Yes, Duffy, I do think you’re right, and we can add poor Jatomic Streaker. Sorry to be changing my mind so often on this. 
Thanks for your help Erin!
…And yes, I believe the laws on chiro vary by state.
Most people cant figure out that they cant afford something. Thats what socialism is all about - encouraging the imbeciles to reproduce.
Why is the rider putting a pic of Aristocrat in her webshots with the caption “this is the horse Paul Valliere asked me to show in the EQ. We were 8th in the Maclay and got 2 80’s in the washington”
I tried to link the pic, but it didn’t work…
Google “aristocrat paul valliere” and it shows up.
As I understand the current rules he would request a Hearing with the Hearing Committee or ask the CEO to set up a hearing committee session for him.
He would to their satisfaction prove he had remorse, and contributed community service to the horse community and had been obedient to the rules for the whole 10 years. The Hearing Committee would take the record and consider it and it takes 30 days for their reponse.
I do not believe you can appeal a Hearing Committee opinion. He might also under the USOC clauses appeal that as an “elite” hig performance trainer he is prevented from being competitive due to the fact his not a member.
It would be up to him to prove his innocence and good intentions during the term of his suspension.
Having waded through the entirety of this thread, the thing that I find most disgusting and embarrassing as a horse person is not the length of PV’s ban, but that he was allowed to continue owning / training and being in other ways involved with animals. I can only imagine what a person can do if they view a horse as a commodity and not an animal - if someone is able to dissociate themselves from all feelings of morality enough to electrocute a horse or smash its legs, are they not just as likely to employ cruel training methods? Here in New Zealand I would expect to see the SPCA or ILPH becoming involved in similar cases. A situation like this would almost definitely come to court (whether because of the insurance fraud or the cruelty aspect). I believe any right-minded judge would enforce a life ban on both owning and being involved in the training of horses.
Originally posted by radio talk Aefvue Farms RCA:
Meadowlark, according to the USEF, PV does in fact still own Aces Wild Farm in RI. It is in good standing and listed as active.
“according to the USEF”, is just your statement…where is that found?
Erin, I’m sorry, but this:
Originally posted by xegeba:
harry… get off my menopause…
Slays me.
On Topic? Hell no. But without a little posting liberty, that Gem would have NEVER seen the light of day.
Linus, the problem is not with PV himself, it is with ALL of the individuals involved in the insurance/horse killing scandal.
Biiiiig touble for what? Please explain.
Thank you for sharing your experience too filly 3. I can’t imagine being young and witnessing such coldheartedness.
I have a hard time as an adult accepting that such atrocities happened in the sport I love so much. I dread havng to explain such matters to my daughters. My oldest (seven) has a hard enough time when her pony books mention selling horses for meat. 
xegeba… nice, polite, respectful, adult discussion. Two people already went on vacation tonight, and I have absolutely no problem with adding another name to the list.
My husband commented to me this morning as I sent off the cheque for my horse’s insurance policy that I probably have PV et al to thank for high insurance prices. That may be true. I know it’s an absolute truth, however, that insurance companies now go to extremes to ensure that proper procedures are taken when a horse needs to be euthanized in case of insurance fraud. 
Oh yeah…as I’ve said before…Donna only got a 15 year suspension, but she better hope I don’t meet her in a dark alley with a crowbar. Streetwise had a colic clause on his policy…so he HAD to be killed this way for that disgusting *&%$# to collect.
Anthem35: please post a link or reference to the correction. For once, I’d like to see the factual proof that a quoted article clearly indicating a current rules violation by PV was in fact an error and was corrected.
If you cannot provide proof, as far as I am concerned, the PR document, as quoted on this thread, is the fact of the matter. If there is a rule violation, the USEF should be taking action.
Your statement that is was corrected is simply not enough. Cite where the correction can be read.
As to your continued postings arguing that PV is truly sorry and has or can change, unless you can prove the correction, I think you have an uphill battle (and I hope the USEF views that HE has an uphill battle) to clearly demonstrate his regret; current rules violations really don’t support regret or changed behavior.
Agreed.
Wow, great post, BD. Thanks for it.
The only thing I might qualify is where you said they had the right to reinstatement. They have the right to APPLY - but reinstatement itself is exactly what USEF left open-ended.
I agree some ugly things have happened on some of these threads, in each direction, which I personally wasn’t real happy with. But that’s pretty much the COTH forum, in a nutshell!
All those things you say happens don’t necessarily happen–all that stuff varies by state or federal law–depends on the jurisdiction of the crime as to what the law provides. The professionals losing their license thing is not a legal result, as it too depends on the Hearing Committee of the Agency/Association that oversees licensing and depends on the nature of the crime…the losing the vote depends state by state.
This is not a parole hearing…PV and all the other suspended individuals, just like any other sports athlete–remember the USEF now has to answer to the USOC and the IOC–have rights to reinstatement under the Rules. You all have a right to file a petition, if you are a USEF member, or to just send a letter if you are just an incensed animal lover, or whatever. Those petitioning reinstatement have the right to have all of their supporters, including USEF members as well as members of the public at large write letters and appear in support. [What I don’t understand is why some of you on this thread are so vindictive towards anyone who is opposed to eternal damnation of these individuals.]
Boberry, I was afraid someone would eventually post something about Si Jayne on this thread, and now that you have, I have to say that I have been aware of him my entire life, as a horrible human being.
My mother, back in the 1940’s and early 1950’s had a wonderful TB purchased from the late Bill Perry that was trained by the late Jimmy Harris, to be an outstanding conformation hunter. She showed all through Virginia, the Garden and all the then big shows of the day, beating the big show stables. Upon marrying my father, whose family was from Naperville, Illinois, she moved her wonderful horse there, to a private barn, complete with security guard (always on duty) in the area.
As time went on, my mother would eventually do the big horse shows in Chicago and at Oak Brook, etc. and win, as she did in Virginia, beating all the big timers who had no idea who this girl from Virginia was.
Si Jayne was one of those big timers, whose riders and horses she beat. She was approached by Si to sell him her horse, and my mother flatly said he wasn’t for sale! At the next horse show, Oak Brook, she was champion, winning every class and was again approached by Si, this time saying to name her price, of which she said there was no price, and to basically stop asking.
Si didn’t like being told he couldn’t have what he wanted, especially from some naive girl from Virginia, so three days later he hired a man to go to the barn where my mother kept her horse (late at night), knock out the security guard, and with one of the stall bars, shatter my mother’s horses’ foreleg. He was found early the next morning.
The hired man eventually talked, and the Si was charged with the killing of my mother’s TB, along with the deaths of so many other wonderful horses.
My mother has an amazing scrapbook with all the newspaper articles and court documents.
It was a happy, happy day when that monster finally died.
I agree with you. We don’t know! I agree with you that a gossip columnist in print might not be true.
I’m saying that while everyone is getting signatures and being heard let’s look ahead a little. Let’s say we have 10,000 signatures and we are ready to present this petition how do we frame that presentation?
Originally posted by Snowbird:
We can understand that you want to what is best for you. We are not saying anything about you. You need to understand that a good many people feel very passionately against someone who has admitted and been convicted of hiring someone to fake and accident so as to collect insrance; and particularly since there was need to destray in pain a perfectly good resalable horse.
What I care about is tht there needss to a time and place where horse people, sportsmen say you made the decision and now you are personna non grata in the the competion level of the horse world.
I think there are many excelent trainers who never resorted to that remedy. That makes them better trainers in my book of ethics than PV.
We have a trainer in New Jersey a good competitor and a vry nice man with his own fan club as well and he was accused of molesting his students. He claims he is innocent as well. BUT, he is forbidden to be anywhere in the proximity of children. No permanent physical damage was done to any child.
I am not sure if he ever was convicted but he has never once tried to bypass that rule of the court. I would be inclined to believe in his remorse but not his innocense.
I understand this completely, and would not ever want my children in the hands of a child molester.
Child molestation is a result of a mental depravity and sickness.
I do not believe this can be cured.
Silver, LOL, nope - the “little people” quote was actually from the group of people who support the “horse killers” - it came from Phelps Media in this article. I’m posting the link b/c IMO it’s worth a re-read and hasn’t been posted in a while.
Please let me know any thoughts/comments/etc. about the web site & how it could be improved. I was rushing out the door when I posted last night!
Anyplace, thanks for checking in - believe me I know how life gets in the way! If you want, just post it here when you get it done. Many thanks for all your hard work. 
KEEP CROSSPOSTING - we’re over 2,000 sigs now.
