The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

[Snowbird]

I do so agree with you Harry, it was Tanya Harding who actually gave the boost to skating that they needed to take it out of the “ballet” stage onto the sports pages.

It is the players about to kill each other in major sports that brings in the crowds, the hope they will see a crash at the NASCAR and that one day the Bull will win in the Bull Riding.

There is nothing more boring that 30 perfect trips of hunters. But in jumpers there could be a crash or a rail comes down and ends the competition.

I cannot imagine any harm would come from the fact that we want to protect this sport for those generations yet to be born from these evil people who would ruin a wonderful receational sport for the children. It can be written in an affirmative way to build an audience and the ratings while at the same time giving us the attention badly needed.

This frames it for both sides of the argument and if the ratings are good could gain us a lot of public support. If we could show that we need help to depose the B******* who would corrupt our horses and our children it could be a great asset.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

SNL, I would strongly suggest you take donations for them, and that someone take the responsibility for handling the funds in whatever way best suits the purpose.

[Andrew]

Posted Jan. 24, 2006 10:11 PM
Oh! Good Lord there are not enough colors for all the causes to have separate color. Ours is red for the blood spilled by innocent horses. It says No Reinstatement in white letters. I’m certain white is also controversial.

We discussed it and we have them. I don’t think that Aids Awareness is going to suffer an identity crisis by sharing the color red with our fallen horses. The red in our flag is for the blood spilled to protect

I’m not talking about the bracelts those are AWSOME… but someone mentioned “also” wearing a RED RIBBON too… that’s what I was cautioning not the R/W bracelts … okie dokie Ms V!

[hiddenlake]

Originally posted by LE:

I just have to ask, and sorry, I don’t have time to wade through the thirty pages here, so if this has been answered already, could you just provide the links?
<snip>
Just the journalist in my showing there are two sides to every situation…

Okay, no flames for your comments, except for the fact that you don’t have time to read the thread and you expect others to do your information gathering for you. I get really irritated when I see “I don’t have time” posts. Are you saying your time is too important but it’s okay if we take the time to post links to make it easier? And what do you want us to post links to? Hope that’s not how you engage in your journalistic endeavors.

Okay, rant over. Go back and read. Then post.

Of course many of us think it would be wonderful to be able to stop horse killers from ever owning again. Personally, I would squeal like a pig with delight.

Yes, we can engage in an organized effort to change the animal protection laws outside of the USEF arena. However, the posters here are trying to address the one issue they can influence NOW—and that’s PV’s membership in USEF. Speaking up now is how many members are saying that PV should not be openly supported by an organization that purports to represent the welfare of horses above all else.

You’re darn right that hitting them in the wallet is the way to go, but the first step is to address his potential reinstatement because of 1)timing and 2)control, such as it is. Better to light a single candle, right?

[Snowbird]

Well said Andrew! What about those other horses who have been abused. By the way as I understand from my fading memory PV was suspended from AHSA not for Insurance Fraud but for animal abuse.

OK! I caught up and now I can sleep peacefully. I always feel better after I’ve had a chance to say my piece.

[radio_talk_Aefvue_Fa]

Have seen it also. Words cannot describe what is on that film. It never leaves you, never!!

[Racetb_Aefvue_Farm_B]

I have to say this is true. Cheaper horses in my barn are insured. The fancy ones usually are not, as the premiums become too prohibitive. I’ve found the same in the racing industry…Mr. Mellon’s animals were not insured, nor were any expensive strings of horses, with a single owner, ever insured.

[big_dawg]

Eric missed the 1996 Atlanta Olympics because of a suspension for cocaine use. Then twice in July 2000 he was suspended for illegal drug use. As a previous offender, he faced a lifetime sport ban. He was not allowed to compete at Sydney, but three months late following numerous appeals before the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport, he was let back in the sport. He has been treated entirely differently than Ben Johnson, the runner.

[Snowbird]

Serah, I’m sorry it sounded that way. What you did was much more than most have done and I respect your effort. It is tough to fight the establishment that protects such goings on. Probably because it was only $15.000 it was cheaper for them to pay rather than to argue.

I know how you feel, I’ve been taking abuse for years because I won’t just roll over and play nice. Now I’m old enough not to care about being popular; I just want to help right things that are wrong.

I got stung at the convention because I trusted the establishment and I really believed they cared.

[mwe]

my letter has already been sent

[Janet]

Can we PLEASE keep religion out of this. There are enough differences of opinion (to put it mildly) already without adding another contentious issue which really isn’t relevant.

[SGray]

Originally posted by FuzzyLogic:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by harryjohnson:

The petitioners have the same right to protest the reinstatement as Mr. Valliere has to apply for it.

Perhaps, but only IF those petitioning are actually members of the very organization they’re petitioning against. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I repeat for FuzzyL - the petition is addressed as follows:

To: The United States Equestrian Federation (“USEF”), the United States Olympic Committee (“USOC”), and the Fédération Equestre Internationale (“FEI”):

which means that the appropriate signatory category is pretty broad

[Snowbird]

Yes! it really is! We have two reports published by Phelps Media saying that Equitation Riders in the Maclay were showing horses owned by PV.

We have friends of PV who stable with him saying he has a proxy on his payroll. We have all of you that are his students and show giving PV credit and we have ads in the Chronicle giving him credit and Thank you! for his teaching.

Tsk! Tsk!

[17hTBmare]

I’m just curious—has anyone seen anyone actually wearing the bracelets at a horse show?

[Erin]

I do seem to recall that some of them apologized at their sentencing hearings. (Court sentencing, not USEF hearings.) I think I remember that Barney did, but my recollection might be off. Marion Hulick definitely did. Don’t know about PV, I wasn’t at his.

[FuzzyLogic]

Originally posted by harryjohnson:

I also find it very interesting that the Valliere supporters who preach forgiveness and compassion, in a moment’s notice turn contentious and petty. It seems to me that as long as their interests are being served, they are happy, but it does not suprise me because their ideas are molded and influenced by someone with that same line of thought. I can see how this discussion has degraded to what it is at times, opinion runs deep on both sides. In the end, a lot of people will be unhappy either way.

I’m not sure if you were counting me as one of the PV supporters, but if you were, I’d like to point out that I have never stated, in any of my posts, that I’m a PV “supporter”. I also don’t agree with you on your comment about the PV supporters…some of them behave as you said, but not all. In fact, I feel that the “other” group come off much, much more aggressive and petty, as a whole.

[scout33]

I guess it’s hard to tell sometimes via email what the tone of a posts is… sorry thought you were intentionally patronizing me… just a miscommunication I guess

[2hsmommy]

Agree with Harry. Better stated than I could have done.

True about the amends and apologies anthem. Also true about listening to someone to see if they are genuine.
But also, when all said and done, anyone has the right not to forget past wrong doings, which is, in my eyes this petition is all about.

[rickyanne]

A convicted felon in the U.S. is no longer allowed the right to vote. Period…This same philosophy should apply here…

[sarabeck]

OK GUYS WE NEED TO GET OUR FACTS STRAIGHT IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN DOING A LITLE INVESTIGATION ON MY OWN.

PAUL VALLIERE WAS ELIGBLE FOR REINSTAEMENT IN AUGUST OF 2004 NOT APRIL OF 2006. HIS HEARING DATE WAS IN APRIL 1996. THE USEF MADE THE SUSPENSION RETRO ACTIVE FROM WHEN IT BEGAN IN AUGUST 0F 94. FROM WHAT I HEAR HE HAD NO PLANS APPLYING THEN OR NOW. SO WHEN ALL THE ARTICLES ARE WRITTEN IT MAKES ALL OF US WHO DON’T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN LOOK BAD BECASUE WE DON’T EVEN HAVE OUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE AUTHOR “IN SERIVICE TO THE HORSE” SHE HAD NO MONEY TO SUPPORT THE WRITING OF THIS BOOK AND PAUL OPENED HIS HOME TO HER IN FLORIDA WHEN NO ONE ELSE WOULD THIS ALLOWED HER TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE FOR THE BOOK WHICH WAS THEN PUBLISHED.
NOW I HAVE A FEW QUESTION FOR ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER THIS:

I JUST HAD A INCIDENT WITH THE BREAST CANCER BRACELETS. I PURCHASED SOME FOR MY FRIENDS AND MYSELF. I LATER FOUND OUT THAT THE BREAST CANCER ASSOC. RECEIVED NO MONEY FOR THE DONATIONS AND THE SELLERS WERE NOT AUTHORIZED TO USE THE NAME OR LOGO. WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO WHEN I PURCHASE THESE NO REINSTATEMENT ITEMS? DOES THE USEF RECEIVE A PORTION OF THE FUNDS SINCE THEIR NAME IS ON THIS? WHAT ARE THE PROCEEDS USED FOR?
BEFORE I SIGN MY NAME TO ANYTHING I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FACTS CORRECT SO I’M NOT INVOLVED WITH LITIGATION OF ANY KIND PURCHASING NON AUTHORIZED ITEMS OR PUTING MY GOOD NAME AND USEF # TO SOMETHING THAT IS FALSE. I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THE WORDING OF THE PETITION IS INACURATE DO TO THE FACT PAUL A HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HORSE SHOW N WELLINTON SINCE 1996 AND AT THAT TIME THE WEF HORSE SHOW WAS APPROX 2 MILES AWAY. THE HORSE SHOW MOVED AND EXPANDED OUT TO HIM. LIKE I SAID I DID MY HOMEWORK. I WOULD LIKE TO GET INVOLVED BUT THIS SOUNDS LIKE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON JUST ONE INDVIDUAL. INACCURACIES CAUSE LITIGATION FOLLOWED BY DEPOSITIONS. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GET INVOLVED WITH BACKING UP FALSE INFORMATION

PLEASE HELP ME