Sandy M, Robert Brown is NOT Buddy Brown. Buddy Brown had left Acres Wild Farm, and was not with Donna Brown at the time of these horrific incidents.
Originally posted by Kap: Aefvue Young’un:
Anthem, it’s been said so many times I feel foolish saying it again.
He can feel remorse. That is good. That doesn’t mean he should be forgiven, and it doesn’t mean people will WANT to forgive him. Murderers in jail often feel remorse-- does that mean they should get out on parol?
KAP-but they DO.
If theyprove to a parole board that they have satisfied the requirements for re-entry to society, they are granted so.
I am not saying you have to forgive, that is a personal decision.
I AM saying the qualifications for consideration for reeinstatement have been met. The man deserves a fair chance.
Cheez!Uberraschung don’t you understand PV isn’t a threat to any of us. He’s a threat to horses because others will think it’s OK!
Good sport depends on rules of behavior and attitude. You can’t legislate that; you’ve proved how easy it can be to bend and twist and stretch them to sy what you think is OK!!
Don’t get angry because the majority of us think more about horses than as a vehicle for our own fame and success. If money was what I cared about, I could have made lots of it; heck! I could have even married for it. But, who wants to go the bank and pet your money. It can’t snort back and whinney or give you a kiss. Greenbacks are no pleasure at all.
I would like to again bring your attention to page GR67 of the 2005 Rule Book. In the article labeled VIOLATIONS.
1.c. Penalization by an administrative agency, humane society, or court of law for violation of Federation Rules.
1.h. Exhibiting any horse while in the care, training or custody of a suspended trainer.
1.i.Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of a suspended person.
VarsityHero and have you also heard of “ipso facto”?
1. He does own a horse business and employs people as well as trains them and sells horses. he has a barn in grand prix village in wellington and one in mass.
- the reason he hasn’t tried to apply is because even though he is allowed to be reinstated, believe it or not he HAS decided to not reapply as he does not want to do that kind of stuff anymore nor does he want to deal with the politics. benefits of knowing him: asking him stuff. still convinced that knowing him is not beneficial ise?
Hero my good friend! Thank you! You have proved our case. Why would someone have a barn and employees in Wellington if he did not have care and custody of horses competing at the show next door. If there are ads that thank him for his help then he gets a benefit but the persons who are riding, exhibiting to his his benefit are all in violation of the current rules.
This confirms his lack of remorse and he lack of respect for the regulation of the Federation.
How many people have been corrupted by failure to be notified that they are in severe vilation of the NEW Rules of USEF which is a totally new Federation as of Decemebr 1, 2003.
texang73 - just wanted to say - went to your website - gorgeous photographs!
Sure, but it wasn’t intentional. I think the point of the petition is people who intentionally create a loss for profit are worms.
Jane, what are you talking about? Harry has always been Harry.
Works for me, if it works for y’all!!
Anybody want to help compile the list of e-mail addies?? We need: the USEF officers/directors, USEF Executive Committee, Hearings Committee, Ethics Committee. And so on. Of course, you can also get them all at http://www.usef.org, but from the last time we got together & did this, it seemed people were more likely to actually send e-mails if there was a list right in front of them on their puter screens. 
We also need contact names at the USOC and FEI.
If no one else can, I’ll do it tonight or tomorrow. But I find myself in dire need of a horse hug, so I’m going out to take Avery for a nice little drive with his new jingle bells now. 
Well, bragging rights, wonderful prize. Just what can you brag about? That you pretended to be an authority on something?
Sheila… you seem like a reasonable person. Perhaps you can help clear the muddy waters for me. Is there a difference between the owner that sends their useless horse off to slaughter ( for pennies on the pound)and the owner that slaughters their horse for insurance bucks?
There are a few points in this entire issue that I think are completely lost.
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this point is not just about PV but all of the people who were found guilty ”" by the time someone gets to thinking it’s alright to kill someone or something for money then their moral compass has long been off kilter. What other nefarious acts have these people been party to? This is just the time they got caught and it is the most heinous act they committed. These people didn’t just wake up one morning and think, “I will have to have this horse killed for the insurance money but I am a really honest, decent person in everything else I do.” Frankly I think there is a whole pile of things that these folks have done and probably will continue to do that led them to think this was an ok thing to do. I don’t want people like that in this business there are too many of them already. People who lie, cheat and steal and abuse the very animal that their business is based on and the people who own them.
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The other thing is where in the world are the laws that apply to other animal abuse cases? People convicted on animal abuse charges aren’t allowed to own any or be involved with them sometimes for a short period of time sometimes for life. I know they probably weren’t charged with animal abuse, they were charged with wire and mail fraud and other things that are considered more important than animal abuse, but they should have been. All of these people should not be allowed ever again to be involved with horses. There is just something so very wrong in allowing someone who would do what these people have done access to horses, let alone making money from this sport again.
I do understand that PV is a talented trainer ”" and that he screwed up big time but there are many folks that were talented or brilliant in some way that have made huge mistakes in their lives and they have to pay and accept responsibility for those actions. That is life. You made your choices you live with the consequences. I am fairly certain that when a medical doctor loses their license to practice because of some nefarious act you surely aren’t going to take your children to them, even if they are brilliant. To me this is no different. Then again it’s obvious that at least in PV’s case his clients don’t think so. It would take some fairly saint like acts for me to think any of these people have changed their ways. They truly aren’t horseman. The horses are just a means to an end.
JMHO
Janet - just wanted to say - great post on the last page.
Like it or not, it was just what was done at the time.
Oh I see, it makes it okay and acceptable because that was what was done at the time.
harry, you expect entirely too much of me. I had few bracelets made for my own amusement (I do love those cause bracelets ) and for the amusement of others. If someone wants to have more made and take donations for them, thats fine, but its not something I’m interested in coordinating.
Snowbird, I’ll gladly send a few your way when they arrive from the manufacturer. 
It’s a logical thing to assume, given the PR ads that have been run over the past several years.
Starting the process now, for the “no reinstatement” side, makes logical sense, given the time frame.
If Paul does not re-apply, that’s fine. The ball will be easier to keep rolling if others attempt it.
To school his students and horses over the fences provided by the show; like any other trainer.
Snowbird, please provide (in public) a mailing address for any donations for these wristbands.
My 12 year old daughter just read “A Perfect Distance” where a similar event was written about - she was HORRIFIED when I told her it really did happen and wanted to know how anyone would intentionally kill a horse…I couldn’t explain myself
Who wrote t book onte scam? Actually after readingthat book , and, talking with some would be employersI really asked myself if I wanted tobe part of the h/j world.?
I am really glad you know all about this horrible side of horseworld Sheila H. 
Too bad you are so proud of that.
If you consider what I said, you MIGHT realize that I said that it is guilt creating. Some times there is no choice. Doesnt mean it doesnt make people feel bad.
I have been in horses for 45 years, so I guess I have seen a thing or two as well Sheila. Doesnt make it nice.
