Why would anyone who supports the heart association have a problem seeing other red bracelets out there? Mine only has the indentation for the “no reinstatement”. It’s not like anyone can read it unless it’s under their nose. And, when it is, and they ask, I inform and discuss.
Thanks Erin.
Originally posted by ss3777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>have been working here on the left coast and don’t have a moment to always immediately respond. That being said, as a person who knows PV and thinks that he in fact is remorseful and regrets his past actions I will speak out. (and no doubt get flamed and repeatedly have my morality, etc questioned by all who disagree with me). I think that those who do not want PV reinstated are within their rights to sign a petition, make t-shirts etc, just as I am within my rights to not sign the same petition. Like any crime, they are judged case by case and so will the reinsatement of PV. When and/if he applies the committee will focus on him and his case alone not all that were involved
I respect your stance even if I do not agree. I can believe that he is remorseful, and certainly has regrets but that does not really equal reinstatement in my humble opinion. A lifetime ban would fit the crime, if anything could possibly fit the crime. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
then petition for a Rule Change—they did not give any of these people a “lifetime ban”.
Just to let you all know, I’m pleased to report that Avery’s art exhibit raised $350 for the campaign. Snowy, I’ll be mailing you the checks tomorrow.
Harry- got to agree with you on that one. Animal welfare is animal welfare…Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow.
I love silent auctions!! Great idea, anyhoo, who can I ask about the cafepress tshirts??
Originally posted by MIKES MCS:
ATT: HARRYJOHNSON AND SNOWBIRD, If you are going to be writing an article on th egrass roots movement to prevent Horse Killers form being reinstated by the USEF could you please send me a copy I would like to submitt it to our Local Horsey publication. It covers the Michigan and Indiana Local Horse Show scene. I think they would publish it and it would get to the people you are talking about, the grass roots of the midwest… Perhaps you yourselves could get in touch with thier editors.
Equine Times
What about the Plaid Horse magazine, has anyone contacted them, Doesn’t thier editor post on this board?The Plaid Horse
The Plaid Horse is ALL over this…expect something from them after their BIG Double Jan/Feb ISSUE
No Please that would be in bad form!
We are not billboards. You can bring a petition to every horse show you attend and ask to leave it in the Secretary’s office if they say no! then you can put a poster on your van and say one is available. Leave it out on a clipboard for when you are not there.
Hidden- was he ever suspended from the vet. assn? License pulled in a different state than three yrs ago?
Sorry…posted before seeing Erin’s post.
When I 1st found this thread I was reminded about the insurance killings per say, it spurred me onto signing the ‘No Re-instatement’ petition. More importantly, it got me intense about finding the book ‘Hot Blood’. I researched the book, bought it ,am 1/2 way thru, and am horrified and reminded why I signed the petition. I have a story or 2 to tell myself, thru only from being the x wife of a trainer who’s still involved and as we speak, has horses in Palm Beach. (He’ has never done anything like be involved in the
You know, I was trying to stay out of this.
But imagine that this horse was your horse. Maybe he wasn’t ever going to be what you and your trainer had hoped he would be- maybe he never would have succeeded over the bigger fences. But this was a good horse, and a horse that you love. You arrive at the show one day to find that he’s dead, and you’re heartbroken. Your horse, the one that you love, your baby, is dead. Maybe you watch him being dragged away- or maybe you couldn’t bear to watch. But then you find out that your trainer, whom you admire, killed him.
What would you do?
I just lost my horse this winter, of completely natural causes; it was just his time. John had finally convinced us all that he wasn’t happy as a hunter and equitation horse. Instead of forcing him to do something he hated, we switched careers and he went foxhunting instead. What would have happened to John if Paul Valliere had been his trainer? My dear horse, who was fabulous in the hunt field and an amazing teacher, would have been killed because he didn’t fit the trainer’s ideal. Let me tell you what I would have done if I found out that my trainer had had my horse killed because he was unsuccessful at his job. I would have bided my time and planned. And I would have killed my horse’s murderer in such a way that he saw my face before he died.
I say murderer because that is what Paul Valliere had done to this horse. First-degree murder in cold blood. Nobody’s denying that. But look at the difference in punishments between his murder of a horse and the way he would have been punished had he murdered a human. Instead of life inprisonment or even the death penalty, Paul Valliere has continued life as usual, with some adjustments- maybe he’s not physically on the show grounds anymore, but he’s still training and he’s still making a living off of the horses. And now we’re going to accept him back into society, all smiles, and shake his hand and say “So glad to have you back, I know you’ve changed”? While we’re at it, let’s open up the doors to the prisons and free the convicted murderers. Okay, maybe not the serial killers; after all, Valliere just had one horse killed. But the guys who’ve knocked off one person? Eh, they’ve done their time, I’m sure they’re sorry.
You know what? Maybe he has changed. I don’t know the guy. I’m not saying it’s impossible. But it’s too late now. Paul Valliere made his decisions years ago and he’s going to have to deal with the consequences.
I wouldn’t know Paul Valliere if I met him on the street. But I do not support his reinstatement. It’s not about him. It’s about the people who cried for that horse, and the horses that he might have killed if he hadn’t been caught. But mostly, I do not support reinstatement because of the horse that he killed. The horseman’s charter posted in the front of the USEF rulebook says it all. This sport is about the horse and the horse’s welfare. We are in this sport, not out of money, but out of love for the horse. And that’s what it comes down to.
Renaissance
“John”
January 1, 1992 - November 24, 2005
Rest In Peace
Thank you!! Well said.
Originally posted by Nadonyalife:
Cross-referencing to the “PV and NOT Gensis” thread, as well as the “Trainer Stole Money” thread–
Great series of threads on moral/ethical issues facing the USEF!!!
The Hunter/Jumper world is great isn’t it? 
Yes- My horse is insured as living on the property at Acres Wild.
Actually, my insurance guy has lessoned with us.
Originally posted by RNB:
ise@ssl & TWF ~ you just have to remember the AGE of the person you are TRYING to communicate with.
You’d have better luck nailing jello to a tree!!
because you know my age right? if i were to guess all of your ages i would have to put you at about 12 or 13. you don’t have any arguments besides insulting me, nice to know you really care about the issues. i’d vote you for president.
Originally posted by Sherry3313 Groom of Winners Aefvue Farms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by anthem35:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Sherry3313 Groom of Winners Aefvue Farms:
For those of you claiming that PV doesn’t own any horses that are showing during his suspension, this comes DIRECTLY from Mason Phelps…
"Winter Equestrian Festival Week 7 Wrap-Up, March 9-13, 2005 CN Finale, CSIO-US 4*, ‘AA’
Contact:
Mason Phelps, Jr. of Phelps Media Group, Inc. at (561) 753-3389 or at
The R.W. “Ronnie” Mutch Scholarship winner, Cathy Rolfs, placed eighth in Section A of the ASPCA Maclay and had scores of 80 in both the hunter and jumper phases of the WIHS Equitation Classic. Zazou Hoffman, the R.W. “Ronnie” Mutch Working Student winner, placed ninth in the ASPCA Maclay and also received a score of 80 in the hunter phase of the WIHS Equitation Classic. Both girls were graciously loaned wonderful horses to compete on. Rolfs rode Aristocrat, who is owned by Paul Valliere, while Hoffman rode Missy Clark’s Long Island. "
I believe that this was a wording error on Mason’s part, to which he has subsequently corrected. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jeez anthem35…you’ll say anything to defend your guy 
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No, this is actually the truth.
Paul is NOT my guy, and he has a lovely girl of his own.
I am not defending anything other than what I believe.
Why do you feel the need to discredit me for standing up for someone I believe in?
The after affects of these crimes are NOT limited to our small H/J world either. It affected many many areas of the horse business.
Let’s be real, real careful about alleging anything, people. 
As far as I’m concerned, if it ain’t already thoroughly documented, it’s horse show gossip. And we all know how reliable that is.
That said, and just making a general observation here, suspicion of someone violating the rules would not be sufficient grounds to file a protest.
anthem, obviously you are comfortable working with Paul… more power to ya.
But there is a reason that people treasure and protect their good reputations – because they know that one screw-up is all it takes for a goodly portion of the population to write you off. No matter how stellar the rest of your life has been, if you foul up good enough, that’s what people are going to remember you for. And they’ll steer clear of you for it.
Is this fair? Maybe not, in some cases. But it’s any individual’s choice as to whether or not they want to hear an apology, whether they want to give a second chance, etc.
And you know what? They are totally within their rights to say that they don’t want to hear it, that they don’t care if PV is now a saint, that killing a horse for insurance money is just not something they are at all interested in forgiving. And that’s tough toenails for Paul, but hey… mistakes have consequences. Just because you admit to a mistake doesn’t mean you don’t have to suffer those consequences.
The USEF is a member organization. Its members are certainly within their rights to say, “Hey, we don’t think that someone who admitted killing a horse for insurance money should be allowed back into our organization.” Likewise, people who think PV is wonderful are within their rights to tell the USEF how wonderful he is and that he would be an asset as a member.
The point of the petition, it seems to me, is to make sure USEF knows how many of its members are of the opinion that PV should not be reinstated. It’s not to convince those who DO support and forgive PV that they should not support or forgive him.
Perhaps this discussion could stop going around in circles if both sides realized they’re not going to be able to change the other’s mind, and focused on swaying those who might not have an opinion yet and the USEF.
Originally posted by big dawg:
Then you haven’t read my comments. I keep telling you folks that each of those suspended has the right under the rules to petition for reinstatement as each received a specific letter telling him/her what they needed to do to be reconsidered. Further, you shouldn’t be signing a petition if you are not even a USEF member, otherwise you look like you are just an animal rights terrorist. If your only response is to tell folks how many posts I have made on these 56 pages [6], then maybe you should try an add something or else just turn your computer off.
{bold in above quote added by sgray}
the Petition is addressed "To: The United States Equestrian Federation (“USEF”), the United States Olympic Committee (“USOC”), and the Fédération Equestre Internationale (“FEI”): " – so anyone who is a member of the USEF or any of its affiliated organizations, anyone who is a citizen of the U.S. and anyone who is a member of another nation’s NGB that is affiliated with the FEI would be an appropriate signatory
The fat lady hasn’t sung yet, harry!
