Patronize you? I apologized and admitted I had made a mistake. Let me try again.
I am sorry anything in the tone of my posts led you to believe I am patronizing you in any way.
You’d be amazed at the things which send posters into attack mode. 
Just mention your tack noseband 
Kill an animal or not? Hmmmm - sounds black and white to me
All the ones I have met have been. 
“Typical of that twisted old fruit to complain about something he created.” Have to admit, that is a good one Sheila H. 
Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:
I would like to add that someone named on the “horse welfare” committee of USHJA should have a very difficult time backing someone who was found guilty of killing a horse with the intent of collecting an insurance premium.
I don’t see Chanda backing anyone. I see her trying to insist that people concentrate on facts instead of crazy rantings, which is not easy around here!
I just read in a free issue of Equine Journal that David Oliynik (sp?) is going to work at Acres Wild and take clients to shows so that PV can stay at home. Thought that was interesting… Maybe someone else can post the actual quote from PV. I was going to, but my copy seems to have already gone out with the recycling.
Psst-Xegeba-“defending” isn’t an emotion. It’s an action. There’s also a little icon at the bottom right of your post that lets you edit, instead of posting 42 times in a row. Unless you’re going for quantity vs quality.
It’s pretty well known that PV, BW and GL weren’t exactly hurting for money when they had those horses killed. Do a little research.
Then you haven’t read my comments. I keep telling you folks that each of those suspended has the right under the rules to petition for reinstatement as each received a specific letter telling him/her what they needed to do to be reconsidered. Further, you shouldn’t be signing a petition if you are not even a USEF member, otherwise you look like you are just an animal rights terrorist. If your only response is to tell folks how many posts I have made on these 56 pages [6], then maybe you should try an add something or else just turn your computer off.
It’s your recent posts where you are harassing other people about how they spend their time which is none of your business are even less worthy.
The more you protest and get concerned about what other people are doing the more it leads people to believe that this is hitting pretty close to home for you.
Turning my computer off is not an option, since it’s part of what I do for a living.
Originally posted by Snowbird:
I have always been interested in this whole sexist issue. Technically the X chromosone is an error and they have already proved in many species that they can reproduce females without the contribution of the male except you only get more females and that would so boring I don’t want to go there.
That’s always been the big issue of the virgin birth, it is possible but then Jesus would have had to be female.And was it only his current male chauvinist world that decided he was male? Any evidence? Did you see see the TV documentary about Pope Joan?
And no I am not a female chauvinist nor a Lesbian, just a student of the mind who enjoys keeping both sides in perspective.
Not a biologist either
Without the X chromasome there would be no females at all.
Female = XX
Male = XY
Sheila, we are in total agreement. Your awesomeness definitely speaks for itself.
Webster. Awe. N. dread
I shall let you all get back on topic now.
Originally posted by War Admiral:
4 - Finally, your thought for the day. Has YOUR trainer signed it?? My current one has; but interestingly, two of my former ones have not. As a client, this would frankly make me a little bit nervous. It strikes me that trainers who do not sign are basically saying “I reserve to myself the right to kill horses for insurance money at some future time…”
WA, I appreciate what you are doing, but with all due respect, I find the above statement offensive. My decision not to sign the petition does not in ANY way suggest I approve of PV’s actions, nor that I would ever under any circumstances consider harming a horse for any reason. I know there are others who feel the same way as I do.
A word of unsolicited advice: Please do not generalize like this. In doing so, you may well alienate people who in many ways agree with you.
I think I can get away with cutting most of the last paragraph of the Hearing Committee stuff. Would that make it better?
plea bargaining is what makes our justice system work first of all. And I know one of the indicted personally and if it weren’t for his testimony half of the people, who were convicted of crimes way more heinous than his, would never have been convicted!! Second of all, suspension from the USEF is a sentence in its own…
A quick question, if I may…IF Mr. V does seek reinstaement, how long will this process take? Will it be granted immediately (at a hearing) or will this have to go to a committee(s) for consideration? If so, how long could this possibly take? (Pardon my ignorance of USEF procedures and protocol).
I should receive the wristbands by January 27th. If those of you interested would email me privately so I can print out the messages with your address and phone number it will be easier for me to keep track of all the orders and donations.
It doesn’t print easily from this web site. They are in two sizes 8 3/8 or 7 3/8. Let me know what sizes you prefer.
send to: vikki@usahorseshows.org If you want to donate by credit card I will cover the credit card discounts so the full amount goes into this account.
If you send checks make out to USA Horse Shows Assn. note for the: No-Reinstatement fund.
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Judging from the reaction at the Convention I think it would be a great idea to also put red Ribbon on trailers, stalls anything else you can think of at all horse shows.
Let me know if you want printed ribbon and I’ll look into getting it. What do you think of printed stickers to put on all entry forms?
Jumphigh did you hear that thunderous thud??? I think it was your barnfull of horses dropping to their knees and kissing the ground because of the fact you don’t associate with PV>
Originally posted by Snowbird:
Do we know who that trainer was? So we have the vet falsifying the medical cause for that horse but it’s the trainer that’s the culprit in my book.
What if the vet suggested it to the trainer? I'll sign the papers and we split the payout. Trainers don't take no oath , Snowbird. And how do you feel about fine dining with Dr. Hugi? let's pretend he pays.even if we take the slaughter out of the country… can we take the slaughter mindset out of the people that choose that route?Although , a bullet through the head is far better than the stockyard. Thinking out loud here.
Originally posted by Snowbird:
“in the best interests of the sport and the Federation”
ROFL! Well, those two words are definitely mutually exclusive 
Now, dudes…I doubt reinstatement’s gonna happen. Remember, while the rest of the usual suspects were in court getting real prison terms…our fair haired boy was wearing a wire, turning states evidence on the very people he approached to kill the horse…and parking his canary singing, Porsche driving, butt in the WPB parking lot, two feet away from Jane Clark… expensive walkie talkie in hand. Now, you and I both know that there are a couple of folks on The List that aren’t gonna be too happy if PV is forgiven, whilst they were offered up as bargaining chips…just a thought
I just read my last post and want to be clear on something. When I talk about not ‘offending those who may have louder voices and more clout’ etc I am in no way suggesting that our voices are not important and we don’t want to risk upsetting the big boys. Trust me anyone who knows me will tell ya that just ain’t the case!
Maybe this little story will clarify what I am trying (desperatly) to say-
I had a client once who was getting a divorce, we at the barn had been witness to some of her husbands less than ideal behavior and supported her and really did feel she was justified in what she was doing. She had days where she was understandably down or angry or frustrated, but she always maintained some sense of logic and reason about the situation.
We had a barn party where the husband and father of the child attended. It was a bit unexpected as he was not a big presence at the barn- but he did have the right to be there and while he was there he was polite, civil and his actions and demeanor were acceptable for the situation.
I suppose she felt like he was intruding on her last refuge or maybe she had just had a bad day or whatever- but this gal lost her mind. She became upset, a little verbally rude and not to rational.
Now those of us that knew what had been happening kinda understood, but the way she came off to those that were not really in the know was not good and was not a true representation of how she was and had been actually handling the situation. Those people saw her behavior at that one point and time and formed the opinion that maybe this was how she was all the time and it made them feel for the husband (who really was a toad). Some of the people who did support her had some doubts as well once they saw or heard about the (relatively minor) ruckus. She lost some credibility and I am sure to some people the opinion formed at that moment never changed because they never were around much before or after that display. It was kind of the attitude of ‘well he may be a jackass, but she ain’t looking all that easy to get along with either’ so people just remained in neutral. Hard to know who to support when both sides look less than desirable.
That is something we don’t want to happen here, we don’t want to seem so over the top that it scares people to be associated with our ‘side’. The facts are the facts, they speak for themselves, if the NGB was not aware of the opposition to reinstatement before, they are now. Keep it on the front burner- yes, but don’t make the flame so hot that people back away.
We see it on the BB in several ‘hot’ topics- slaughter, drugging, draw reins etc- people will ask a question, there will be replies that are informative or offer opinions, then there will be someone (there is one in every crowd) that comes across so strong, so absolute, so black and white, so over the top that they lose all credibility and are labled a fanatic or the slaughter, draw rein etc police, and it turns people off, it pisses them off. Same thing when someone ‘hijacks’ a somewhat related subject and turns it into yet another way to preach their views. How many times did Roulett (and others I am sure) get accused of this? What was the reaction and the ultimate feelings that resulted? I see trying to connect this issue with the program on t.v as hijacking and fear it will be recieved the same way as it is on the BB. Shoving something down someones throat at any and every opportunity no matter how right you may be or think you may be rarely works to draw people to your line of thinking, so they tune you out and then your message, which may be a damn good one is lost due to the way it was presented.
There- clear as mud?
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