Yes, there is that. However, I certainly don’t want to convey the impression of having a vendetta against any single person, either, because I don’t. I just happen to think that the horse killings were a Very Bad Thing for our sport.
However - since the individuals in question will be coming up for reinstatement on different dates and on an individual basis, that may be the way to go.
The other question is - which would YOU be more likely to sign???
Harry I saved them in another file and sent them off to Ireland where I expect a composer friend of mine will put them to music and send us back the music files.
When I get them I’ll post links to them so you can all hear the finished product. Harry any leads for a producer and director for our off broadway musical. Could be a winner!
I’ve got a few candidates to play Mr.Ed. We could use some names for the horse chorus and the dancing horses. What a shame we don’t still have Walt Disney to manage this project.
Actually, as a sport, its all non-news no matter what happens. The real media only cares when there is an angle that exposes the filthy lucre of the rich and (semi) famous.
Originally posted by Seal Harbor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Windsor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by big dawg:
I cannot believe you folks have this much free time on your hands to be doing someone’s else’s job…must be a lot of lefties living off your dad’s trust funds…
This tickles me.
If you think these people have big trust funds, how big must yours be, since it allows you time not only to follow what they’re doing, but to comment on it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just do this for scientific study–I am amazed by the number of crazies there are in this world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Apparently you are one of them. You have managed to find the time to not only read the posts but add your posts not once but six times. Perhaps you are living off daddy’s trust fund.
BTW you are just a little dawg. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
you count everyone’s posts? WOW
Originally posted by Bumpkin:
Doesn’t it make you feel as though some of the fence sitting posters, think the posters who have signed are “the little people”.
I mean if they signed, they may be cold shouldered at the WEF cocktail parties.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trakehner:
His little group of Barney, Lindemann and he killed horses for profit. They went to jail, he made a deal and got probation. What a guy.
The “self-important” people know what’s best for all of us and the horse world…those damn little people keep getting in the way as the moral pinhead who organzied the Palm Beach event quipped, “I think for the knowledgeable professional, it’s over…For the little guys out there, they’re not forgiving.” Hear that little guys? Get over it, your masters have spoken.
The US horse industry has 4.6 million people involved with horses. I doubt being shunned at a cocktail party in WPB is a major concern for horse people. I think the fact that someone who was convicted of the crimes is still involved with horses is a concern. If people are really worried about the cocktail parties then maybe they are trying to impress some people who are not worth impressing.
WA - I just sent the link to the petition to dressage friends with request that they forward to any that would have interest
A reminder for the Bracelets one more time[B]
Buy NOW! your own No-Reinstatement Bracelet[/B]
I still have some I can send out. Didn’t make the mail because of the Holiday. The orders will go out tomorrow to anyone who orders tonight.
Originally posted by buryinghill2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by slainte!:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
Mucking his barn???hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha gasp…sigh.
Obviously, you know nothing about the man in question. He mucks daily and arrives with or before all his staff. His day starts and ends with stalls. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
When did he start doing that? He certainly never used to do any barn work, there was plenty of staff for that. He always was one of the first and last trainers on the show grounds, but he wasn’t mucking stalls. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don’t care if he mucks stalls, cleans horses sheaths, or arrives at 4am he is not an honorable person. I can’t imagine telling people “oh yea I train with PV you remember the one that killed the horses” sure sure!
Originally posted by shade:
I’m sorry BD but you cannot equate what PV and the others did to EL’s issues. No where near close. I could forgive EL for his problems, those are personal problems. He didn’t have a horse killed. Sorry not the same
You’re right, it is not the same, but the Rules about participation in amateur athletic sport have to be applied across the board country to country, since all come under the USOC. Use of performance enhancing drugs is not allowed. Just ask the German Show Jumpin Team who lost their Olympic medal. [Personally, I think they should test both riders and horses, but that is for another day.]
Killing Mr. Ed comes under animal abuse, and their is plenty of animal abuse that goes on in the show world short of killing the horses. That was dealt with by the suspensions. These folks were given the right to petition for reinstatement–they were not give lifetime bans.
Eric was suspended several times for the drug problems/arrests, and the Canadian EF has been more than embarrassed by him. But life goes on, and we are taught that forgiveness is devine. Everyone deserves a second chance.
Originally posted by Limerick:
big dawg, please turn off your “caps locks”. It is interpreted as yelling on the internet. Using all capital letters and spouting gross generalizations make you sound crazy.
I agree and to say all hunters are on drugs is wrong. I for one do not drug my horses or ponies when showing. I have not replied to any of your retoric (sp) on this or any of the other treads. We can disagree with people but there is no need to attack.
dawg… no need to piss on every tree…
sarabeck we have just started to try and answer your questions. We only have public record that we can use to document our position. If you go to the other thread I have posted three instances of very public ignoring of the 2005 Rule Book.
Mr. Valierre is listed as the owner of the horse in two instances as reported by his good friend Mason Phelps. He is also listed as a co-trainer in one article so I would guess we have the name of his employed trainer who covers at horse shows for him. The rules do not require that we produce evidence that they get paid as employees.
There are five of them I understand is he all five? That could explain his problem if he is a multiple personality. There was someone on a long time ago who was not Mason Phelps we did ascertain it was a female and a “R” judge.
I sent several of the posts on this thread to a close friend who is an riding alumni of Ethel Walker. Needless to say she spent many hours today on the phone with them. Their director of communications told her that they did not approve the ad placed and are very upset by the linking of their name and PV’s. Is seems that they did not know of the ad until it was placed because it originated from Northrun. They plan on doing some rapid PR work to distance themselves from any association with PV. They are looking into whether any of their staff had anything to do with this ad.
Let’s get back to the cruelty issue. Eventing was forced to undergo a major change in order to stay in the Olympics, and quiet the "humaniacs in Europe. Let’s be honest, the drug issue in h/land is out of control; I know of barns where it takes 45 minutes to put medications in the feed of 20 horses, and, this at home, in the winter 
…and then there are these internal blisters. which seem to be the “rage” at the moment. I cannot imagine how an internal blister might feel, but, I do know how injecting a joint feels; and, it is not good, certainly later when ththeete lidocaine has worked into the joint capsule, pain upon movement is gone, but, even knowing that as a human being, itis VERY PAINFUL I advise friends who are considering being injected that initial pain is severe.At one point I was considering having my si injected, until a friend inmed schol talked with me about it, since chiropractic, osteopatthic, and, PT mde the joint functional again with a minimum of pain.I admit I would have e g fought anyone doingthat to my “backside”, yet horses are twitched twitched, shanked down with lip chains in order to be injected.This goes on as part of the "picture " of being successful in the show ring., and, I suspect humane societies who fought so hard against the soring of gaited horses would be equally upset if they knew what is considered "daily maintenance " in the show ring;and then,there is the issue of killing for hire; Would It not be better to show that we do look after our horses’ best interests, and, penalize seriously those convicted ofcruelty “, is that not what was cited in the decision?, "cruelttty?“Unfortunately all horse sports are subject to being accused of doping , andf”"fixes"could we not take the higher moral road, show that we consider cruelty, especially as perpetrated int this case.to be abhorrent I understand, and, respect the point about having "paid " the penalty. served time, etc. and, one day behind bars is certainly horrible, especially to someone used to being outside, and,
Dear little pup I cannot imagine how you can claim any comprehension and not understand that it is a worse evil to drug a helpless horse who had no choice and who is the athlete than it is to take drugs as a passenger on one of these wondrous animals.If truly the rider was the athlete then any of those great riders could take any of my common horses and win.
All we are asking for is a little common respect for a horse who perhaps embarrassed an expert by not being as good as expected. He didn’t need the money, his owner didn’t need the money the horse could have been given away for nothing and no one would have had any real problem and maybe some junior would have had a wonderful Equitation horse for free.
Well, what about riding for the reputation of a suspended person?
Originally posted by Renn/aissance : Aefvue’s Pharmacist:
Boberry, unless I’m missing a point, that’s not McLain crediting anyone… that’s Cayce Harrison thanking the Wards for the help that they have given her.
The issue is “Wards”. Barney is getting credit although he is suspended.
I suppose it can happen. A know someone who watched a truckload of guys dump out a dog at the end of the winter circuit in Wellington and drive away. The dog ran after them barking and frantic. She witnessed this, chased after the dog until she caught her put her in her truck, named her Grace and the dog has about the most spectacular life a poochie could have. Probably the exception rather than the rule but thought we could all use a bit of cheering up! 
His wife was a millionairess before she met him?
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