The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

[radio_talk_Aefvue_Fa]

For those of you who are interested, this is

THE USHJA CODE OF CONDUCT for Horse Welfare
Code of Conduct for Horse Welfare:

The USHJA expects that every person involved in showing horses adhere to the USHJA’s Code of Conduct for the Welfare of the Horse. Horses are one of only a few animals used as athletes, often required to undergo extensive training before reaching their physiological or psychological limits as competitive individuals. Under these circumstances, decisions about horse welfare may be strongly influenced by the potential benefits to the rider, the owner or trainer.

Therefore:

v All equestrians must acknowledge and accept that at all times the welfare of the horse is the first priority and must never be second to competitive or personal commercial influences.

v The well-being of the horse takes precedence over the demands of trainers, riders, owners, organizers, sponsors or officials.

v Competition management must always consider the horses’ welfare relative to the competition and schooling areas, ground surfaces, weather conditions, stabling, equipment and other related site safety issues.

v Adequate provisions must be made for ventilation, feeding, watering and maintaining a healthy environment when horses are stabled on competition grounds.

v In the interests of the horse, the competence of the rider is considered essential.

v The highest level of veterinary care available must be provided at all levels of competition.

v The USHJA will establish adequate controls in order that all persons and bodies respect the welfare of the horse.

v Emphasis will be placed on increasing education in training and equestrian practices and promoting scientific studies in equine health.

v The USHJA urges its membership to pursue the highest level of horsemanship by continued education through clinics at all levels. The USHJA Horse Welfare Committee is dedicated to bringing the best horsemanship ideas together, throughout the United States, in an effort to promote understanding and fair treatment of horses at every opportunity.

[horse_poor]

FYI, the Cafe Press No Reinstatement store has officially opened:

http://www.cafepress.com/norein

Have at it.

[xegeba]

so… the horse cares about his umbrella? and whether the alligator or the hammer or the needle is the way he meets his maker?

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

Sorry Anthem, I, like others feel this was not a mistake. It was a calculated action. As far as apologies go, sure, he can make all of them he wants, none of us have ever seen them, even in recent interviews. Again, we also have the right not to accept them, or even acknowledge them if we feel they are not sincere. To be honest, I was not suprised when I heard of his part in events. Just as it is your right to train with him and be his customer, others feel it is not right for him to enjoy the privileges enjoyed by those who believe and follow the Sportsman’s Charter, which supposedly is one of the founding ideals of the USEF. I personally feel that if it can be proven that horses or riders on show grounds are being trained by him, they also should be set down, but again, that is not my decision to make.

[mxyplyzyx_Aefvue_Far]

And now, a brief harmonic interlude, to the tune of “I Wish I Was in Dixieland” with apologies to Daniel Decatur Emmett.

O, they said in Palm Beach something sure smells rotten
Media Group thought they’d all forgotten
Look away! Look away! Please don’t bandy my name.
Offing my own horse got me 10 years probation
And outrage like I’d bombed the nation
Look away! Look away! Did the time for the crime.

I wish I was in USEF! But hey, today,
I’m in the van, and have in hand
A cellphone to my proxy
Away, away, away down south in Welly!

O, I wore a wire, was a federal snitch
Averting fate as Sandman’s cell-bitch
Look away! Look away! Screwed my pals, ass was saved.
O, the little peeps do “Reinstate” campaigning
Meanwhile I’ll just keep on training
Look away! Look away! I’m absolved in the fray!

They forced me out at Equus
Let go! Let go!
When asked if I would re-apply
I said with humble ego
“Someday, someday” I’ll get off USEF’s sh*t list!

Since I’m banned from competitions like KILkenny
How’m I s’posed to earn a penny?
Look away! Look away! Ne’er again go astray.
Shall I chuck it all, live like a has-been spinster?
What’s the pay to judge Westminster?
Look away! I’m okay! Reinstate me today!

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[Sheila_H]

Once again my detractors make my point precisely. Drivel is exactly what this game is all about.

[TWF]

From The COTH November2000 (link: Judge’s Ruling ) note the link is not working.

BARNEY WARD BANNED PERMANENTLY, JUDGE RULES

On Nov. 1, a New York State Supreme Court justice ruled in favor of the American Horse Shows Association in its two-year effort to keep former show jumper Barney Ward off horse show grounds. Justice Richard F. Braun granted the AHSA a permanent injunction to keep Ward off show grounds for as long as he is suspended.

Ward, along with others convicted in the insurance-fraud indictments announced in July 1994, was suspended by the AHSA Hear-ing Committee for a minimum 15 years in July 1998. After serving 33 months in federal prison, he appeared on the grounds of shows in Vermont and Florida, violating his suspension. Justice Leland G. LeGrasse ruled twice in favor of the AHSA in granting a temporary injunction against Ward, pending further action.

Justice Braun’s decision permanently bars Ward from attending AHSA-recognized competitions as a participant or spectator. He noted that Ward had pleaded guilty in March 1996 to the insurance-fraud charges, admitting he arranged for Tommy Burns to electrocute George Lindemann’s hunter Charisma and three other horses before he threatened to kill Burns if he told anyone. Justice Braun called these “most reprehensible actions.”

Justice Braun wrote that the AHSA “has the right to keep unsavory people away from the horse shows that it oversees, even if only to prevent the appearance of impropriety.”

Justice Braun rejected Ward’s request that he be allowed to watch his son, McLain Ward, compete, saying Barney “should have considered the consequences of his actions before he put himself in the position in which he is now.”

He added that the AHSA “issued an appropriate penalty that, contrary to [Ward’s] contention, was not disproportionate to penalties issued against others” and that the AHSA is “certainly justified in avoiding actual or potential harm to its events, members and reputation, not to mention the horses, by having [Ward] barred from those events.”

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Note that Ward plead guilty to fraud…

SO there is a ruling that stands behind the (USEF) ASHA to keep “unsavory people” (not just those convicted of felonies) away from the horse shows…
I have asked if this was made into a formal USEF rule… Did the expensive Federal Court case…which the AHSA won…produce a rule we can quote from the rule book?

At any rate, the Federal Court ruled the USEF is certainly justified in their right to bar persons form their shows.

[Erin]

Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center:

i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit , credit, reputation or satisfaction of a suspended person.

Y’know, that is just an… odd… rule. What the heck does it mean to show for the “reputation or satisfaction” of someone?

[Zanny]

I think the whole skip, hem, and awe comes from the 1986 tax reform when you had to start claiming actual hours for horse write-offs. Suddenly some horses met an early demise…Yes, not everybody was “caught”, but Yes, if you were caught, it was a time out…then out of the game, or so society would think. But past experiences have led us to the petition. If you were acting like such a jerk the FBI singled you out as an informant and you “turned over”, sorry…your Henry Hill in a no where land eating ketchup noodles with the rest of us “schmucks”, life is true. It catches up, and it’s horse killer for insurance fraud time…just deal. I think it is better for USef to do it now…before it’s later. Really…known convicts of horse killing do not belong in a “membership” of horse people.

[Saddlebag]

OOps guys…sorry for the double post…my computer has a mind of it;s own!

Shade…Read my post…I did not claim that the petition is trying to DENY PV his civil rights. I used the word, INFLUENCE.

And yes, you all do have the right to do this. No question. I just feel that the matter should be settled on a rational factual level, and not be influenced by emotional inteference. Frankly, I think that the only effect that this petition will have with the Hearing Panel is that they will note that there is much public sentiment against reinstatement. Then, they will address the facts, listen to what Mr. Valliere has to say, and base their decision on what is presented in the Hearing.

As to how I feel about reinstatement for all the petitioners. I believe that each case should be decided on it’s merits, and I personally believe that PV has much to offer the Show Jumping community, and if the facts support this, should be reinstated. I DON’T feel that way about many of the others.

I also trust that those on the Hearing Committee are not stupid people who will be swayed by emotion, but will reach a conclusion based of facts alone. Hear Hear!

[Bumpkin]

Originally posted by Snowbird:
I think Fairview that we could both be right. A troll is a psychotic personality looking to gain attention that would be part of someone who identifies with the people who do bad things and attacks those who try to do good things. It is a negativism usually the result of someone who is always bossed around and feels as if they no other freedom.

It can also be an intrinsic arrogance like that of a spoiled child who doesn’t believe the rules apply to them.

We have a lot of regular posters who could fit that bill, don’t we?

[big_dawg]

I knew the crazies were on board this petition…let’s see, abortion is good because it is “humane killing”, while killing an animal is bad because it is an “inhumane killing”…am I in Nazi Germany?
You folks just don’t get it…you are not the judge and jury on this matter. These people were suspended for a certain time period–not for life regardless of your personal point of view.
They have a right under the rules that govern us to petition to be readmitted as members…heaven forbid any of you have ever done anything wrong and have to ask for someone’s forgiveness…I would hope you receive better than you are willing to dish out.

[jetsmom]

Xegeba- That’s a really good question. I wonder where they keep records of vet. assn members or if his license was pulled. Kind of parallels the whole reinstatement issue doesn’t it?

Wasn’t there another vet involved as well in all of this?

[CBoylen]

No Duffy I don’t think that’s true because most show grounds are sanctioned or licensed for a full 24 hours per day. There could be a day in between each 5 day show but I doubt that’s true because it would allow another show to sneak in on the Calendar with another C/B Rated Show

And, hey, look, that’s exactly the case here.
2/15/2006 - 2/19/2006 FLORIDA CLASSIC/WCHR SPECTACULAR
WELLINGTON, FL
Type: R Zone: 4
Division(s) & Rating(s):
Hunter - AA
Jumper $25000+ - N
Young Jumpers

2/20/2006 - 2/21/2006
LITTLEWOOD PRESIDENTS DAY HUNTER
WELLINGTON, FL
Type: R Zone: 4
Division(s) & Rating(s):
Hunter - B

2/22/2006 - 2/26/2006 WELLINGTON MASTERS
WELLINGTON, FL
Type: R Zone: 4
Division(s) & Rating(s):
Hunter - AA

[Sherry]

Originally posted by OAK:
I think they will need a camera with a date and time on it for evidence. They need proof.

The problem with a date and time on a picture is that you can change the date and time to anything you want before shooting the photo.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

Does anyone have a link to the video of Streetwise? Or a copy of it? I don’t wish to see it, but understand there might be some interest in it.

[amandaw]

Originally posted by Sheila H:
Do you clowns know what red & white means?

Santa Claus?
Or are you talking about a red and white herring?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_and_white

[CANTEREOIN]

Ghazzu is right, Big Dawg is more about closing this thread than the issue at hand. And I like the message:

DON’T FEED THE TROLLS, DROP RELIGION AND POLITICS FROM THE THREAD!

[anthem35]

Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Yes, Harry, you’re right…it was a calculated act…of stupidity.

Nope - it was of greed

Still not taking on the Doctors or Cops? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I’m not really sure how cops and doctors relate to this argument, and I am witholding comment on the activities and behavior of law enforcement officers both on and off duty.

[TWF]

If it was YOUR horse…I doubt if you could even speak of the act…let alone condone (tolerate) the act.

It’s a sad day that allows this to be a NORMAL of our INDUSTRY…