Chanda, what we are discussing is the circumvention of the rules. That is whats appalling for many.
They are realted to the value (purchase and current).
Folks, this thread is not an invitation to share every nasty rumor you ever heard, and MOST especially if that rumor has to do with illegal acts. I absolutely will not allow it, and that is the quickest way to get this thread shut down.
There are plenty of documented acts to discuss. Please keep the discussion confined to those.
And I’m not going to allow any threats of bodily harm – even in jest – to remain on the thread. It’s out of line and not conducive to a productive discussion.
Because he didn’t dirty his own hands but paid someone to do it for him - he didn’t “kill” a horse? Can you explain how that is different
sign me up!
Thanks
Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center:
It will only be bad publicity for the sport if they are actually reinstated. It will be good publicity if it is shown that instead of us all being spoiled, elitist, rich brats with no morals, we DO have people that care about doing what is right, and making sure our environment STAYS family friendly.
AMEN, that is exactly what I was thinking.
IMO, it is people like Mason Phelps, who it seems practically runs things in places like WEF, and who runs a media company to actually promote the sport (LOL!) that will “ruin” things and turn people away from the sport with his “friends” and attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perfect Pony, I agree with you. I’m not a Hunter rider, and I’m not usually over on this board - but I have tried to follow this thread.
So far nothing has jarred me quite like Mr. Phelps use of the word “unfortunate” in describing what Mr. Valliere did.
Unfortunate - is falling off your horse at the end of a perfect round.
Criminal - is having your horse murdered to defraud an insurance company.
Mr. Phelps needs to readjust his vocabulary.
If anything would turn me off from the Hunter ring, it’s thinking that an individual with power in the sport thinks that killing horses is “unfortunate”
WA -
I vote for both. Letters to sponsers and a petition. Get them from both sides. Can’t ignore us then, or at least it will be much more difficult.
Lynda
you’re talking gems? Why not twist that one a bit more?
In any case, I am not a crook. I’ve earned everything I’ve got.
If someone has the cojones…wouldn’t it be a bit more noticeable if someone spelled out No Reinstatement in crystal on their helmet?
Erin I agree with you completely. I would also like to know how they are interpreting these rules. And why they have been enforced according to the administrative policy that no one is above the rules. There are no excuses accepted from other rules enforcement.
If someone from administration came on and answered that question it would be constructive and something we all would like to know.
With all due respect meadow lark, unless you have had a situation like this happen to you or your horse then you have no idea the lifetime of damage it causes the victims. I speak from experience and I will continue to do whatever I can to keep horse felons out of the industry!!
I meant how would PV prove that he is reformed?
Thanks WA and Snowbird for everything you are doing to promote this worthy cause.
Just snooping around
I thought a big Dawg like you would be sniffing not snooping 
PS try the hunting forum, they are an animal rights terrorists magnet. Although, I do not find the discussions to be as “spirited” 
Originally posted by ise@ssl:
And you are living proof that our education system is failing to provide even the basics of proper writing skills.
And just for clarification - how many of his riders have you seen (past & present)? Was that in person or on VHS? Does seeing them in person count more? Did he teach all of these riders from the first day they rode?
proper writing skills? please i’d love to be “educated” on what was improper about that post. IMO is short hand for in my opinion. i write in perfectly fine interest. i don’t count the riders i’ve seen, i have seen a bunch, in person. i apologize for not knowing his life story “my love.” your previous post was the most IRRELEVANT, ignorant thing i have read in my entire life.
Aaand here’s something for xegeba.
From the Chicago Trib, 10/4/95:
Veterinarian informant in horse scam is sentenced to 6 months
A longtime veterinarian whose greed overcame his love of horses was sentenced to 6 months in prison on Tuesday for helping convicted con man Richard Bailey swindle a widow in a worthless horse purchase.
Ross Hugi, 51, who operates a clinic in Mundelein, said that while he first “put blinders” on to the corruption in the horse business, he later “wallowed with the pigs of the industry.”
“It didn’t take me long to know I smelled like one,” he told U.S. District Judge William Hart.
Confronted by authorities in 1990, Hugi became the first insider to cooperate in a massive federal probe of fraud in the equestrian industry that resulted in charges against him and 22 others last year.
Hugi helped detail for investigators how Bailey, a stable owner, schemed for years to swindle rich, lonely women and others into paying exorbitant prices for broken down horses, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Steven Miller.
Judge Hart rejected defense requests that Hugi be placed on probation, imposing the prison term, and fined him $4,000. Hugi was also ordered to pay another $18,000 to cover the cost of incarceration and 3 years of supervised release.
Hugi’s lawyer, Steven Popuch, said he expected Hugi’s veterinary license to be revoked as a result of his guilty plea to the federal wire fraud charge.
I’m sure his license status could be confirmed with the AVMA, if anyone wanted to know for sure.
NO WAY! Jeez…
So does that mean Acres Wild Farm is suspended where ever it is since there are no partners listed? But if there is a new Farm name at the same place it would be OK?
All I file is a Management Group which not Snowbird Acres Farm but our new show corporation which is Northeast Regional Horse Shows, Ltd. It is a separate legal entity. Snowbird Acres Farm, LLC owns the horses that are registered with USEF as part of our Riding School.
Originally posted by Regal Grace:
Please note the following in the Equestrian periodical “Sidelines” under the H/J Ingate Section:
"We all know there’s been a huge internet move afoot to keep Paul Valliere’s ban in place. However, Marcella has been told that he’s back on the WEF showgrounds…it will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out.
There is a link where USEF members can sign a petition NOT to reinstate Paul: www.PetitionOnline.com/valliere/. It is hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service (however you should be aware they send you a confirmation which asks for support).
Here is the link to Sidelines:
http://www.sidelinesnews.com/1803/HIngate.html
Hey, quick question, WHO is this "Marcella’?
Originally posted by SGray:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by SGray:
For the record, I believe that the below list of individuals should not be allowed to join the USEF nor should they be allowed to compete as non-members at any sanctioned shows.
Richard Bailey
Nancy Banfield (she may be in but that does not alter my opinion)
Donna Brown
Robert Brown
Tommy Burns aka Tim Ray
Robert Cheska
Jerry Farmer
Tammie Glaspie
Kenneth Hansen
James Heinsohn
Wally Holly (thanks to jn1193)
Dr Ross Hugi
Marion Hulick
Donna Hunter
Michael Hunter
James Hutson
Lisa Kinney
Herb Kroninger
Alan Levinson
George Lindemann, Jr.
Ron Mueller
Georg Nuber
Matt O’Connor
Laura Stern-Grzebieniak
Phil Sudakoff
Scott Thompson
Paul Valliere
Barney Ward
Dana Waters nee Tripp (courtesy of one_star_or_bust)
Steve Williamson
Brenda ‘Joni’ Youngblood
The above list includes some convicted of involvement and not necessarily former members of the (then) AHSA, thus, not all were suspended.
That is a first run-through - there are more that I will add as I review the cases.
and who are those Federal Fraud dudes? I want to add them to my list </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
