The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

[Snowbird]

The No-Reinstatement bracelets have just been delivered by Fedex. If you have written before please send me another email and I will send them out by week’s end. It will save me searching the files.

They cost us $1.75 each plus shipping. I couldn’t find them anywhere for the price quoted by SNL. But they are here at last. I have received two checks with no indication of the number of bracelets needed.

So let’s get those requests you can pm me or email me direct with the address where they should be sent.

Little puppy feel free to seek support for the issues you think are more important. I for one would love to know what issues disturb you.

[scout33]

I apologize that my comments made those feel I am hiding beneath a cloak of anonymity. Midge, I was merely responding to PP questioning my motives and although I did not have to give my reasons for having less than 3000 posts I did respond.

Although after reading how some respond on these posts to a difference of opinion I am not sure I would want my identity broadcast across the message boards.

[system]

I was not responding to your post. I was just giving my opinion aboout the reinstatement petition. I absolutely agree that drug use should be punished as well. After all the rider is an athlete too.

[jn1193]

Think just a minute about some of the shows that go on in some of our states:

NJ (Snowbird):
Middlesex, Monmouth, Sussex County
CT: (Racetb):
Ox Ridge
NY (Harry):
Old Salem, Syracuse (including the McClay finals), Saratoga, Lake Placid and many more
VA (me & Fairview, Vabred):
Middleburg, Upperville
MD:
MD Horse & Pony, WIHS Local
IL:
Lamplight, Ledges
CA:
Indio, lots more
PA:
Devon

If we could get something done on a state-by-state level, why not? And, I’m willing to bet a lot could get done at the state level, slipped through without lawyers for a number of those coming up for reinstatement even getting a whiff of it.

Can you imagine! Someone like Paul getting reinstated by USEF, showing up at Lake Placid and finding out he can’t show because NY has banned him! Holy Toledo! What a win for the “little people”! ROFLOL!

Re: Dana Tripp. She did lose her vet license. Whether she got it back, I don’t know.

SGray, you need to add Wally Holly to your list.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

Perhaps the saddest thing was, at least in his case, it was something he did not need to do, it was not a matter of survival, and in many cases these poor horses were laughed about after their untimely ends. If it were not commonplace, a name like the “sandman” would never have been given. Such a euphemism, as if getting a shock through one’s anus was like drifting off to sleep. To this old goat, it is more horrifying because of the amount of trust these animals have for their caretakers. They live a pampered life, with generous care, until someone cannot figure out how to get more performance from them.

[Andrew]

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND… That the RED RIBBON is for AIDS AWARENESS and will be sending the WRONG message on “this topic”

[N_B_T]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ss3777:

I hope that some of the previous posters that are PV supporters/fans/neutral reflect on this sentiment. Perhaps N&B&T would be so bold as to start a new thread…

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I hesitate to do so for obvious reasons. I would like to mention that I have never met PV, and so can have no idea what he feels about his actions.

One of the things I was trying to get at with my post is that perhaps it might be helpful, for a number of reasons, to discuss the re-instatement issue a bit more dispassionately. I recognize this is difficult for many on either side of the fence.

I guess I see it as a policy issue, ultimately. In other words, denying re-admission to people involved in the episode does not have to be a choice between vilification and personal loyalty.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

It is my belief that a couple of posters were intent on getting it shut down.

[Snowbird]

Well now SNL you send me one and I will wear it to the USEF Convention and if you want to give me a few spares I will offer them to everyone there. And if they say no or if they say yes, you will all know where we stand.

Snowbird Acres Farm, 204 Schooleys Mountain Road, Long Valley, NJ 07853. I am putting it here because I am proud to be against re-instatement in these circumstances. And I don’t pretend to be anonymous.

[harryjohnson_Aefvue]

So in that case, except for perhaps some creative bookkeeping and accounting (something which he would never ever do), he might be in violation of the terms of his suspension.

[xegeba]

There are people who in good faith believe that at an auction their horse will find a home. They try not to believe that no one else wants their horse

Kinda like the people who dump their dogs on the freeway? Either someone will rescue it… or it dies. Super. i feel so much better now.

[War_Admiral]

Originally posted by SmileGee:
I want to read more about this so I am sure to get all of the facts. What is the name of the book written about it (referred to in an earlier post)? Where can I find out more information?

Hot Blood by Ken Englade is a good starting point. However, it’s now out of date b/c it fails to take the Joe Plemmons situation into account.

For the rest, it’s best to Google. Or just do a search here.

[Sandy_M]

Originally posted by TWF:
" the Appaloosa Horse Club has joined the National Federation’s equestrian family, as a 2006 United States Equestrian Federation Affiliated Association. With more than 28,000 members and hundreds of thousands of horses registered through the Appaloosa Horse Club’s International Breed Registry, it’s clear this breed will continue to command attention in the 21st century." USEF Press Release January 5, 2006

I agree with putting pressure on sponsors…even the shareholders would be interested if the Sponsors remain cool to action.

Perhaps the new members of the USEF would be interested in hearing about this issue? What other organizations outside this BB and other discussions could be contacted?
United States Equestrian Federation, Inc : Eq Sports : Breeds

Note the Appaloosa organization is not on the list from the link above. Since Western sports are now “International”…I think there are a significant number of AQHA members competing in USEF events…Now THAT’S a JACKPOT to tap!

Heck! I ride an Appy and I do NOT ride him western - he’s been a hunter/jumper and he’s now a dressage/trail horse. The AQHA is proud of the versatility of its horses, as is the APHA - someone should get in touch with them ALL! I belong to USEF, USDF, ApHC, ApSHA, etc. This cuts across all disciplines. It could (and perhaps HAS, who knows?) happened in different disciplines. It’s just the H/J guys who got caught (Thank whatever!).

Someone spoke scornfully of the anti-reinstatement folks trying to “influence” the USEF - as if that were something “wrong” or to “be ashamed of.” Do they live in some other world. When criminals come up for parole, their victims or the victims families are free to appear and attempt to INFLUENCE parole board. We are the “victim’s (horse) family!”

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

Let’s get real about who could report this.

A disgruntled worker with inside info is probably not going to have the $200. to spare. Others that may be privy to info are not going to report - because they are a buddy, or hope no one would report them if they are ever in violation.

We also should not forget the power & connections involved. A bit of fear of retribution also may keep mouths shut.

[Snowbird]

But C.Boylen you’re telling me that nobody cares! That’s pretty sick! Espewcially for somene on the Animal Welfare Committee. Don’t you think it’s a really bad example for the new young trainers? Hell! No cares, you can do whatever you need to get ahead of the pack.

[BaliBandido]

Originally posted by Erin:
I would imagine that you’re still a DVM even if your license is revoked. They can’t revoke your degree.

You just can’t practice veterinary medicine without a license… and chiropractic is not (in most states) considered veterinary medicine.

But I’m just guessing here. Maybe a vet can clarify.

My understanding is that you do have to be a vet to perform Chiro. That seems to be a big issue with AAEP that has included chiros, dentists, acupuncture etc. Of course I don’t know if that means you have to be licensed if you can prove you were at one time and therefor posess the required knowledge. Seems to me for a whole host of reasons you would have to hold a medical license if only for the purpose of insurance. Theres some irony for ya, huh?

[anthem35]

Originally posted by Sherry3313 Groom of Winners Aefvue Farms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by anthem35:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Sherry3313 Groom of Winners Aefvue Farms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by anthem35:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Sherry3313 Groom of Winners Aefvue Farms:
For those of you claiming that PV doesn’t own any horses that are showing during his suspension, this comes DIRECTLY from Mason Phelps…

"Winter Equestrian Festival Week 7 Wrap-Up, March 9-13, 2005 CN Finale, CSIO-US 4*, ‘AA’

Contact:
Mason Phelps, Jr. of Phelps Media Group, Inc. at (561) 753-3389 or at

The R.W. “Ronnie” Mutch Scholarship winner, Cathy Rolfs, placed eighth in Section A of the ASPCA Maclay and had scores of 80 in both the hunter and jumper phases of the WIHS Equitation Classic. Zazou Hoffman, the R.W. “Ronnie” Mutch Working Student winner, placed ninth in the ASPCA Maclay and also received a score of 80 in the hunter phase of the WIHS Equitation Classic. Both girls were graciously loaned wonderful horses to compete on. Rolfs rode Aristocrat, who is owned by Paul Valliere, while Hoffman rode Missy Clark’s Long Island. "

I believe that this was a wording error on Mason’s part, to which he has subsequently corrected. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jeez anthem35…you’ll say anything to defend your guy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, this is actually the truth.

Paul is NOT my guy, and he has a lovely girl of his own.

I am not defending anything other than what I believe.

Why do you feel the need to discredit me for standing up for someone I believe in? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I provided information that proved that a horse owned by PV WAS used at a recognized show-a Press Release put out by a well known “horsey” public relations company. Why don’t you show us where this information has been “subsequently corrected”. Don’t forget to include the date of its publication. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A PRESS RELEASE?

A horse owned by AWF can and is eligible to compete at any USEF competition.

[CBoylen]

Chanda, I know all about FEI and the secured stabling they require. Also, signing in & out of riders, grooms and owners. Listed times for exercising, specific rings in which schooling can be done, and the many personnel this requires by a show. This is not at every USEF show. The shows that are permitted to have these classes are specified and ratings are listed in the FEI’s roster.
What I was speaking about, was the ease which non owners, young riders and people who are interested in horses used to have in the stabling area. This was a place for many, they got to meet a big name. This was good PR for the horse industry.

I understand that YOU understand. But many people aren’t familiar with that and it was sounding like spectators were locked out of all the barn areas, and I wanted to make it clear that for the most part that is not the case.

BTW Chanda, nice job in the hack…your horse is a cute mover.

Oh, thanks . He’s just coming five in May, and this is his second time at the 3’, so the jumping was a bit rough .

[Yours_Truly]

Of course there are ways for him to apologize, if an apology reflects his true feelings: ads in The Chronicle, discussion during interviews, websites, etc.

It seems that he doesn’t feel remorse and isn’t compelled to do any of the above. No apology is better than an empty apology, in my opinion. At least you know where the guy stands. Makes it easy to pick sides. (As if it was difficult to pick.)

But here’s food for thought: if he DID apologize publicly, dollars to doughnuts there would be a massive debate over whether he really means it.

[clint]

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