As you say that “these” people must piss in our pots, but I don’t feel that this could be at all considered bad policy… They are showing how they disagree with the bad ideas, not committing them!
Originally posted by Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division:
Whether right or wrong, she probably knows alot more than you do.
Is that what she’s leading you to believe?
Janet, replace my use of “parole” with “probation.” You are correct. Parole is granted after having served a jail sentence. Probation is granted after a conviction without having served time.
For an insider’s view, read A Perfect Distance
Where to find?
Well that would be a good thing if we were in Ireland but in my country SLAIN means DEAD.
OK! let me try! A Real person like me would probably not be able to afford the insurance so if it wasn’t working out we’d sell it to whoever was willing to take it for whatever we could get without lying about it’s talent.
Snowbird… are you saying that PV has never sold a horse that was not working out? or he has only sold a horse that he had to lie about? Are you saying that the only loser that PV has ever sold was one that he lied about? And the horse that he killed could not be sold no matter how good the lies were? Was this before trailer transport to the opposite coast was available.?
I do not think that is a fair question to ask Anthem. She is his customer, not his bookkeeper, and even if she knew the answer, it somehow just doesn’t seem proper to ask her such a question.
Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>“what is the definition of horse murder?”
To me it would be the reason for the killing. If it is for the financial gain and ego, it would be murder. If it is in the best interest of the horse (pain? quality of life?), or maybe human safety with a dangerous horse, or even a horse that you can no longer provide a comfortable existence for, that is different. Murder is the lack of caring about the animal, and the illegal financial gain because of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What about people who send horses to slaughter? That’s not a particularly pleasant death and they do profit from it. Should all of them be indicted for horse murder as well?
Originally posted by anthem35:
HI! And Thank you so much for the compliments!!!
As is the case with any article, only particular pieces of an interview are extracted, thereby often painting a diffrent picture.
I guess I just dont know what use of media he COULD use that would provide him a chance to speak to people in person.
Do you have any ideas of what you, as a USEF member, might like to see or hear?
Since you asked…I would like to see him place a full page ad in the Chronicle (inside front cover would be nice) stating that he is sorry for what he did and, out of respect for all of the horses that were killed as well as the USEF members, he is withdrawing his reinstatement request.
Erin, I get it…I do.
But as you state, we are all entitled to our own opinions…and I do try to give mine with diplomacy.
But for every ten people that PM me to accuse me of lackling moral compass, there is 1 who does forgive.
My only hope and cause is that people take the TIME to LISTEN, and uncover the FACTS.
I will continue to respectful and polite despite the personal attacks on me, and my friends.
clint, do you use AOL? If so, minimize your AOL browser and try with Internet Explorer. Apparently petitiononline and AOL don’t work and play well together.
It is a crime to kill a horse that way…it’s called animal abuse. The only reason he wasn’t charged with that is that the fraud charges held a stiffer penalty.
Originally posted by Erin:
I also have the US Attorney’s office press release announcing Heinsohn’s indictment, and it deals only with the killing of his horse Pet Of The Year. So, it appears that he wasn’t indicted for Jatomic Streaker, and thus the more vague wording about it.
He did plead guilty to one count of making false statements.
Thanks so much for your help, Erin. The other problem, at least as I perceive it, is that every article I’ve got only says Hugi alleged that “a trainer” killed the horse, and does NOT identify Heinsohn as that trainer.
There’s too much of a legal danger zone here for my preference; I think we need to leave the poor horse off the shirts, but keep him in our hearts, send some jingles his way and hope he’s happy at the Bridge… 
But Sheila - Snowbird doesn’t kill her horses for insurance money - so there is no competition issue. 
Come on Snowbird - just because someone died doesn’t mean they can’t vote! I think Chicago proved that years ago. Why right here in our Township a 34 year old man was voting by absentee ballot from Maryland for almost a dozen years. He worked there, lived there and his mother used to be a Director of the League of Women Voters here in NJ!! Funny though …I don’t think he was paying taxes here. Maybe I should call King Corzine
Originally posted by Snowbird:
slainte! It’s not unusual for two farms to have the same name. The Acre Wild Farm in Rhode Island not Massachusetts is owned by Paul Valiere and is in good standing in spite of the fact that he is suspended. Many farms have two locations. The one in Wellingon is not listed as a registered owner of any horses.
I think slainte’s point is that the farm in RI doesn’t even exist anymore.
anthem35 I believe that once someone has used a short cut to cut his losses at the expense of a horse ( a piece of property) they canno be cured. It is a character flaw which will return in a time crisis as the child molester when off their meds or also under stress.
Really, in truth a child molester is only looking for love. Frequently, they believe that the child enjoyed the pleasures he offered.
In PV’s case the solution is more difficult because a horse lost it’s life to greed and ego. These are a far harder weakness to cure. They come back in many disguises. To my knowledge there is no medication available temporary or permanent against these vices.
Again we see Godwin’s Law come into effect, what with the reference to the Nazi’s. While I stand corrected on the concept of Felony Disenfranchement, I disagree on the other points mentioned. Yes, there is the right to apply fo reinstatement, but no guarantee reinstatement will be provided, unless of course you are a BNT with a loyal following with deep pockets to protect you and influence the committee. As far as needing to be a member to sign the petition, I believe that is not a given, the USEF allows non members to participate in their sanctioned horse shows, and gladly takes their non-member and drug fees. The people signing the petition are not voting against reinstatement, they are simply showing an opinion. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on which side of the fence you are on, the Hearing Committee will do what they want to, allegedly without the influence of either side in the matter. What is healthy here is that for once, people are unwilling to simply be lead about and actually are voicing opinion.
Originally posted by SGray:
For the record, I believe that the below list of individuals should not be allowed to join the USEF nor should they be allowed to compete as non-members at any sanctioned shows.
Richard Bailey
Nancy Banfield (she may be in but that does not alter my opinion)
Donna Brown
Robert Brown
Tommy Burns aka Tim Ray
Robert Cheska
Jerry Farmer
Tammie Glaspie
Kenneth Hansen
James Heinsohn
Dr Ross Hugi
Marion Hulick
Donna Hunter
Michael Hunter
James Hutson
Lisa Kinney
Herb Kroninger
Alan Levinson
George Lindemann, Jr.
Ron Mueller
Georg Nuber
Matt O’Connor
Laura Stern-Grzebieniak
Phil Sudakoff
Scott Thompson
Paul Valliere
Barney Ward
Dana Waters nee Tripp (courtesy of one_star_or_bust)
Steve Williamson
Brenda ‘Joni’ Youngblood
The above list includes some convicted of involvement and not necessarily former members of the (then) AHSA, thus, not all were suspended.
That is a first run-through - there are more that I will add as I review the cases.
and who are those Federal Fraud dudes? I want to add them to my list
I would think “membership” would be the logical place to start. Good idea, Limerick. 
Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>How must he have felt, letting down friends, family, clients, kids…???
Someone that had that kind of feelings for others would have never entertained the thought of killing a horse for money. A tiger does not change his stripes - he just gets more cunning. He was willing to do this because of greed & status. He is still protecting his “status” & showing his greed by staying involved with horses. A remorseful person would have gone to work in a different occupation to not have to keep hurting “his” victims again and again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, a tiger does not change its stripes.
But we are not talking about animals, we are taling about HUMANS.
Humans have the ability to FEEL remorse.
