Yes, but if they were not responded to in kind, this might not have happened.
Passing sock basket, zipping flame suit–see you tomorrow, I hope.
[Is he not in Europe? IO was told thathe, and others caught in the “resrpinesting” were facing life suspensions, and , so moved out of the country . Anyone know?
Like it or not, it was just what was done at the time.
SOUNDS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ACTS TO ME
THAT’S EXACTLY WHY THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE SUSPENDED. WHY GIVE ANYONE A CHANCE TO DO IT AGAIN IF IT IS POSSIBLY STILL GOING ON! WE NEED TO STAND UP AND BE THE VOICE FOR THE ANIMALS THAT HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TRUST US
Snowbird,
Off days here in Wellington, there ARE NO fences in ANY ring.
We do quite nicely training over our own course on AWF property.
Originally posted by anthem35:
BTW Chanda, nice job in the hack…your horse is a cute mover.
broberry? harry? Can we take this moment to do something about Stallion Fighting? You do know that some mares that get shipped off to the Slaughter House( I know …the owners have the best intentions) are pawns in this grotesque… money making scheme…
“I had a rough couple of shows and I was doubting our partnership a little bit. But I credit all the help that Barney and McLain Ward have been giving me" -Cayce Harrison. By the rules of the USEF this is a vioaltion?
am I the only one that can’t follow carsity’s contradictions of herself.
Well here’s a news flash for you: thats wrong.
In the NJ Star-Ledger PV stated “I’m very remorseful. I hope someday I’ll be reinstated,” continued Valliere, who has yet to apply to the USEF.
Even though he is barred from setting foot on the grounds of any USEF-recognized show, he still runs a thriving instruction and sales business in a development next to the home of the Winter Equestrian Festival in Wellington, Fla.
Valliere hopes that when he does apply for reinstatement, the USEF will re-admit him. he would like to be reinstated." 2/12/2006
Chanda should step down from her animal welfare position if she doesn’t think this PV thing is a current issue.
OK folks, the topic of t-shirts & merch has come up again… in the Off Course thread.
I’m thinking Cafe Press is probably the way to go, if we want to do this. Problem is, I am completely graphically illiterate - so is there anyone who would like to take this project on?
And Snowbird, would you be amenable to using your account for this purpose? If not, please don’t HESITATE to say so.
I do have to warn y’all that in terms of using the proceeds of sales to do advertisements in trade publications, we have probably ALREADY MISSED THE DEADLINE if we wanted to get them in the monthly mags for March. Monthly commercial mags “go to bed” incredibly early. But I’m sure we could think of other good things to do with the proceeds. I’ve alwayss loved the idea of an RP Memorial trophy, for one… 
Vandy what would be your reason for not signing? No offense intended but I am curious so we know what the reasoning is that doesn’t support the non-reinstatement and yet doesn’t support the crimes themselves.
Originally posted by anthem35:
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and have not felt the need to sacrifice yourself to produce only winners. Its a tough game to win.
But what does that have to do with respecting his opinion as a trainer?
I am not asking you to sponsor a class in business ethics with Paul as the guest speaker.
But even you agree, his expertise in the training arena is without compromise…
if “his expertise in the training arena is without compromise” then why did he have RP killed?
I haven’t seen any posts by Chanda on this subject…
I don’t think there was much consideration that anyone cared, and the fact that we DO care, and can even get the media to notice that we do, is probably quite unexpected. Whether or not it will be effective, we don’t know.
and of course, PV will not file for reinstatement until we all get bored with the subject, and go about our normal lives. One already slipped thru the process unnoticed by all, but hopefully this thread will make us all aware that we have to stay alert, and keep our voice strong so the USEF does not slip them in the back door when no one is looking <“oops, too late”> They have to know we DO care - this year, and next, as well as in 20 years or 50.
What rules is he bending?
Hiring a proxy to take his place is bending the rules. Using cell phones and radios to keep in touch and answer questions for the proxy trainer is tap dancing around the rules.
PV knows full well the intention of the rules is to prevent suspended persons from participating. The above is bending the rules to the edge of them snapping in his face. The new rules threaten to punish anyone who rides to the credit or benefit of a suspended trainer or horse owner. Those juniors who rode horses he owned even for free have been jeopardized and could be penalized themselves. Is that the way of one of the “best” trainers?
For anyone to consider that PV judge an unrecognized Equitation Class on grounds that are USEF approved for a 24 hour day is bending the rules. He is not permitted on those grounds while they are sanctioned by USEF whether or not rated classes are being offered. The sanctioning of USEF says from Midnight to midnight for each day.
That is not a good example for anyone to give to those who are looking up to emulate the “great” and “famous”. Whether a young trainer or a young exhibitor.
Again, PV had to be caught before he withdrew as a judge from that Equitation Class. Not good sportsmanship even this year.
I’d like to repeat what Harry said; it is not just PV it is everyone that has been convicted or confessed or both who should not be a Member in Good Standing. I think it is as offensive that a man still sitting in jail for fraud against a horse owner, or many horse owners is a Member in Good Standing of the Federation.
I am equally offended that Joe Plemmons can on national TV admit he shot Helen Brach in the head and disposed of the body for money and be a member in Good Standing. Welcomed at our Premiere Show Circuit to sell horses to more unsuspecting clients.
Paul Valiere has his name on this petition because he is due for “Reinstatement”. Since the administration ignored my mail requesting that Joe Plemmons be banned we have every reason to be suspicious.
I sent the Executive Director the link to the TV show where he made his outrageous confessions. I have never even had the courtesy of a reply.
mxyplyzyx, I am sorry to inform you that the Pine Rest is not longer in existence. I do have an amusing anecdote in the same regard however. On the main road back to Hartford, a couple from our stable saw a crowded parking lot, and stopped in at Beers and Story, figuring it was a restaurant or bar, turned out they arrived at a wake, and had to quench their thirst elsewhere. And race, the show is NEXT weekend. This weekend is jumpers.
Originally posted by Sebastian:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
Snowbird, no one is disputing the fact that horse businesses can write off losses. The point was that the average horse owner does not operate as a business. The only one making this part of the debate case-specific is you.
And, the specifics of this case do NOT involve the “average horse owner.” PV was, and is, a “professional” for tax purposes. Therefore, Snowy’s argument is completely valid.
I’m really still amazed at how NONE of Paul’s supporters can offer a REAL argument in his favor. So far the only defense seems to be distraction from the facts. PV admitted to paying someone to kill his horse so that he could defraud an insurance company.
This does NOT reconcile with the USEF’s own mission statement:
As the National Governing Body (NGB) of Equestrian Sport in the United States we will inspire, encourage interest in, and regulate equestrian competition by ensuring the safety and well-being of horses, regardless of value or competitive level; ensure the enforcement of fair and equitable rules and procedures up to and including the preparation for the Olympic Games; and, endeavor to advance the level of horsemanship in the United States.
And, never will.
Seb </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
A ‘real arguement’?
First of all, I despise arguing…
My only case is FORGIVENESS.
I just wish people would stop for one second, and take thier feet off this man’s neck long enough for him to BE SORRY.
You have to give people a CHANCE.
There is not one person on this board who hasn’t screwed upin some way in their life, and not been offered a chance to make amends.
Perhaps our mistakes werent as incomprehensible, or made public, but we have all been granted forgiveness at one point.
Try it folks…it makes YOU a better person. 
I think the SI article was about the mess coming out and people getting prison time. This is about reinstatement. Letting the fox back into the hen house is against mainstream mores. Sponsors don’t like to be associated with that
my moral and ethical neighbor has no qualms about sending his broken QH’s off to the killers. He is too cheap to take out an insurance policy. Or too moral. and humane. The man has ethics afterall.
