Thanks for trying Snowbird.
Nothing like a little press to make people return your phone calls.
And thanks, WA, for the props on the cafepress page. You are all the best.
Is your web page up yet?
Originally posted by Boberry:
Jatomic Streaker is a horse who was flipped out of a trailer and “finished” off with a hammer to make it look like an accident for the insurance claim.
Thanks for the info. I figured that couldn’t be a person because of the name. When did this happen? Did it happen around the same time as Streetwise? Who hit the horse with the hammer?
I think it is a valid line to draw when someone has been “convicted” of horse abuse and or horse fraud. It stays in effect until the culprit is found innocent. I think we need to start upholding a punishment of them being banned as in the Tanya Harding case.
I recieved an email today with a link to the petition, I thought that was cool because it came from a person I did not expect would be in favor of signing it. I thought this because this person is fairly well known and associates from time to time with some BNTs and BNRs that have espoused the ‘he has done his time, let it go’ point of view. I was surprised to see her signature on the list.
It got me to thinking about any of those people who are in the horse business for a living who have signed the petition. There is a certain amount of risk involved when they put their name on that list. They are announcing the way they feel about a certain big name person, who has many big name supporters in many places. They run the risk of losing a sale of a horse, maybe run the risk of losing contacts, find themselves getting the cold shoulder at shows from someone who may be a PV et al supporter.
I know that when I became aware of the petition, I knew I would sign it because I believe in it- but I did stop a moment to think of the potential consequences. While I do not often travel in the same circles as the Big Names, I have sold a few horses in those circles, have enlisted the services of some BNR as a catch rider, have enlisted the help of a BNT for some tune up/fine points for a student in a big medal class etc. I have wondered if by putting my name out there stating my view for all to see would cost me the next time I have a really nice horse for sale that would fit in the upper eschelon, will I get turned down when I ask for help or have a lovely horse that needs a name to show it? If I do, I am prepared to accept that. I suspect there are others who have signed the petition that have also decided their principles are important enough to risk the potential losses.
The horse world is pretty small and connections are important. I think that these people should be commended for willing to take the risk to their livlihood. It is easy to stand up for something when it does not have the potential to come back and cause you harm, far more difficult to do so when it can.
i have been so disillusioned with this whole situation and the fact that a petition is even necessary- but when I got the email and looked up this persons name on the petition it kind of renewed my hope for the horse community. There are more than just us little people on board!
Originally posted by anthem35:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Yours Truly:
anthem, please clarify your question:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> In what way would you offer an apology considering your audience?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
How would you, In his position, make a public apology that would reach everyone?
A letter to the Chron?
A public forum?
Its just not possible to personally reach every horseperson.
Please, I ask in sincerity…as someone who has been offended, what would it take to offer an apology? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
A full page ad in the Chronicle might be a place to start. I don’t know how many full page ads I’ve seen in the Chronicle that have thanked him for “helping” someone sell their horse, win a big class, buy a horse, train their child, etc.
Of course many of us would question the sincerity of such an ad…
One doesn’t have to agree with some of the comments and emotions stated on the thread (I don’t either) to still believe that the horse killers do NOT belong back in the USEF.
If you believe he deserves to be reinstated, that’s your opinion. But, don’t think that by stating a case of horse welfare that you are being a proponent of some bb posters who’s comments and emotions you don’t agree with. (Both sides have their, errr, outspoken proponents, correct?)
BTW he is not allowed to be reinstated, he is allowed to ask for reinstatement. Funny how you keep missing the salient points.
Are images of the wrist bands posted anywhere? I saw a band or two on the wrists of some riders I photographed on Sunday and wondered whether any of them might be wearing the no-reinstatement band.
“VarsityHero4
Training Level
Posted Feb 01, 20:26
quote:
Originally posted by Snowbird:
Oh! my and how did you manage to find a keyboard without a shift key? If you look carefully there are two on every keyboard. One is next to Z and the other is next to the ?.
maybe you need to go back to school as well snowy. believe it or not the keys on a keyboard are removable.”
Who needs wings when you’ve got a jumper?
Varsity,
take it with a grain of salt… AT LEAST THANK GOD SNOWBIRD has not gone down her conspiracy theory and bitching about the USEF. That can take several pages and she is never never never wrong except well no never wrong…
Personally my tab key and cap lock is missing off my lap top… I found one chewed up and noticed the cat likes my keyboard if you know what I mean!
Agree completely with Snowbird & TWF. Great ideas ladies!
That’s actually great news about the App peeps. I know it doesn’t seem that way sometimes, but I’m still a pretty big believer in USEF - until they give me reason not to be!
Originally posted by xegeba:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Great way to help your cause.
Could you please stop with the innuendo and conjecture… what exactly is my cause? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hate and discontent, maybe?
So Silk, did you receive your bracelets yet? 
Whats your feeling on a trophy?
Most likely because he is a start.
Originally posted by hiddenlake:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by Hopeful Hunter:
For me, this is about what is and is not acceptable practices that the governing body of my sport will allow. And I do not believe that the governing body should ever permit the destruction of the horses that are the only reason this sport exists - for nothing more than greed and vanity - to be condoned. Period.
HH is right on. My father always told me to remember the difference between an honor and a privilege. An honor is something you receive for something you’ve done well, and it’s yours to keep. A privilege is something that’s lent to you in trust, and if you abuse it, the privilege can be taken away. Winning the Maclay is an honor. Membership in the USEF is a privilege. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know I’m being repetitive but, uh-gain (sorry!) I’d also consider it a privilege to earn one’s living in Sport (capitalized for emphasis).
It’s been said a million different ways by a million different people here but… with the money involved it’s easy to forget what this is all about and why it’s particularly reprehensible. This is sport. This is recreation. This is, at the end of the day, a hobby and if the law needs to be broken and abuses committed with the ultimate end-result of maximizing someone’s enjoyment (as measured thrugh ribbons)…
well, that’s about the least sportsmanlike thing I can think of. The person who does these things or, the person for whom he does them needs a new hobby.
The examples of doctors and lawyers and stockbrokers? I’d consider this, this insurance fraud scandal a degree worse, a degree less comprehensible. Because this is not the practice of law or medicine or financial services. This is a sport.
The little cheats are bad enough and go against what we are taught as children. The little cheats, however, get second chances and opportunities to “learn from the experience.”
Not the big ones, though.
Originally posted by harryjohnson:
Is there any deviation of USEF rules when one’s trainer is under suspension, and the trainer of record on the entry blank is a trainer in the employ of the suspended trainer? In and of itself, that seems to be deceitful at best, but if the training money for the day’s activities were to go to Mr. Valliere, is it not as if he were the trainer for that day of showing?
Yes
GR702 Violations.
- A violation is any act prejudicial to the best interests of the Federation, including but not
limited to the following:
a. Violation of the rules of the Federation.
b. Disqualification by a Licensed Competition. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
c. Penalization by an administrative agency, humane society or court of law for
violation of Federation rules.
d. Acting or inciting or permitting any other to act in a manner contrary to the rules of
the Federation, or in a manner deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike
or intemperate, or prejudicial to the best interests of the sport and the Federation.
e. Any act committed or remark made in connection with the competition considered
offensive and/or made with the intent to influence or cast aspersions on the character or
integrity of the licensed officials, approaching a judge before or after a decision without
first obtaining permission from the show committee or steward/technical delegate,
inspecting a judge’s card without the judge’s permission, or public verbal abuse of
competition officials.
f. Physical assault upon a person and/or cruelty to a horse as defined in GR302.
g. Failure to obey any penalty imposed by the Federation.
h. Exhibiting any horse while in the care, training or custody of a suspended trainer.
i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or
satisfaction of a suspended person.
j. Failure to pay indebtedness to the Federation or indebtedness for hearing
transcripts or other hearing expenses arranged through the Federation.
k. Participating in any manner at a recognized competition while not in good standing
or competing horses not in good standing at a licensed competition. (See GR134)
BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
l. Prescribing, dispensing, or administering a drug by a veterinarian which results in a
finding of a forbidden substance. In the event a positive report is received by the
Federation for a horse or pony to which a forbidden substance has been administered
in any manner and the veterinarian is identified in any manner as the source of said
forbidden substance, said violation will be addressed pursuant to GR412.
BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
GR703 Penalties. - If found guilty, the accused will be subject to such penalty as the Hearing Committee
may determine, including but not limited to:
a. CENSURE. A vote of Censure will be listed under the defendant’s name in the
Secretary’s Record of Penalties. If found guilty of a further violation the defendant will
be subject to a heavier penalty than for a first offense.
b. SUSPENSION of such person for any period from showing or having others show,
exhibit or train for him or her.
(1) A suspended person is forbidden for the time specified in the decision from the
privilege of taking any part whatsoever in any Licensed Competition and is excluded
from all competition grounds during Licensed Competitions, as an exhibitor,
participant or spectator. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
(2) In addition, a suspended person is forbidden from participating in all Federation
affairs and activities, to hold or exercise office in the Federation or in any Licensed
Competition, to attend, observe or participate in any event, forum, meeting,
program, clinic, task force, or committee of the Federation, sponsored by or
conducted by the Federation, or held in connection with the Federation and any of
its activities. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
(a) Not withstanding the above, a Director may be removed from the Board or
Executive Committee only in accordance with the applicable provisions of the
Bylaws.
(b) If the Hearing Committee deems it appropriate, it may send its findings
concerning a Director to the Board for its consideration.
(3) Where practical and appropriate in the opinion of the Hearing Committee,
suspension may include the comparable dates during which the violation occurred.
c. SUSPENSION for any period of the horse or horses, owned by him or her, or shown
in any name or for his, her, or their credit or reputation, whether such interest was held
at the time of the alleged violation or acquired thereafter. The Executive Committee or
the Hearing Committee may at a later date remove the suspension of said horse or
horses if it is demonstrated to their satisfaction that a sale or transfer thereof was made
by such person, partnership, or corporation in such as to be a bona fide transaction and
not with the intention of relieving the suspended owner of penalty. See GR135.
d. SUSPENSION for any period of any volunteer or any employed person who rides or
exhibits for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of another suspended person.
e. EXPULSION from all Licensed Competitions. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
f. EXPULSION or SUSPENSION from membership in the Federation.
g. FORFEITURE of trophies, ribbons, prize money, and/or sweepstakes won in
connection with the offense committed, which will be redistributed accordingly and
payment of a fee of $200 to the competition in question. Federation points may be
nullified and redistributed at the discretion of the Hearing Committee.
h. SUSPENSION from office as steward, technical delegate, judge, course designer or
competition official.
i. REVOCATION of judge’s, steward’s, technical delegate’s or course designer’s license.
j. FINE. - Federation Affiliated Associations must honor all Federation penalties. See GR205.
GR704 Regulations as to Suspended Persons. -
The purpose of this Rule shall be to prevent the avoidance by suspended exhibitors,
trainers, coaches and other persons of the terms and conditions of their suspensions, or the
penalties intended by the Hearing Committee as appurtenant to such suspensions. This
Rule shall apply to the spouse of a suspended person as well as to any other persons or
entities, including, without limitation, companions, family members, employers, employees,
agents, partnerships, partners, corporations or other entities, whose relationship, whether
financial or otherwise, with a suspended person would give the appearance that such other
persons are riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or
satisfaction of the suspended person. - No suspended person’s spouse or companion shall assume any of the suspended
person’s responsibilities whatsoever at Federation competitions during the term of said
suspension. Companion shall be defined as any person who co-habits with, or otherwise
shares living accommodations with, a suspended person. - No suspended person’s spouse or companion may fill out any entry blanks for any of
the suspended person’s customers for Federation competitions during the term of the
suspended person’s suspension, or pay or advance entry fees on behalf of customers for
Federation competitions during said period. -
Any person who assumes the responsibility for the care, custody or control of an
unsuspended horse completely or in part owned, leased, trained by or coached by a
suspended person, must not:
a. Be paid a salary directly or indirectly by or on behalf of the suspended person; or
b. Receive a bonus or any other form of compensation in cash, property or other
remuneration or consideration such as to make up for any such lost salary; or
c. Make any payments of any kind, or give any remuneration or other compensation or
consideration, to the suspended person, his/her spouse or companion, any corporation,
partnership or other entity owned or controlled by said suspended person or to any
other person for transfer to any of said individuals or entities for the right to ride, exhibit,
coach or train for the suspended person or any of the suspended person’s customers
during Federation Licensed Competitions; or BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
d. Use the farm or individual name of the suspended person.
5. An individual who takes over the horses of a suspended trainer or coach must:
a. Bill customers directly on his/her own bill forms for any services rendered at or in
connection with any Federation Licensed Competitions; BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
b. Maintain a personal checking account totally separate from and independent of that
of the suspended person for purposes of paying all expenses of and depositing all
income from customers;
c. Pay all his/her employees working at Federation competitions, none of whom may
be employees, directly or indirectly, of the suspended person;
d. Keep checks, books, employee records and make withholding of taxes and other
regular deductions from his/her employees’ paychecks;
e. Pay all feed bills, motel, van bills, travel expenses, etc. from his/her separate and
independent checking account and preserve, for six months after the date that said
suspension is terminated, invoices for said bills;
f. If such individual makes use of any equipment of a suspended trainer, the use of
said equipment must be enumerated in detail in a written lease, the form and substance
of which must be satisfactory to counsel for the Federation and shall be at the fair rental
value for said equipment and said price must be included in said agreement;
g. File such federal and state tax returns as will reflect as his or her income the income
from said training or coaching responsibilities at Federation Licensed Competitions;
BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05
h. Not borrow funds from a suspended trainer or coach, his/her spouse or companion,
their families, corporations, partnerships or any other entities owned or controlled by
said suspended trainer or to any other person for the purpose of going into business for
himself or herself at Federation Licensed Competitions during the period of said
suspension, nor will he/she allow any of the above-named parties or entities to sign or
guarantee any notes or any type of loans to enable him or her to go into business as
described above. BOD 1/16/05 Effective 12/1/05 - Suspended trainers and coaches, and individuals taking over the horses or customers
of a suspended trainer or coach may be requested to make their books, canceled checks,
invoices, tax returns and other evidence available to Federation representatives to verify
and affirm the details of any relationship between them and suspended trainer or coach.
7. This Rule is intended to provide guidance for suspended persons and anyone
contemplating taking over the responsibility for the riding, exhibiting, coaching, or training,
of an unsuspended horse from a suspended person. It is not intended to anticipate every
potential circumstance in which the intent of a suspension may be frustrated, and the
Hearing Committee shall have the power to determine whether the facts and circumstances
peculiar to any particular case compel a finding that there was or is a violation of the rules
prohibiting exhibiting any horse while in the care, training or custody of a suspended trainer,
or riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit, credit, reputation or satisfaction of a
suspended person (see GR702h and i).
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Originally posted by jn1193:
“…we covered the “how do you insure now?” topic earlier. Basically the horse is in another barn owner’s name, not directly linked to a perpetrator’s…”
This wasn’t the point (ownership) I was referring to: my insurance company wants to know where my horses are boarded and with whom. I.e. who has care, custody and daily control. They also want to know if I move them to another location. Not to tell them might violate the terms of my coverage. So, if I were to report that I board as, for example, anthem35 does with Acres Wild Farm would they deny or rate coverage? That’s the question I’m asking.
I am sorry I should have made my response clearer. I was referring that PV does not own AWF, therefore the horse is not on his property or in his care. Then again some insurance agents act like a broker and just sell another companies policies. (Not an expert on this, just giving a brief synopsis of the topic). AWF, Inc. is different from AWF of RI 
hence why we have an active USEF AWF listed 
Originally posted by harryjohnson:
Please let her know that a woman of her age with limited experience could not handle a young colt!!!
Now Harry, are you talking metaphors here? 
Erin, I apologize. I was merely re-stating what another poster had put up on a different thread about the incidents. Her post had stood intact, so I assumed it was allowable. Sorry to make your life difficult.
Be aware if that horse wasn’t killed, there would have been no insurance fraud case against any of those involved.
Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:
You caught me on that one Anthem, I rethought what I said, and didn’t like it a bit.
Well, what did you not like?
You are correct, btw—
The finances of anyone at all is their business, AND the IRS of course.
