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@YankeeDuchess

I did not say discussion of food is nastiness. I said that some people, Joanne comes to mind, is plenty nasty and I suspect she dramatically whips out the crystal stemware when she doesn’t want to take responsibility for her most recent allegation-posed-as-a-question.

Your grace, I daresay I am perplexed by your use of the second person in response to my willingness to join you in imaginative interpretation of posts, if your outrage is directed at @Joanne :

@YankeeDuchess

I have a sick fascination with you cowardly anonymous mean girls taunting and insulting and cyber bullying the victim of a shooting that nearly killed her.

Yes, it’s a sick fascination. Yes, I probably need professional help (preempting that particular insult),

Aside from the nastiness, your posts are not even original, or clever or cute.

I beg your pardon, m’lady, but I am not Joanne. I’m but a poor latter-day commoner who thinks cardbordeaux pairs better with food than with excoriation of those with different perspectives and perceptions, childish quarrels, or sanctimonious judgment of fellow posters.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

If you as a BNT want to up the level of exploitation (financial, of course), it is not OK to put a gun to their head to force them to sign. And he didn’t.

But calling 911 because LK or LK and RG would not sign agreeing to higher fees? That is totally out of line. Sounds like heavy duty harassment to pressure them to sign. Sounds like bullying.

Doesn’t look to me that the dispute was about tenancy of the house, given that the flood damage had been repaired. Looks like the dispute was financial exploitation and possibly financial fraud.

Put calling 911 because your well funded client won’t sign a piece of paper? Sounds nuts to me.

And however much you lot want/need to hate on LK, the exploited amateur rider in me has to give credit to an amateur client who, well, refused to be intimidated by a BNT who resorted to 911 to pressure her to pay EVEN MORE.

Where are you getting this specific information? I don’t understand how you suddenly know so much background on these phone calls. (These are all questions you’ve asked many of us in a variety of words…so now, my turn to ask you. We aren’t supposed to make “assumptions”, right?)

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

I think you’ve second guessed her enough on waiting 12 hours on the SUV. Did you miss the post by
@ladyj79
saying she was in a situation in which a shot had been fired in her home, and she literally though the barn manager was going to kill her, but she did not call 911?

So now, @ladyj79 is speaking (providing explanations) for LK? I don’t think so. Someone with the forethought after being shot multiple times, places a 911 call, and then proceeds to batter their attacker with their phone to the point of breaking it, is fearless in my book with the testicles of a Brahma bull.

[YankeeDuchess]

@cutter99

Has anyone considered if MB actually did drastically raised pricing it was an effort to get rid of a client who didn’t want to go?

He absolutely would have the right to raise his rates, but would need to give her the stipulated notice, usually 30 days.

But it still seems bizarre and way out of line for MB to call 911 and say “I want them [officers] here NOW” to the dispatcher because a client would not sign a document. Seems she had every right to decline to agree, in writing, to higher rates.

If she refused to agree to higher rates on July 31, he could tell her to leave by Sept 1, but not by Aug 1.

We all agree that it is not OK to shoot someone if they don’t agree to higher rates. But what I am asking about is the bizarreness of calling 911 if your client refuses to sign a document. That sounds like it’s almost in the same category of calling 911 if McDonalds gets your takeout order wrong.

Just not an appropriate reason to call 911. Unless you resort to calling the cops to intimidate someone into signing.

I am well off financially (no, no trust fund or inherited money). In dealing with trainers, who generally are not as financially secure as I am, for years I tried to be the perfect client who didn’t quibble about possible “gray areas” on the invoice, but pretty soon the gray areas become moderate but obvious padding. If, in an attempt to be generous, and not be accused of “nickel and diming” someone, you keep paying, with a pleasant expression on your face, it ends with the trainer just looking at you as a walking checking account to be exploited.

Since LK apparently had plenty of money, and it was family money as opposed to self earned money, I find it extremely plausible that MOST trainers would be very sorely tempted to drain as much money from her as possible, and not feel any qualms about it.

So, aside from LK posting here saying MB was attempting to force agreement to higher fees, I find it extremely plausible that he would attempt to do so. It’s pretty much what trainers fo.

[GiveEmEl]

@La-LaPopRider

Be certain of this- his state of mind will hold no bearing unless he intends to plead “insanity.” (By legal definition.) MB was no crazier that day, than he has ever been any other day. I mean, unless of course, something like a girlfriend threatening to leave him “forced him,” to act in an even more crazy way than usual. Also, planning a thing for days, negates “state of mind,” at the time the crime was committed.

And, uh… if “something you’ve all forgotten,” is, you do not know the truth- I sort of have to question the state of mind of those to whom you refer. If any of you “forgot,” you DO NOT KNOW at all, what went down prior to the shooting, may I suggest Ginseng ? I hear it helps with memory loss.

I’m saying that all of this is speculation. The people (aside from you) saying x is true or y is true don’t KNOW unless they were physically there in the days leading to the shooting, and the actual shooting.

I apologize if I’m not making any sense, I’ve been quite ill and my head is very fuzzy.

[YankeeDuchess]

@ladyj79

my barn manager (or her boyfriend) shot a handgun at my house. I had to get peace orders against her and various others in her circle. She then tried to break into my home in the middle of the night.

I thought she was going to kill me.

Because the police had already been out there five times in the preceding 36 hours, I didn’t call them again, despite literally thinking she was actively at that moment trying to kill me, and despite the fact that she had immediately walked through a restraining order.

fwiw, my horses were on the property. I did not leave until they did, and really, I didn’t leave until 15 days after they did, after I walked three horses at once through the neighbor’s property to be loaded into a friend’s trailer on the road and taken to a nearby barn, where my barn manager’s reputation was well known.

I had been there seven years. When you’ve been somewhere living and working for years, it becomes almost inconceivable that things could go down like they do, even when you logically see all the neon flashing danger signs.

You can be a smart person and still be really really stupid when you think you’re following the path you’re supposed to be on to achieve your goals.

That kind of tunnel vision in this sport, probably many all consuming passions, is much more common than I think a lot of people acknowledge.

@GreenWithEnvy

What is your interpretation this post by @ladyj79 ?

[GiveEmEl]

@YankeeDuchess

Something no one has remarked on is the purpose of MBs 911 calls. While he does refer to LK and RG in one as “squatters” in one, the reference to squatters was sort of offhand, and not the reason for the 911 call.

At the beginning of the call, MB says something about having clients who refuse to sign documents.

Who, aside from MB, calls 911 to deal with clients, or anyone, who refuses to sign documents?

LK has said that MB was trying to raise all sorts of fees. It does not surprise me at all that a BNT would attempt to further exploit a big bucks amateur client - I’ve been exploited or attempted exploited by several trainers, albeit at a much lower level.

If you as a BNT want to up the level of exploitation (financial, of course), it is not OK to put a gun to their head to force them to sign. And he didn’t.

But calling 911 because LK or LK and RG would not sign agreeing to higher fees? That is totally out of line. Sounds like heavy duty harassment to pressure them to sign. Sounds like bullying.

Doesn’t look to me that the dispute was about tenancy of the house, given that the flood damage had been repaired. Looks like the dispute was financial exploitation and possibly financial fraud.

There is a lot of financial exploitation of amateur clients of various degrees. That part is ultra plausible.

Put calling 911 because your well funded client won’t sign a piece of paper? Sounds nuts to me.

And however much you lot want/need to hate on LK, the exploited amateur rider in me has to give credit to an amateur client who, well, refused to be intimidated by a BNT who resorted to 911 to pressure her to pay EVEN MORE.

I must have missed the part in the 911 calls where he mentioned she wouldn’t pay him? Where did you get that information? (To clarify I’m not attacking you, I genuinely am curious if I missed some piece of info)

[YankeeDuchess]

@Graymaresrule

OTOH, what is the old saying “The horse that kills you has first warned you” or words to that effect?

 If you’re saying that his calling 911 on her because she wouldn’t sign a document was warning that he was becoming unhinged, then yes, I agree. 


 She knew the situation was bad. But I think she never really believed he would attempt to kill her, because it’s just so irrational and bizarre.

[Core6430]

@YankeeDuchess

Something no one has remarked on is the purpose of MBs 911 calls. While he does refer to LK and RG in one as “squatters” in one, the reference to squatters was sort of offhand, and not the reason for the 911 call.

At the beginning of the call, MB says something about having clients who refuse to sign documents.

Who, aside from MB, calls 911 to deal with clients, or anyone, who refuses to sign documents?

LK has said that MB was trying to raise all sorts of fees. It does not surprise me at all that a BNT would attempt to further exploit a big bucks amateur client - I’ve been exploited or attempted exploited by several trainers, albeit at a much lower level.

If you as a BNT want to up the level of exploitation (financial, of course), it is not OK to put a gun to their head to force them to sign. And he didn’t.

But calling 911 because LK or LK and RG would not sign agreeing to higher fees? That is totally out of line. Sounds like heavy duty harassment to pressure them to sign. Sounds like bullying.

Doesn’t look to me that the dispute was about tenancy of the house, given that the flood damage had been repaired. Looks like the dispute was financial exploitation and possibly financial fraud.

There is a lot of financial exploitation of amateur clients of various degrees. That part is ultra plausible.

Put calling 911 because your well funded client won’t sign a piece of paper? Sounds nuts to me.

And however much you lot want/need to hate on LK, the exploited amateur rider in me has to give credit to an amateur client who, well, refused to be intimidated by a BNT who resorted to 911 to pressure her to pay EVEN MORE.

I didn’t hear anything about document signing. Trespassing and harrassment.

where’s the 911 call where he states he’s calling because LK wouldn’t sign a document?

[GiveEmEl]

@GreenWithEnvy

So now, @ladyj79 is speaking (providing explanations) for LK? I don’t think so. Someone with the forethought after being shot multiple times, places a 911 call, and then proceeds to batter their attacker with their phone to the point of breaking it, is fearless in my book with the testicles of a Brahma bull.

That is some genuine superhero shit. I’ve never been shot but imagine I’d be on the ground flopping like a fish.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GiveEmEl

I must have missed the part in the 911 calls where he mentioned she wouldn’t pay him? Where did you get that information? (To clarify I’m not attacking you, I genuinely am curious if I missed some piece of info)

He did not say she would not pay him. At the beginning of one of the 911 calls, it is somewhat muddled, but to the extent that I could make it out, his stated reason for calling 911 was that a client or clients were refusing to sign a document.

She has posted here, after the fact, that MB was trying to get her to pay more than the previously agreed rates,

I find it EXTREMELY likely a trainer would raise rates on an existing client, especially if the trainer understands that it is expensive and a hassle for the client to move. I’ve been there, as the exploited client. I stayed and paid for a while, then left.

But surely you have all had trainers raise rates or come up with creative invoices. I think she may have been not backing down on the attempted extortion (figurative use of extortion here), while not fully believing he would shoot her. Regardless of how tense the situation was, I STILL find it hard to believe he shot her.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GiveEmEl

That is some genuine superhero shit. I’ve never been shot but imagine I’d be on the ground flopping like a fish.

Christ. When you are assaulted/shot, the body pumps out adrenaline. It is not that unusual for someone mortally shot to go after their attacker on the adrenaline surge before collapsing and dying. But perhaps you meant it as a compliment to her.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Core6430

I didn’t hear anything about document signing. Trespassing and harrassment.

where’s the 911 call where he states he’s calling because LK wouldn’t sign a document?

It’s posted up thread.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy
I remain interested in your interpretation of post #777 by
”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹@ladyj79.

[La-LaPopRider]

@iris2006

The girlfriend threatening to leave MB unless he evicted you from the property makes sense to me, but shooting you for only that reason only makes sense to me if he did it suddenly in anger. Planning over days to murder you and your BF seems like a whole different irrational thing. But it sounds like you are saying you have recordings of him and other(s) planning to murder you?

Was there also a potential monetary gain for him or did you have some evidence of illegal activity that threatened him and/or his GF? I know you said he was bullying you, and had suddenly changed the training agreement you had with him to charge you more money. You also said you thought he had money problems and you mentioned some insurance proceeds he allegedly received.

And then the weird congratulating you for a bronze medal when they should have known there was a problem with that.

You probably can’t answer these questions, but I can’t make sense of him planning your murder and thinking he could get away with it.

Also, this is a weird question, but do you have any insight on MB saying, “I had a good life” when he was arrested? Wondering when he thought his good life had ended, at the time he shot you, or some earlier point?

I watched some video of MB’s defense attorney. He has quite a dramatic court presence.

Unfortunately, I can’t answer any of these questions.
However, I’m not quite certain of why it is you can’t “make sense of him planning to murder me and thinking he could get away with it.” People who plan out murders don’t plan to get caught. Had he succeeded, he may very well have gotten away with it.
I suspect, he- like most people- figured 2 point blank, bullets to my chest would kill me instantly, as it seems to do in movies. I believe, even though I didn’t fall down dead in that instant- he thought I would, in a matter of minutes. So, to finish to the job, he concentrated on killing Rob by shooting him in the head. Except, he didn’t realize he missed. Neither did I. He only realized that when he ran to the porch to check & was met by Rob - who jumped up and tackled MB to the ground until cops arrived.

I suspect, it was the surprise of getting caught red handed which led MB to repeatedly chant “I had a good life.” Having your face held against a wall while being searched & cuffed at gun point tends to force the reality of getting caught, to set in really quickly. Again, many planned murders - fail. Whether the murder was successful or not, is irrelevant to whether or not the suspect/perp is eventually caught & charged, due to sloppiness in the planning, or, execution (NPI.) All I can say is, this was carefully planned. Our knowledge of this is exactly what made MB’s arrival at our apartment to seemingly want to “work things out,” (he said this himself) - so odd & suspicious, RG and I knew better (instinctually) than to leave the porch together & get anywhere near him together. Especially, after what we heard they were planning. They wanted us together. In every different plan they discussed, (before settling on this one) - the criteria was the same- “make sure they’re together.”

And yes, the girlfriend had the biggest motive of all. If she merely wanted us “evicted,” - they had recourse for that. The fact they did not utilize these options, should be tell tale signs of this: If there were eviction proceedings in place & we were murdered- it would make them number 1 suspects. The calling of the police 5 times (maybe 6) during times we were totally unaware police were being called, (except in one or two cases) was, I’m convinced, part of their planning. I mean, I never said they were any good at plotting murder. Only that they planned it. And believe me, I REALLY wish I could share facts & evidence here, but I cannot. Enough real evidence is out there to draw the most insidious of conclusions. (I.e The arrest/charge of the gun owner. She would not have been charged on a federal warrant for merely owning a gun.) And, that is not what she was charged with. Her charges were much more serious than that.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

@GreenWithEnvy

What is your interpretation this post by @ladyj79 ?

I think it is @ladyj79 's experience. That is not to say everyone else in the universe has the same experience, does it?

[YankeeDuchess]

My working hypothesis is GreenWithEnvy and GiveEmEl are the same person, who is not SW.

Evidence is their posting in response to each other’s (their own) posts, similar excellent command of the English language, and most of all that GreenWithEnvy so innocently asked, well why would anyone create an alter?

 Not that it matters. It’s just funny. And yes, I have a really low bar for what passes as amusement at this point.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

Christ. When you are assaulted/shot, the body pumps out adrenaline. It is not that unusual for someone mortally shot to go after their attacker on the adrenaline surge before collapsing and dying. But perhaps you meant it as a compliment to her.

You tell us…you seem to be interpreting everyone’s comments to fit your thinking. This truly has become the Yankee Duchess thread.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

@GreenWithEnvy
I remain interested in your interpretation of post #777 by
@ladyj79.

Bottom line is I really don’t care and will not go searching back to specific thread numbers! Give it a rest for while!

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

My working hypothesis is GreenWithEnvy and GiveEmEl are the same person, who is not SW.

Evidence is their posting in response to each other’s (their own) posts, similar excellent command of the English language, and most of all that GreenWithEnvy so innocently asked, well why would anyone create an alter?

Not that it matters. It’s just funny. And yes, I have a really low bar for what passes as amusement at this point.

OH MY GAWD. This is totally ridiculous. Since you seem to respond to every single post, are we to assume you are an alter for all of us? Do we now need to wait several minutes between posts to be sure we aren’t liking each other’s posts or responding too quickly or using the same language? I think you might need a calming elixir. You say something doesn’t matter then drone on about it. Make up your mind!!