I think it should be a separate thread specific for proposing the Rule Change. I’ll start it and let’s see where it takes us.
friend, a great horseman, and the finest trainer i have ever ridden with. my horses have never gotten better care, not have i ever gotten better instruction
Sorry, not a horseman. That word and his name should NEVER appear in the same sentence together. What is it that you do not understand? A true horseman would not kill a horse for insurance money, to save face, because of greed, because of pride. They would find the horse another job, realize they made a mistake and move on. That is the nature of the sport.
When is someone going to realize the horses come first? Everything should be about them, making them comfortable, happy and keeping them safe. It is our responsibility to make sure they are safe, not murder them because they didn’t pan out. They allow us to ask them to do things they really weren’t meant to do, they trust us and rely on us to take care of them.
You do know that people who commit crimes in a profession, while they may have served their time, are NOT allowed to practice their chosen profession. That goes for Doctors, Lawyers, Stockbrokers, Teachers, Accountants. Why is he so special that it should be different for him? He has managed to not really have served his suspension, he has managed to be too special for that too.
PV needs to get a new profession = "Do you want fries with that? "
Maybe then people would let it go. He does not belong anywhere near a horse. It’s not a vendetta, it’s not vengence, it’s just wrong. The horses have no voice, we are their voice.
I wish the man a long and happy life, just not in this business.
Lynda
sorry about the caps guys but could someone who knows address my questions
thanks
[B]On a more pertinent issue. Here is the link to a page which has photos of the two types of bracelets with order information and links to the petition as well as a copy of the Petition Verbage. And a link to a pdf version for printing out to circulate at shows and stables.
http://www.usahsa.org/Bracelets-No-Reinstatement.htm
You can add this link to your signature as well War Admiral[/B]
Originally posted by anthem35:
The reason his kids do so well is that he WORKS. HARD.
<span class=“ev_code_RED”>i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit , credit, reputation or satisfaction of a suspended person.</span>
So why would a responsible person that was trying to clean up their reputation, put kids at risk, by allowing them to be in violation? That ALL BY ITSELF shows just what he is made of, and where his heart truly still is… all about HIM.
A local investigative reporter might like to have the scoop on the story and the bracelets…
I love that idea. It would be great for the investigative team set up a hidden camera on PV at a show and watch how he “coaches”. Once they explain the whole situation I bet a lot of people would be interested. Plus the USEF could not ignore that kind of publicity.
Chanda, backing someone found quilty of insurance fraud in the death of a horse, is hard to understand when that person is seated on the Horse Welfare Committee of the USHJA. Stating that you are only concerned with current issues is also not readily understood.
And by the way. This happened to my family. I don’t appreciate your saying we have a singular view-point.
For every 100 policy holders… how many hire hit-men to kill their horse?
Please tell me where it was offensive?
Zanny…No, broodmares used to be an excellent tax shelter…no more! With a string of expensive horses…you end up paying the horse’s worth in insurance premiums in 3 or 4 years…it just makes more sense not to insure.
Adventurebeachponies, your point is well made, but I would argue that PV has come pretty d@mn close to getting away clean. His business continues to thrive, and is only marginally impacted by the suspension which prevents him from personally setting foot on the competition grounds.
In that respect, he doesn’t really NEED the chance to start over - because he hasn’t lost much; there is nothing to rebuild!
Convicted child molesters can do their time and go on to be reintroduced to society. That does not mean they will be given the opportunity to be a grade school teacher or daycare worker.
I would argue that PV’s case is much the same. And yet he has been able to remain in the horse industry, and continues to earn a very good living doing so.
Yes, he cooperated with the authorities after he was caught. You could not convince me he did it out of remorse for his actions. Those who “cooperate” in such exercises almost always do so out of personal interest - in the hopes of getting lighter sentences - and I don’t doubt that that was the motivation in PV’s case as well.
Reinstatement for this individual is more of a moral statement than any type of economic or professional issue. That official “forgiveness” is not something that I feel is appropriate, especially coming from a governing body that claims as one of its principal objectives the goal of protecting the welfare of our competition horses.
BW credit…
"On a cold Friday night in South Florida, Molly Ashe and Jane Clark’s Neuville were on fire, racing to victory in the $100,000 Lexus National Horse Show Jumper Championship, presented by Chesapeake Petroleum.
The Friday night class, part of the “Jumping Under the Stars” presentation, was the big money event of an Open Jumper Division that offers over $366,000 in total prize money. The $100,000 Lexus National Horse Show Jumper Championship, CSI-W presented by Chesapeake Petroleum, a World Cup Qualifier, was scored FEI Art. 238.2.2, Time First Jump-Off.
Ashe was thrilled to get to the winner’s circle so early in her partnership with Neuville. “It’s my first win with Neuville,” she said. “Jane Clark bought him at the World Cup Finals from McLain and Barney Ward. So, it’s a bit of a transition from McLain’s style of riding to my style of riding. In fact, McLain told me that my whole body equals his left thigh,” laughed Ashe. “We’ve been close though. But it’s been four faults here, four faults there. I haven’t done many jump-offs with him,” she said. “This was my second one. So I didn’t know if I had shot or not, but I just thought I’d do the best I could. I thought, he’s got enough experience, so I just trusted his bravery.”
http://horsedirect.cowboy.com/newsstories/ahpnewsgroup/horsenews021.shtml
SCRM, I suggest reading the entire thread before you post in order to understand the most recent posts. 
I am still wondering if anyone has a link to the video of Streetwise?
Roseau Platiere
I’m sorry to sound naieve, but was Roseau Platiere actually killed at the Sugarbush horse show?
This whole situation continues to make me feel ill. 
Originally posted by scout33:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
Funny that, we could say the same thing about you? It appears you joined 2 days ago only to defend PV - who exactly are YOU?
First I don’t think it’s any of your business who I am. But since you choose to attack me and my reasons for joining I will respond.
I had been a member on these forums previously but forgot all my information as I had my laptop stolen when my car was broken into. The authorities told me to create all new screen names passwords etc on anything that was on my computer since identity theft is a big issus. SO, no I did not just join to defend PV and how dare you question me and my intentions on this forum. I am doing what everyone else does on this forum, which is express an opinion which I, as are you are entitled to, regardless if we agree or disagree.
I also am an active member in the H/J community and have been for over 20 years. SO sorry I haven’t been able to post over 3000 times like you have.
I’m not questioning your intentions, merely pointing out that you are in fact hiding behind your anonymity. And I do believe your intentions were to join to defend PV, why else have you just joined 2 days ago and have 18 posts in 2 days only on these 2 threads?
I don’t care if you defend him or not, voice your opinion or not. I was just pointing out that what you are accusing others of doing you are doing yourself.
And fwiw I may have a lot of posts…that would be because I am busy supporting myself with a job sitting in front of a computer 10+ hours a day and multi-task which includes convesing with people so I don’t go brain dead.
OK peeps, we’ve got 1966 signatures. Let’s get crossposting, and see if we can’t get it over the 2,000 mark by midnight! 
was wondering if anyone had any links to photos of the horses? I think seeing these amazing animals will drive home the insane amount of cruelty involved to commit such heinous (sp) acts. I cannot imagine…
I was wondering the same thing. I looked but was unable to find any online. I searched for Rub the Lamp, Streetwise, and Belgium Waffle…
I’d certainly sign it, but I don’t think I’d be much help with the wording, etc. Honestly talking about crowbars smashing hind legs and electric probes up the butt certainly speaks for itself. Maybe you could get the ASPCA involved? I also keep in touch with some TB rescue groups and I’m sure I could get most of them to sign. I think a little networking by each of us and USEF will have quite a large contigent to deal with.
SCRM
Greenie
Posted Feb. 20, 2006 11:16 PM
The horrible secret of adulthood is that all the snitches are the ones running the place!
I disagree.
