Trophy sponsorship would be wonderful. What a great idea.
Eloquently said, WA.
Bumping it up
Originally posted by Snowbird:
Prisons all full of people who are really sorry. I don’t think anyone is happy to have done something so anti-social that they are penalized.
We have the two men in Virginia where the Judge has made it their parole sentence that they may not participate in this industry. Will the USEF honor that court order? Will the USEF feelthey said they were sorry and the USEF is not responsible. Both men have been members in good standing while in prison.
What exactly is a Federation and what exactly are they responsible for as regulators?
They are responsible for knowing ALL the facts and making a decision based on the sentence that they delivered, and the punishment that has been served.
They have to support each other because they seem to have the same moral code. “Winning is Everything”. At any cost to someone else.
What do you think Harry are the chances they would accept this sponsorship for a HOTY Award at the next Convention?
Originally posted by oxer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Nope…USEF will listen, and they’ll pay attention. The credibilty of the NGB will be seriously damaged both domestically and internationally if the reinstatement is allowed. If the mainstream media got a hold of the story, should it happen, you can kiss any future horse show coverage by any major network goodbye.
i think this is called delusions of grandure. don’t you people have anything else to do than spend all day and night conjuring up a vendetta against a human being? what gives? you must live loveless lives. without forgiveness there can be no love.
from “seat of the soul” by gary zukow"
“though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start right now and make a brand new ending. that is what paul is doing. to those of you that refuse to forgive hime for his past mistakes, allow me some words to help guide you out of your self-imposed darkness.
one forgives to the degree that one loves. when you choose not to forgive, the experience that you do not forgive sticks with you. when you choose not to forgive, you basically agree to wear very dark gruesome sunglasses that distort everything, and it is you who are forced every day to look at life through thoses contaminated lenses because you have chosen to keep them.”
and finally:
there is so much bad in the best of us and so much good in the worst of us that is doesn’t behoove any of us to talk about the rest of us.
and finally for those in spite of everything will never give paul his due,words from benjamin jowett :never retreat, never explain. get it done and let them howl"
vanessa redfern, one who considers paul a great and loyal friend, a great horseman, and the finest trainer i have ever ridden with. my horses have never gotten better care, not have i ever gotten better instruction. and to boot he is truly one of the kindest, most giving person i have been lucky to have had in my life for 15 years. it doesn’t get any better than to ride at acres wild farm. we are a joyfull family in every way. drop in some day and you’ll see. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
“Forgive” and “Forget” are two vastly different things. And, just because we forgive does not necessarily mean we should forget.
Reinstatement to USEF would be to “Forget” and those horses deserve a better legacy than that…
And, if my “sunglasses” are distorted and contaminated…? It is only because of the crap PV and his buddies splattered on them when they decided to kill horses for profit and pride.
Seb
Originally posted by Serah:
I promised myself i wouldn’t reply to your crap anymore, but this just made me laugh out loud…Big Dawg who are you to criticize someone for getting personal…Wasn’t it you making the “daddy’s money” and “public school” comments???
Serah - big dawg is one of those “do as I say not as I do people”. The same social mores do not appear to apply to the dawg as they do to the rest of the people. The dawg thinks it’s special.
The dawg doth protest too much, methinks. …
Who needs wits when you have a handshake deal with the real mob?
Snowbird - are you sure your motivation doesnt have anything to do with keeping the competition out of business?
He hasn’t yet applied, Sherry… Won’t be eligible to until April.
Originally posted by Bumpkin:
Thank You!!!
Got mine today.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive:
Ok, I’m gonna mention one more time that I have bracelets that read No Reinstatement. If you want one, please PM me and I’ll send one on to you.
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And one more time I ask who gets the profits from your sales of these bracelets…why not be honest and go on EBay to sell your trinkets?
Originally posted by Snowbird:
Well we bombed at the Convention. I ws referred by a Member of the Board and Bill Moroney was supposed to bring it up to the Hearing Committee Meeting and he never did. Without an opening to discuss it the papers I had with me didn;t do any good.
I was very depressed that there was no interest at all in preventing felons guilty of crimes against horses from being members in good standing. Actually Kenneth Berlin who is in jail is a member in good standing. I find this very perverse.
There was a lot of RAH! RAH! aren’t we wonderful but not much interest in our issues. Although there was a survey that showed their big problem was communication and support for the “grassroots”. This was convention that focused on what was being done well and didn;t want to hear about anything else.
I’m beginning to believe that going to the Press is the best way to get attention. Anyone with good press contacts out here and interested?
As a USEF member and someone who signed the petition using my number, that non-reaction by the USEF makes me very angry. They should at the very least acknowledge that there are USEF members that are greatly against horse killers being allowed to be USEF members.
We can’t give up-our voices deserve to be heard. If USEF officials can write columns in magazines encouraging people to retire their horses properly, they can acknowledge that many horse lovers are still appalled by the murders of at least ten wonderful horses.
I think it’s time to take this story to the press for sure.
I was just on the USEF site and looked at the suspension list. Anyone know why PV’s horses (Acres Wild) suspensions are listed as starting 01/01/01 whereas the Cellular farms suspensions are dated from 1998. 
One is done by a method that the AVMA states is humane and the other ways aren’t (Especially the crow bar one).
and I don’t give a rats ass what the AVMA or you or Snowbird considers “Humane” . Try to quantify the crowbar versus the smell of death. The alligator clip is a godsend IMHO.
There was an article in SI about this mess… did sponsors jump ship?
Originally posted by C.Boylen:
Sure. Then my work as a committee member will be for the benefit of both his horses and yours. Presuming of course that you are also a USHJA member. There are no distinctions between members in good standing.
Umm, I think I’ll pass on that.
Oh and Jane, try to keep up.
What does ‘guilt-creating’ mean? Sounds like some leftist boo hoo hoo crap to me.
Originally posted by radio talk Aefvue Farms RCA:
In order to file a protest, you need hard facts. Not so and so is training for him. You need documentation. Even canceled checks can be gotten around. I got paid for selling a horse, legal. I took so & so to a show, legal. Feeling that a rule has been misused is not enough.
The difference is that, in THIS rule, the USEF can demand to SEE the financial records. So you don’t have to already have them. but you would have to have enough “circumstantial evidence” to convince the USEF to use that option.
It is not acceptable, period! It is fraud pure and simple. Which several seem unable to comprehend… 
Originally posted by harryjohnson:
Thank you for the info, Snowbird. Does your organization have anything working in Connecticut?
Harry,
I am proud to be a usAHSA rep in CT. I would be happy to “share the job,” or to provide additional information. My email is in my profile, or you are welcome to PT me.
Race, in my world, all that matters is who is holding their glass ready for me to pour! The reason I go to the shows is for the party, and if I have anything to do with it, the party is a grand one.
Posted Feb. 11, 2006 12:29 AM
Okay, I have a question that I am not sure has been asked yet. What would have happened with these horses (killed for insurance), had they not been insured?
Obviously it was felt that for whatever reason the horse was not living up to its billing, or was not performing well enough for a certain rider or whatever reason that made killing them seem to them like a viable alternative. If they had not been insured and therefor no way to recoup the costs, what would have been done then? Would they still have died mysteriously because they were an embarrasement (percieved) or as a way to hide the fact that they were not as good as buyer had been led to believe? Would they have been sold down, given away, what?
First… the buyer in PV case was PV. So … the only thing he was dealing with was his own bad roll of the dice. Second… if there was no insurance policy… the horse goes to the killers… just like every other horse that is lucky enough to be owned by an a**wipe who thinks of them as a commodity and does not have enough money to insure them. some of these people are in good standing with USEF.
