The "NO REINSTATEMENT" thread.

Good post Erin.

Is there any evidence that the committee suggested to PV that he was expected to give up his profession in order to comply with the “spirit” of their ruling?

I think that would have been completely unenforcable and unreasonable and that it was expected of PV is simply wishful thinking by some people. By continuing to work in the industry and being successful is not necessarily “thumbing his nose” at anyone.

We all have only one life to life and then we die. The man enjoys horses and apparently has a great deal of talent and ability and he has every right to pursue happiness just as every other American on the planet. It is called freedom and something every one of us cherishes for ourselves but are quick to want to take away from others who offend us.

Right now our government is about do things they promised they never would including National ID cards that will have GPS capabilities and national ID numbers. Everytime we empower those in authority to chip away at our rights we give them more power to invade our privacy.

USEF recently ruled against a woman who had a private telephone conversation with a client and now some of you seem to want USEF to be able to have some authority and ability to destroy careers of offenders.

Let USEF run horseshows and let the Courts run the criminal justice system and keep an eye on both of them that they do not abuse their powers overmuch.

Many businesses keep 2 sets of “books”

So true. So true!!!

Originally posted by ponybreeder Aefvue Pig Farm:
Oh, and I should have added. My family believes in retirement. Earlier, I listed a group of retirees that I have now, I also had my show horses, Talisman, Academy Award, and 20th Century, Ltd (bought him back at the end of his career) until they died.

And there is an absolutely heartwarming picture and caption in the February 24 issue of The Chronicle of The Natural, the FEI World Cup Showjumping Final winner of 1987, in all his 30-year old retirement glory at ponybreeder’s farm in North Salem, NY.

That is how our noble equine partner’s should end their days after the hard work and glory they have given to their humans – in good weight, glossy, happy, and loved.

Bravo to you, PB.

Wow ! you guys are far to petty for me…misspellings, semantics, capital letters…its no wonder you are consumed with ruinging other peoples lives. I am taking the high ground on this one, but suggest that you take your blinders off and hypocrisy aside. ciao

Anthem- I have a question regarding remorse of PV. I think my questions for you earlier got buried, but could you tell me if you started riding with PV after this happened, and if so, does he tell new clients upon first meeting them that he had a horse killed, what led to it, how sorry he is, and that he is suspended? And does he bring it up or does he wait until they ask (why he can’t be at shows)?
I’m curious if he is willing to risk not getting new clients by expressing his remorse right off the bat.

While it is sad that the child cannot have his trainer share in winning a ribbon at WEF, it would have been possible for him to have a trainer who was welcome on the show grounds. I say shame on parents who teach their child that winning a piece of satin ribbon or a trophy is more important than integrity. You can believe, and argue that you are with the best trainer, best is a matter of opinion, and best at what, yet another opinion. There are hundreds of wonderful trainers at WEF, dozens in New England. Yes, you have the right to select who you want, my direction would be towards someone without the kind of history that haunts Mr. Valliere. For the record, I am just as much against Barney Ward, George Lindeman, Marion Hulick, Donna Brown or any of the others being reinstated. And in the beginning I was ambivalent.

Gladly Harry,

U.S.A. Horse Shows Association, Inc.
204 Schooleys Mountain Road
Long Valley, NJ 07853

Please mark the envelope
“Non-Reinstatement Fund”

If possible a return addressed manila envelope would be very convenient if it’s for a bracelet.

I will be glad to post financial accounting as we go along.

If you want to call 908-876-4200

and I can take credit cards but we lose about 3% to the credit card company.

Why are you asking? Why not him?

Plus to add to Harry’s thought, aren’t the premiums based on the value of the horse? Horse prices have gone up thus the premiums go up.

Interesting how many newbies are turning out just for this thread.

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I didn’t read all 110 pages of this but who is Jatomic Streaker and what was his role in this?

Varisty Hero, although your facts are undoubtedly researched, here is a quote from Mr. Valliere himself indicating that he will probably apply for reinstatement. This was taken from the Palm Beach Post on January 26, 2006.

""Valliere declined to comment about the movement to keep him out of the federation. Asked whether he intended to apply for readmittance, he said, “Someday, someday, someday.” “”

Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:

Also, Jane, I do not “play alters”. I was ambivalent towards this issue in the beginning, now I am NOT ambivalent. I have a very difficult time reconciling this issue, however, there is, in my opinion, only one “right”.

Fine, Harry. You certainly have a right to change your mind and express your opinion, like most people here.

BTW, how are those size 3 Chicos fitting?

IMPORTANT: Petition signatures now require approval. That means that if you sign the petition, you won’t see your signature right away; I have to approve it.

Sorry I had to do this, but our little spammers have made it necessary.

Snowbird, come now, how would one disguise Barney Ward? He surely could not wander into WPB as a fairy princess.

The U.S.A Horse Shows Association, Inc. in New Jersey for non-profit sport clubs for equestrian. It is one year old and I’m not surprised you haven’t heard because we do not have big budget for marketing.

We have delegates to a Leadership Council from about 14 states, there are no Officers and our website is http://www.usAHSA.org. I have donated this for the benefit of the grassroots to try and find ways to enjoy our sport if you can’t spend millions.

In any case what’s important is this is the kind of thing we want to help get done and as a non-profit I think we can do it to help. It fits within our charter to make sport honest and fair for everyone regardless of their financial position.

My dream is that some day I will live long enough to see this as a place than can sponsor the good riders without money so they don’t have to be politically correct to get a sponsor. And, I dream that we will have the breeding program grow to the point where we like the french can demand that both members of our Olympic Team be American bred.

I know I’m just a foolish old lady and it can’t happen but I can dream, and I believe dreams can come true. I hope that I can convince young people to believe in the same thing. And it’s just an offer. If there’s a better way Harry let’s do it.

ise@ssl I agree that it is time to define a line in the sand and say no more! We need to set examples for the new and younger trainers. Just as the IOC has started to get serious about Olympic violators we need to be seriously involved in those who have abused the sytem. There are not that many of them that we can’t request the right to be notified and the opportunity to express our opinions. There have bee two we’ve been told I don;t know who the second might be but we caught on so now it’s time for the “grassroots” to take a stand once and for all.

oh for pete’s sake it’s a SCREEN NAME!

anthem35 the fact is looking at the Calendar there are no OFF days so anytime he was there was a show day and it was illegal. The fences were set for the show and it was schooling time.

A Lunch Break or a schooling break or unrecognized or unrated classes to not put an end to the show day. I wish it would! I could save a lot of money and so could our exhibitors.