That's a twist

[Bogey2]

@AnotherRound

I remember that story, and as a true crime afficianado, its one of the most intriguing unsolved mysteries out there, isn’t it! There was a quite detailed documentry about it at one time. Thanks for the recall; I am now listening to the podcasts too.

I live one town over from where she grew up! I am addicted to the podcasts, when done i’ll watch the documentary.

[MorganSercu]

Be aware - Jealoushe is here to stir the pot and get the thread closed.

[AnotherRound]

I can’t remember where I foudn the documentary. Not hard to track down, I’m sure. I’m on podcast 4 now.

[endlessclimb]

@MorganSercu

Be aware - Jealoushe is here to stir the pot and get the thread closed.

A dissenting opinion is not stirring the pot. And who really cares if another thread of this ilk gets closed? I mean, really, what can you personally be gaining from any of this?

[fordtraktor]

@La-LaPopRider

The exact sequence of events are as follows: (There are perhaps, one or two specific details, I can’t comment on, but only bc it’s def not public info & MB has no idea it/they exist.) I was reading on my love seat on the porch. I’d been there all morning. Sometime around 2 pm I saw Michaels truck speeding down the driveway. I heard it & immediately peeked my head out from the umbrella attached to the love seat. He pulled in the driveway to the house and parked directly in front of the table set outside the porch. I immediately ran upstairs to get Rob bc I had no desire to talk to him & was afraid to be alone with him out there. Rob came down, stood on the porch (at first) and began asking Michael what he wanted. I noticed Michael was standing in a very weird position. He was behind a chair, hiding most of his body behind a bush. I could hear, but I was standing on the porch so I leaned over the handrail to hear better. Michael told/asked Rob “what can I do to make everything better? I just want to make this right and make everything good again… I honestly could not believe my ears. But, Rob told him to call his lawyer and let our lawyers talk & stormed away back to the porch. I, however, DID want to hear exactly how Michael thought he was gonna make everything alright - you’d have to know Michael to know that after the past 6-7 days of TORTURE - he might actually think there was some way to “fix everything.” Even I partially believed it. So I stupidly went outside (off the safety of the porch - to be clear) and got about 4 ft away from him, but the table and partial chair were in between us. I right away asked, “ok. How do you plan to … (or something similar)
Never finished my sentence. He immediately pulled a gun from his jeans and shot me twice in the chest right then. I ran around in a circle or something… I think I was in shock. But reality kicked in and my first thought was Rob. Michael fired another round and Rob went down. I thought he was shot in the head. Glass was everywhere from the window in the door in the laundry room which leads to the porch where rob had been standing - Michael started running to the porch & One second later Rob comes leaping out of the laundry room door (which wasn’t completely closed all the way, as we wanted to be able to go right back in if needed) and tackles Michael to the ground. I was bleeding from my chest and side so badly it was running down my arms and hands and my red shirt was (still RED &) soaking wet. I was TERRIFIED the gun would go off from somewhere under Michael and Rob was on top of him holding him down… I remember running over to them and trying to dial 911 from my phone but my hands were soaking wet with blood, it wouldn’t dial… 911 got called though. (That part I can’t disclose.) 911 was called Also by me - apparently. But I don’t remember speaking to 911. I remember vividly Rob screaming “Stop fkng trying to move Michael.” They were on the ground still & I couldn’t let the gun go off or let Michael get free. So I started hitting him in the face with my phone until it broke. Rob kept trying to push me off bc he legit thought I was about to die once the adrenaline wore off or I bled out, but I kept coming back until I thought I should try & somehow tourniquet my chest (stupid I know, but I didn’t know how else to stop the bleeding) … so I started crawling toward the table bc I guess I thought I saw a rag or small towel (they were usually always on the chair seats bc they were SO uncomfortable) but I couldn’t make it. Body gave out. I was losing consciousness and I knew that was BAD. Cops showed up exactly at that moment. 6 guys I think. But one guy was first by a matter of a nano second. He got Rob off Michael & I remember my dog was somehow outside which she’s never allowed to be unless she’s on her ground leash. She was biting Michael and even Rob, too. Anyway, the cop was then standing over Michael with a pistol aimed at his head telling him if he moved again, he would “fkng kill him so do not fkng move.” All I remember after are pieces… the 6 cops were trying to keep me conscious. They bandaged my entry wounds, located the exits, bandaged them too, cleaned blood off my face and arms. Then I remember hearing “the med evac chopper can’t fly - there is storm coming. But they did get there. I was flown to the hospital and that is all I remember. I woke up 4 days later in the ICU …

not editing this, so if there are grammar mistakes or words missing … feel free to either ask or ignore. Also, I was not “tricked,” into writing this … these facts I’m allowed to share. But ONLY these facts. There will definitely be surprises… and thank god. Once the defense figures it out I can’t imagine what defense he will POSSIBLY have to combat the “other” evidence.

Thanks for typing this out for me. It makes the day’s events much more clear and fills several holes we’ve all speculated about. Sorry you had to go through all that.

[Brown_Derby]

@Jealoushe

Have any of you ever actually been a victim of a violent assault and had to retell your story over and over and over until you cant even remember if what you remember is actually accurate? There is a reason before you go into trial, they sit you down and make you watch your statement from the first time they get it, so you can refresh in your mind what actually happened. Time, trauma, stress and retelling a story can all make the facts and details blurred.

In addition to this observation, often victims, esp women, sincerely want to be heard. They want their story told. Poor communication skills can make this very frustrating and confusing for both them and an audience.

(I felt this issue applied to GirlJoey as well).

[Joanne]

@Jealoushe

If the rumours are true, they overhead MB planning this before it happened but didn’t take it seriously. A few days later the incident occurs.

Per a previous post by La-La, she had the barn bugged and has recordings of the nefarious planning.

[Jenerationx]

@Joanne

Per a previous post by La-La, she had the barn bugged and has recordings of the nefarious planning.

Oh right. So that is the part she isn’t supposed to tell us but did months ago.

Lauren, there is a thing called discovery, so that will all be turned over to the defense and there won’t be any surprises. No doubt you were shot by MB, that’s attempted murder, and you’re very lucky to have survived it. That’s enough excitement, I don’t think you need to play up the drama of a “shocker at the trial” as we know the defense won’t be shocked. We might be, because I’m sure there are things that haven’t been reported, but there’s not going to be some Columbo level “gotcha” at the trial. I hope you continue to heal both physically and mentally from this awful trauma and that you can get back to your life after this all unfolds.

[HappyTalk]

I still don’t know what where the events that precipitated this whole nightmare. What started this cascade of events?

[joliemom_again]

@Jealoushe

Have any of you ever actually been a victim of a violent assault and had to retell your story over and over and over until you cant even remember if what you remember is actually accurate? There is a reason before you go into trial, they sit you down and make you watch your statement from the first time they get it, so you can refresh in your mind what actually happened. Time, trauma, stress and retelling a story can all make the facts and details blurred.

Yes, I was. 28 plus years later, it’s vivid in my mind, something that I’ve never forgotten. Memories include the time of day, how I was last to leave the subway car, so was the last to walk down the street. The approximate number of teenagers who rushed me. What I was carrying. The weather. My thoughts before I was attacked which were, please God no. What it felt like to be hit in the back of the head with a hard object, then pulled down the street. How quiet it was after the attack, which occurred in a nice Brooklyn neighborhood. So yeah, that’s still with me, and no where near blurry.

[AnotherRound]

Yes, one remembers what one remembers of a trauma, and while more facts may come to mind later, the initial memories of what happened are never changed. You don’t forget somethings you remembered earlier, and you don’t suddenly remember that something actually didn’t happen after all, nor that something was different, actually. You just remember the facts, as your memory clears up. And you never forget the events that happened. And you never change the events that happened.

[AnotherRound]

@HappyTalk

I still don’t know what where the events that precipitated this whole nightmare. What started this cascade of events?

The way it has appeared to me, and from what can be gleaned from LKs facebook pages and from what other folks who know MB have said, LK and her boyfriend were being evicted from the property, and making MB’s life a nightmare for him and his girl/friend fiance and kids, as only LK apparently can do. LK and boyfriend lived in the main house, and MB and his girlfriend had moved into the apartment over the stables, because the former wouldn’t leave the house or property and they were making life a nightmare for MB et al.

LK and boy friend had been there on a trade basis for training her horses, and for possibly doing some repairs on the house, and when that came to a bad end, for whatever reason, LK et al were supposed to and asked to, leave the property. Horse board not paid for, rend not being paid (after the training trade deal went south) and MB had started eviction proceedings and was being harrassed by LK. MB may or may not also have contacted Safe Sport about her, and LK called a fake report into Child services about MB. CS came to do an inspection the day all this went down, and left, having found that the accusations were unsubstantiated. It appears that after they left, MB went up to the main house (his house, actually, from which he had been pushed out and which LK would not vacate) and we don’t know what happened but the shooting happened just after child services left. So in my opinion, LK was sitting on the porch watching her handiwork with Child Services go down, while reading a good book, and it wasn’t exactly all “minding my own business and I can’t imagine why he did this”. But that’s my opinion.

Happy Talk, I left you a pm

[La-LaPopRider]

@Joanne

LaLa: Are you going to testify at the trial?

“911 got called though. (That part I can’t disclose.”) Siri, call 9-1-1.

Are you serious, right now? Bc… my first thought should definitely have been “oh I can talk to Siri!”

Besides, says a lot about how you perceive life if THAT was your first thought after reading the events. Assume we have all the evidence we need. You’re a piece of work, though!

[La-LaPopRider]

@Mersidoats

Why would a sports governing body investigate criminal acts when we have law enforcement?

And law enforcement was involved. You clearly don’t compete. You clearly have no experience with athletic sports. They all have oversight committees and governing bodies. They ALL investigate criminal acts within their sport. i just wasted 3 minutes of life I’ll never get back in answering your ridiculous question. This will be the last ridiculous question I answer. Serious questions, I may consider answering.

[Joanne]

@La-LaPopRider

Are you serious, right now? Bc… my first thought should definitely have been “oh I can talk to Siri!”

Besides, says a lot about how you perceive life if THAT was your first thought after reading the events. Assume we have all the evidence we need. You’re a piece of work, though!

Lauren: Calm down and read slowly for better reading comprehension.

https://www.usdf.org/awards/performa…zeMedal&Level=

[Jealoushe]

@MorganSercu

Be aware - Jealoushe is here to stir the pot and get the thread closed.

lmao…WUT???

I’m here to discuss the situation like all others, as I shared in previous threads I am a huge True Crime junkie. This case interests me for many reasons and none of them are pot stirring.

There is no need to close the thread because there has been a case update. I follow the thread rules, I have no issue with this thread.

Carry on with your pitchfork.

[Jealoushe]

@AnotherRound

Yah, I have, actually, and I can remember every detail without deviation like it was yesterday, and my “story” never wavered or changed one iota. Cormac McCarthy made a point about that in his book All The Pretty Horses. The judge, after asking the boy three questions about his events thanked him for his answers and said he thought he was telling the truth because “trouble with a liar is, he can’t remember what he said”. Now I am not calling LK a liar, not at all. I am saying this point, though, for Jaloushe, because I disagree with her, because, when you are telling the truth, you don’t forget what happened or what you have said in the past.

well my personal experience was different. It is not lying, if you misremember. Watching my statement before the trial, there were definitely parts I couldn’t remember. Like how many times I was dragged by my hair, or how many times I had my head smashed into the dresser, or how long the shoelace was truly around my neck…and in what order they happened. Doesn’t mean I made it up, anyone who has spent time in Trauma therapy knows trauma effects the memory.

[La-LaPopRider]

@Can'tFindMyWhip

Law school drop out here, so not an actual lawyer, but if I was, I absolutely would not take you on as a client. You are on the internet squabbling with strangers and gloating about having insider knowledge of a very serious, on-going case. “These facts I’m allowed to share. But ONLY these facts. There will definitely be surprises… and thank go.” Get out of here with this soap opera crap. You have a lot of nerve and no class.

Also, horse ownership 101: always have a back up plan for the event you feel you need to leave your current sitation in the middle of the night. If that back up doesn’t have room for 6 horses, don’t own 6 horses.

Since you dropped out of law school- or so you claim- It’s clear you were absent the day they taught contract law. Oh wait. That’s a two semester study, required, even for those planning to specialize in separate types of law.

@fordtraktor r
I was asked by Fordtraktor to explain the events of that day- specifically. I decided to be nice & share what I could. It’s probably best you left “law school.” If you can’t comprehend that victims of crimes are represented by the state or DA, (law school 101) you were never going to make it through, anyway.

[La-LaPopRider]

@Jealoushe

well my personal experience was different. It is not lying, if you misremember. Watching my statement before the trial, there were definitely parts I couldn’t remember. Like how many times I was dragged by my hair, or how many times I had my head smashed into the dresser, or how long the shoelace was truly around my neck…and in what order they happened. Doesn’t mean I made it up, anyone who has spent time in Trauma therapy knows trauma effects the memory.

This is so true. Anyone who has been through a real trauma will have slight deviations here and there. You’re in fight or flight mode and sometimes, the shock of it all causes memory loss too. We (RG & I ) talk about this everyday & everyday I ask him “but where did I go after he shot me?” Some days he is sure I ran to the porch. Others, he thinks I ran around in circles… then ran to the porch!

Also, even though he watched mb shoot me, he says it didn’t register until I was helping him restrain MB and he could see a giant hole in my shirt on my back - when I was crouched over MB’s head.

It really clarifies to me those who have been in serious trauma situations - and those who have not, just by the way they claim to remember each detail (or not) in whatever “situation,” they may have encountered… I’m glad you’re healing & recovering from your ordeal! From one survivor to another 💞

[Can_tFindMyWhip]

@La-LaPopRider

Since you dropped out of law school- or so you claim- It’s clear you were absent the day they taught contract law. Oh wait. That’s a two semester study, required, even for those planning to specialize in separate types of law.

You’re in the middle of a criminal case, nobody is talking about contract law. I mean your personal lawyer, because I’m sure you retain one, must be ready to pull their hair out. The prosecutor probably feels the same way. You are clearly enjoying the attention here, and that’s sad. It is one thing to want to get your side of the story out there, but you are playing up the drama, and relishing every minute of this.