That's a twist

[Angela_Freda]

@La-LaPopRider

Yes! We agree, earning medals IS a big deal. Michael disagrees & thinks medals for USDF is plain stupid. But, getting to 4th from 1st in 16 months made him happy & me too as long my scores for bronze were complete. I can think of no motive whatsoever for me to lie about it. I had ample time & opportunity to simply ride one extra 2-1, 2-2 or 2-3 test. In fact, I basically begged to show Second again 2 more times- (a total of 4) to get my Rider’s Performance Award & patch at Second. MB, MH & JH wouldn’t allow it. They all complained I’d “wasted enough time & money,” on Second level & have the scores for my medal, so I just continue with Third medal scores @ 3-3 plus Q (done) and 4-3 Silver medal scores & Q (one of two complete.) However, I can think of MANY motives for ALL THREE “trainers,” (especially these ones) to lie. Since you mentioned it, I already know one of them is claiming there was last minute “judge change,” at the second separate show we traveled to, to ride a various tests… including & especially my second, Second level test - which is why it’s being investigated. Since you have admitted to reading the other thread - you also know MH posted in June (on her Dressage page as well as Michaels page, as another poster made clear) ) “Huge congratulations to our newly minted Bronze medalist, lauren Kanarek.” Seeing as though it’s exactly their job, not mine, to keep track of judge lists for shows which are needed for Q scores and medal scores - and to bring me to those shows, it begs one or all of the conclusions: they are all idiots, it was done maliciously, the judge listed now wasn’t the same judge listed at the show (requiring the investigation - since each trainer claimed to be “a thousand percent sure,” Second level’s purpose has been served- and I DO have bronze) or, all three trainers are just liars. In any case, how dare you accuse me of E V E R purposely “misrepresenting myself.” Disgusting. More disgusting is, reporter friends of mine let me know “anonymous tips,” were called in to many of the news outlets which referred to me as “award winning,” or “champion,” and actually begged them to retract that phrase! No such luck! They’re all still there - as are my national champion, Grand Champion awards and medal (plus HOY -Reserve Champ) 2016. Pettiness lost! Too bad. (Sad face).

Next, my tag line here has been exactly the same since I registered. It has never once been “corrected,” or changed. It also Has nothing whatsoever to do with medals. Ridiculous!

Further, IF USDF concludes I do need to ride Second once more, I’ll get around to it. I’m one score into Silver now. Had I not been shot, I’d have my silver. As I’m sure you also know, on August 15th (a week after I was shot) I had two CDI PSG entries & two 4-3 entries plus a few 3-3 entries on 2 different horses (total of 3 horses to show) to practice those test for Regionals @ Summer Dressage @ HITS. It’s pretty sad for ME that any medal scores are questioned… especially since the issue is the judge- not the score. The scores I have. My question is, what’s YOUR obsession, with a totally irrelevant thing & affects you in no way. Get over yourself.

Oh & uh… how can you NOT find it extremely weird I had show entries & AIRBNB arrangements for a BIG show just one week after I was shot. Michael chose my classes. My entries were (as far as I can remember) LATE. If there were “so much drama & chaos,” why would I have signed up LATE for an upcoming show, competing 3 horses. Ponder a while.

Lastly, You’ll probably notice GJ has been banned. Do you honestly think - especially with all this going on - I can’t easily be served on their alleged charges? Their stories are INSANE! Any rational person would notice just how unhinged GJ is - after creating 2 new profiles here, after getting banned. She doesn’t ride. She has zero to do with horses in ANY way & thinks equestrians are all “jokes who sit on horses, trotting around while the horse does all the work.” In any case, I find it odd that MH would actively seek out some lunatic online (proven by GJ’s text exchanges with MB which she tweeted to Donald Trump hahaha) whom she knew was relentlessly stalking me… Who does that? What was she trying to accomplish? It doesn’t fit her “I’m in fear for safety,” narrative - no, what it DOES fit, is a prolonged harassment & bullying campaign MH initiated - as I’ve stated several times now. Now please… find a hobby. Oh wait. You can’t! You’re busy being “green with envy.” What’s wrong? That’s not how you meant it?

Posterity

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@YankeeDuchess

I don’t know LK at all, and suspect whatever issues she has, she’s not as evil as the mean girls are making her out to be. But even if she has “train wreck” tendencies, she apparently has 6 horses and plenty of money. Lots of trainers would view “quirks” in the train wreck department leniently when they focus their attention on the big bucks.

That, and the fact that most trainers become trainers because they have an ability to “fix” problems/quirks.

[Dragonfly90]

@GiveEmEl

I don’t see where I blamed the victim. Never said she deserved to be shot. Didn’t ask if her behavior was the reason she got shot. I just keep saying she’s a horrible excuse for a human being. She is. Doesn’t mean I think she asked to get shot. Nowhere did I personally speculate that she had a part in the shooting itself. Again, I just said she’s a horrible person. Not victim blaming.

“Yeah, if you had met her you would KNOW she’s exactly the evil person the mean girls say she is.”

Pretty harsh. You never say the person that shot her was evil. She is being put on trial here, in order to declare her a horrible person deserving of being shot. People here can say that is not their intent, but the result still is victim blaming/shaming.

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@YankeeDuchess

Not clear on what rumor I am being accused of spreading.

From your previous post:

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If the rumours are true, they overhead MB planning this before it happened but didn’t take it seriously. A few days later the incident occurs.”

[GiveEmEl]

@Dragonfly90

“Yeah, if you had met her you would KNOW she’s exactly the evil person the mean girls say she is.”

Pretty harsh. You never say the person that shot her was evil. She is being put on trial here, in order to declare her a horrible person deserving of being shot. People here can say that is not their intent, but the result still is victim blaming/shaming.

Because I wasn’t talking about MB. Because this thread isn’t about MB. It’s about LK.
She is not on trial. Literally no one on this thread has said, “she deserved to be shot.” In fact everyone has agreed she did not deserve to be shot.
Being shot doesn’t make her a hero. Doesn’t excuse her poor character. People are tired of reading articles about what a lovely person she is and are speaking up about her actual character. That in no way is victim blaming or shaming.

[tryintogethere]

@Angela Freda

And if those saying they would move are being honest, they’re hard pressed to then explain how LK, who did not own the farm, only had 4-6 horses, had her own farm to move to, had offers of help to move, and stated she felt in danger… didn’t move.

She did only have 4 horses at the farm. That is a fact. I am not sure where the idea that LK has her own farm came from. I know others said it in this thread. She does not have her own farm, or even her own house, she rents a house in NC. But that is of no matter really, she was given plenty of offers to help get her and her horses off of the property and chose not to.

[MorganSercu]

@La-LaPopRider

Excellent question. How would MorganSercu know any information whatsoever contained in the SS report? Actually, that’s a better question for me to ask SS & direct them to this thread. Although, by all means, @MorganSercu please share!

Taking note: 3.06 am.

[TMares]

@Mersidoats

Well, she made much ado about missing her first CDI at saugerties in August. She was not registered to ride in the CDI - she was signed up to ride in the regular USDF AA prix st George class. That’s verifiable.

The number of training horses she had with Michael has ranged from 2 to 5, depending on the day.

lately she’s said she was in the ICU for four weeks. Previously, she was released with her memory rock after three, and her IG shows her in a not-hospital room 20 days after being shot. Maybe we can attribute this to normal human memory slips and a tendency to exaggerate.

We’ve visited the gunshot wounds ad nauseam and I think that is settled.

She insists the owners invited her back to stay at the farm after the shooting. Or she stayed at a hotel…depending on the day. There are other owners listed on the sweetgrass farm LLC, but I’m pretty sure one of the owners, MB, did not invite her back to stay.

She has stated that MB did not own the property. That’s false. He does own the property - via his LLC.

These are the things that popped out to me as inconsistent.

This bears repeating.

[Mersidoats]

@La-LaPopRider

Further, IF USDF concludes I do need to ride Second once more, I’ll get around to it. I’m one score into Silver now. Had I not been shot, I’d have my silver. As I’m sure you also know, on August 15th (a week after I was shot) I had two CDI PSG entries & two 4-3 entries plus a few 3-3 entries on 2 different horses (total of 3 horses to show) to practice those test for Regionals @ Summer Dressage @ HITS. It’s pretty sad for ME that any medal scores are questioned… especially since the issue is the judge- not the score. The scores I have. My question is, what’s YOUR obsession, with a totally irrelevant thing & affects you in no way. Get over yourself.

Not CDIs. You were in the regular AA USDF PSG class both days. You don’t have the scores yet to get into a CDI. You need 2 scores in the test within the tour of choice at or above 64% to enter a CDI. If this was your PSG debut, there is no way you would have the scores. PSG is a hard test, congrats on getting there. But you should not be telling people that you were slated to show internationally when you were absolutely not In The CDI.

[Dee-Vee]

@YankeeDuchess

All of these things strike me as really small potatoes, or no potatoes at all.

For example, she could have 5 horses boarded with MB, but only 2 or 3 in full training, depending on which horses need training and which are sound. Maybe the owners did invite her back, but she declined and stayed at a hotel (I would not have gone back.) If the farm is owned by an LLC, then technically it’s not owned by MB, especially if he is only a part owner of the LLC.

I just don’t understand the white hot hatred of this woman. All these little inconsistencies you bring up don’t say to me that she’s an incorrigible liar.

What is a memory rock?

These are examples of lies…silly…not potatoes. You asked for lies, you got lies, not potatoes. Dig?

Didn’t your mamma ever teach you that little lies lead to big lies? And where there is smoke there is fire? There is a pattern here with Miss Lauren that has nothing to do with hate, well on this BB anyway. Can’t speak for her.

If you choose to see potatoes instead of lies, then I have some great recipes for you.

Too funny…

[GiveEmEl]

Something else I find interesting in regards to LK’s showing career…if you look at horseshow.com you’ll notice she enters a lot of classes at shows but often ends up scratching a lot of them. Was that per MB’s instructions (what kind of instructor suggests that?) or her own decision?

[ladyj79]

disagree with the rabble, are the target.

And Jesus who said that Lauren needed to redeem herself? to whom? the rabble? why???

I’ll say it again, what a bunch of nonsense.

[Denali6298]

I can’t even. Does it make you guys feel better to constantly shred someone online behind a screen name? Funny how the only person involved in this latest episode of Free the Drama Llamas to give her real name is the person your shredding.

I get she’s done a lot to piss people (some of you) off. I get she lies. Y’all need to realize some of us put y’all in the same category as her with the over the top attacks and posting.

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@ladyj79

Then I guess you can understand why Lauren didn’t leave her hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of horses and equipment, right?

I mean, given what you stated above, her reason for staying is just as reasonable as Michael’s.

Not at all the same. You are reaching. Lauren didn’t have farm equipment, she didn’t have a barn and contents, and she didn’t have boarders.

[CanteringCarrot]

@ladyj79

disagree with the rabble, are the target.

And Jesus who said that Lauren needed to redeem herself? to whom? the rabble? why???

I’ll say it again, what a bunch of nonsense.

Hi, that was me. I’ll admit redeem was a poor choice of wording. I knew someone would jump on it. What I meant was that she doesn’t have the best reputation, I don’t know if the reputation is earned or not. Usually reputations are earned though. I don’t know whether or not some things about her are true or false. But, as she as alluded to herself, we may find out more as the trial/proceedings unfold. Maybe everything she says about MB is true, maybe things that have been said about her on this thread are false. Basically, the trial may shed some light (or it may not). Yes, “redeem” was a crap word to use. Got me there.

But thank you for popping in and reminding us all that this is a bunch of nonsense. I almost forgot!

[ladyj79]

@NotGrandPrixYet

Not at all the same. You are reaching. Lauren didn’t have farm equipment, she didn’t have a barn and contents, and she didn’t have boarders.

do you know how much horses cost? and training? and equipment.

No, I’m definitely not reaching to say she had six figures sitting on that property.

fwiw, a good tractor is expensive, but not good imported dressage horse expensive, (unless we are talking a combine, etc, but none of this diminishes that she also had a lot invested there), and all of this is just a red herring as Michael had legal means to remove her, but instead he chose to try to kill her.

That’s crazy.

[CanteringCarrot]

Yeah, again, I really don’t get his end game!

I mean, if you kill someone, there are, you know, these things called consequences. Like, how was he about to spin this?

I can understand either party not waiting to leave their assets and or/investments, but it is arguably easier for the client to leave. Especially when they have offers from others willing to help them leave the situation. It’s not a “who sticks around longest wins” its a do what is best for you, and literally, you life in this case.

But between this Bronze medal thing (MB saying it was accomplished) the shooting thing, and whatever else, I don’t know about MB’s character either. Seems (in the very least) odd.

[YankeeDuchess]

@NotGrandPrixYet

From your previous post:

”
If the rumours are true, they overhead MB planning this before it happened but didn’t take it seriously. A few days later the incident occurs.”

That is NOT from a post of mine. Try again.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MorganSercu

Taking note: 3.06 am.

Any time of day or night, the point stills stands: how does anyone other than the reporter know what is in the report?

[Denali6298]

@CanteringCarrot

Hi, that was me. I’ll admit redeem was a poor choice of wording. I knew someone would jump on it. What I meant was that she doesn’t have the best reputation, I don’t know if the reputation is earned or not. Usually reputations are earned though. I don’t know whether or not some things about her are true or false. But, as she as alluded to herself, we may find out more as the trial/proceedings unfold. Maybe everything she says about MB is true, maybe things that have been said about her on this thread are false. Basically, the trial may shed some light (or it may not). Yes, “redeem” was a crap word to use. Got me there.

But thank you for popping in and reminding us all that this is a bunch of nonsense. I almost forgot!

I’m not trying to single you out here but in this post you say reputations are usually earned. While yes that’s true in some cases it’s not all cases. I’ve worked in a place similar to the environment of these various threads about the shooting. I’ve seen people with authority talk st about incoming sailors and guess what? That person is treated like crap right off the top because of what people or a person said. I had a sailor admit to me that he talked st about another sailor because of what people said and he didn’t even KNOW who he was.

Yes her posts stand for themselves. But the amount of energy and vitriol pointed to this person by people who don’t know her, nor would have known her name if it hadn’t been for the shooting is amazing. And it’s on par with the st talking sailor who didn’t even know who he was talking st about.