able to get the great farrier you need to come to your place because you aren’t a large enough account. Maybe the same is for shippers or braiders or grooms at shows and being able to produce enough work for your one at-home groom to keep him employed full-time for you.
It’s about having no one to split the cost of, say, new footing, an indoor or a large enough tractor with. (And buying a too-small tractor only to have to sometimes borrow or rent a bigger one. D’oh!).
There’s lots to be said for keeping your horses with someone else who does it professionally. I say this as someone who has slowly retired her fantasy of having her own place.
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Case of gastroguard, Maybe a dose of Tildren? What I don’t like is all the other meds PLUS 1605 worth of additional. Very odd[/QUOTE]
At the show? This pony was showing AA shows and in between the hack and over fences, he went back from some Tildren? Seems unlikely.
Not that hard to block a heel, but that wouldn’t fix a truly foundered/rotated pony. You would probably have to do a ring block, which usually causes a fair bit of swelling. Would be tough to model or do the conformation class. There are things that are not lidocaine or similar that will block. Not sure if most are still untestable, but anything with the word “caine” in it is certainly testable. I don’t think that those guys would risk all that over one pony.
[QUOTE=Hunter/JumperMom;7018070]
Case of gastroguard, Maybe a dose of Tildren? What I don’t like is all the other meds PLUS 1605 worth of additional. Very odd[/QUOTE]
Not sure about the Tildren, but the gastroguard was listed separately.
[QUOTE=vxf111;7018048]
That’s what I find kind of odd. The stuff no one would really quibble about a horse getting (all legal, all common, all performance maintaining) are listed out by line item and drug name. And its, well, most everything. Which begs the questions…
- If the meds are broken out sometimes, why are they lump charged at shows?
- What’s left to give that’s allowed and could possibly add up to anywhere near the amounts charged for show meds? The pony is ALREADY getting most everything legal that anyone could think of and those are separate line items.
Totally agree that if the owner wants to pay, more power to them and we’re not here to judge whether someone should/shouldn’t pay less. Also agree that owner takes some reasonsibility to be involved. But those are separate issues from generally wondering why some of the charges are as high as they are and are billed the way they are.[/QUOTE]
Those were my thoughts exactly!
[QUOTE=englishcowgirl;7018026]
For that monthly payment why not just buy/build your own facility. A morgage payment may actually be cheaper, and then you hire the staff and call the shots. Sure you don’t get the fame that goes with the “name” but honestly I’m not sure I would care.[/QUOTE]
Let’s not wish this. That’s how ponies pass away at major horse shows.
I am curious as to the logic behind this. Does anyone know?
[QUOTE=RockinHorse;7018173]
I am curious as to the logic behind this. Does anyone know?[/QUOTE]
Plausible deniability!
Because theoretically, trainers are not supposed to be giving shots. (hold the laughter) This way one can deny that meds were given by injections.
