The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

[Snowbird]

Snowbird-Shows in RI???

Do you honestly think that he wants to waste his time to go to the showground JUST to show the USEF that he was above the rules???

Yep! I think he is just that arrogant and self assured.

Can you really be that bitter and cynical?? You know nothing about this man other than what the media wants you to believe.

Oh! Dear anthem35 I surely hope your judgements about PV are better than your analysis of me.So you think the media wants me to believe that he is so egocentric that he is compelled to break the rules and flaunt his control over other people. What media might that be? I’d love to read some of those stories.

I am by the way a pragmatist which is neither cynical or bitter. I think people need to follow the rules of a civilization or that civilization declines. We’re seeing that already.

Without going into too much detail, I rarely see the man have time to eat, much less waste time on the showgrounds.

Unless, you are his favorite gopher I would imagine you’re not there all the time. I have never seen him take time to eat either and I don’t know him at all. He doesn’t however look either undernourished or over worked. Actually as very attractive man. I can understand why he is so successful with women.

The reason his kids do so well is that he WORKS. HARD. The amount of horses and riders that come through the door everyday, especially in Welly, is astounding.

And, you know this how? A lot of trainers work very hard especially at Wellington, are you saying he does better than all of them? In all of the elite community is he really the very best we have?

[Dancing_Lawn]

I’[m not twisting anybodies words. I’m just interpreting.

this whole thing makes me want to stay as far away as possible from all the elite “horsemen” that are out there showing, riding, training.
I prefer to not jeopardize the safety of my horses. Even if its just a perceived risk.
i’ld rather not take it.
and I have a feeling there are a lot of other little people out there, just like myself, who find this whole issue to be a bit nauseating.
Are there NO heroes for us to look up to?

[Snowbird]

Not that you know of Sheila! But do you know who everyone is that posts here on this thread? Do you even know if the same person is posting under many alters?

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

I feel that the thread is useful as long as there is interest in it.

[jn1193]

Okay, I have printed off War Admiral’s petition and will get this ball rolling. It will go to four show barns in NoVa this week and I will get signatures. Just an FYI: for the signatures. Have people sign, print their name and address. If they know their USEF # it should be included as well. Or, just a check off Member/non-member. Signatures need to be somewhat “verifiable.”

I urge everyone to do the same: take them to your barns, give copies to friends who ride at other barns, and set a date to collect them.

Now: who is going to the USEF convention who can deliver the petitions to the powers that be? Unfortunately, I am not going to be able to go. But we need a central “collection point” Volunteers?

[scout33]

Originally posted by War Admiral:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by scout33:
Question- if the issue is reinstatement why is PV being singled out?

He’s not, and I apologize if that impression is being created.

The only way we can approach this situation is to take the same approach USEF has taken - that being, to deal with each suspended party on an individual basis. Each of the nine people listed here in the Hearing Committee minutes received a different length of suspension. Thus, each person becomes eligible to apply for reinstatement at a different time.

USEF really had no choice in the way they handled this; we don’t either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the reason why there was no uproar when Nancy Manfield applied for reinstatement?

[Snowbird]

This is a very valid point which I had not even considered. In reality all horse people are paying back to the insurance companies the money that these people received from claims.

So technically we are all their victims as well.

[Vandy]

Snowbird, like I said, I can see your point of view, and basically agree with it. What I was saying was, just because one does not sign the petition, it does not mean they are planning to kill horses as WA’s post implied!

[mxyplyzyx_Aefvue_Far]

Am I the greatest person in the history of horse jumping or something?

Absolutely! With supporters of your caliber, PV will be most fittingly rewarded. Bravo!

[radio_talk_Aefvue_Fa]

Good points CH. Everyone seems to be suiting up to do battle. No one is answering about pro or non reinstatement.

[lyrical]

Thanks, Harry, for putting my thoughts to words much better than I could have.

[One_Star]

Originally posted by SGray:
For the record, I believe that the below list of individuals should not be allowed to join the USEF nor should they be allowed to compete as non-members at any sanctioned shows.

Donna Brown
Tommy Burns aka Tim Ray
Robert Cheska
Jerry Farmer
Tammie Glaspie
James Heinsohn
Marion Hulick
Donna Hunter
Michael Hunter
James Hutson
Lisa Kinney
Alan Levinson
George Lindemann, Jr.
Georg Nuber
Matt O’Connor
Laura Stern-Grzebieniak
Paul Valliere
Barney Ward
Brenda ‘Joni’ Youngblood

The above list includes some convicted of involvement and not necessarily former members of the (then) AHSA, thus, not all were suspended.

That is a first run-through - there are more that I will add as I review the cases.

Dana Waters nee Tripp

[big_dawg]

Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
: exhibiting polarity; especially : having a dipole or characterized by molecules having dipoles

READ YOUR SENTENCE–USE OF THIS WORD IS ONLY SHOWING OFF–IT IS NOT CORRECTLY USED IN THE CONTEXT YOU ARE DESCRIBING.

[Showponymom_Aefvue_M]

Susan,
Please let us know when you hear back from any of them. I sure you will hear from them. It was very well written and well documented. Thanks

[Snowbird]

I don’t remember such but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I suspect it was relative to when the Final Decision came down after all appeals in the Court System. PV did turn state’s evidence and perhaps expected to skate free like Joe Plemmons.

[Sherry]

Originally posted by anthem35:

A ‘real arguement’?

First of all, I despise arguing…

My only case is FORGIVENESS.

I just wish people would stop for one second, and take thier feet off this man’s neck long enough for him to BE SORRY.

You have to give people a CHANCE.

There is not one person on this board who hasn’t screwed upin some way in their life, and not been offered a chance to make amends.

Perhaps our mistakes werent as incomprehensible, or made public, but we have all been granted forgiveness at one point.

Try it folks…it makes YOU a better person.

First of all, he’s had about ten years to “Be Sorry”.

Second of all, you don’t personally know most of the people who post on this thread so you don’t know that ANY of us has screwed up in ANY way. I certainaly don’t appreciate YOU making this statement about ME as a poster on this BB, even in a general way. Can you spell S L A N D E R ??

[ss3777]

ATT: HARRYJOHNSON AND SNOWBIRD, If you are going to be writing an article on th egrass roots movement to prevent Horse Killers form being reinstated by the USEF could you please send me a copy

I would also gladly send an article to every association/publication in my neck of the woods, foxhunters, pony club, Area 1 USEA, the local papers, Ethel Walker Is there someone with better skills than I that can write this article??? Perhaps a collaboration of sorts?

THANKS!

[Duffy]

scout33 - don’t worry about me. I could care less whether or not PV hired or didn’t hire a PR staff.

[ss3777]

And one has already been reinstated

Who was reinstated???

Oh and Carol I agree, no abortion, politics or religion.

[N_B_T]

From the March 2006 issue of Sidelines
H/J gossip column

"We all know there’s been a huge internet move afoot to keep Paul Valliere’s ban in place. However, Marcella has been told that he’s back on the WEF showgrounds…it will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out.

There is a link where USEF members can sign a petition NOT to reinstate Paul: www.PetitionOnline.com/valliere/ . It is hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service (however you should be aware they send you a confirmation which asks for support)."

It will also be interesting to see how many more equestrian periodicals and websites pick up the story–as well as how many more in the mainstream…