What the hell are you talking about? Everyone and their brother has emphatically stated that the stupid bracelets are selling at cost.
I think it is one of those rules that although well intended, is not specific, and thus difficult to enforce.
Equestrian magazine would problably take the advertisement on ONLY if an opposite-view advertisement was placed by supporters. One would have to think that they are forced to be bi-artisan in this matter.
Ah. And now the intimidation tactics begin. How very unsurprising.
I would suggest that you read the entire thread, as well as the entire petition site, before commenting any further.
Also, please be cognizant that libel laws work both ways.
Sheila, if you can’t participate in this discussion in a reasoned way, you’re not welcome to participate. Your choice… you either elevate the level of your discourse, or you leave.
Tsk! Tsk! anthem we have proof from his own esteemed friend that two rode and won on his horses. That’s a really big No-No for those inexperienced students of his. Imagine that they had won and had to forfeit their ribbons and victory. That would have been very sad for them.
Thank you for the concern Duffy but I’m breathing just fine. I am enjoying reding anthem35’s posts very much for all his insight and the close proximity he seems to share with PV. They must be very close indeed. If it’s not his wife it must be his boyfriend.
“…we covered the “how do you insure now?” topic earlier. Basically the horse is in another barn owner’s name, not directly linked to a perpetrator’s…”
This wasn’t the point (ownership) I was referring to: my insurance company wants to know where my horses are boarded and with whom. I.e. who has care, custody and daily control. They also want to know if I move them to another location. Not to tell them might violate the terms of my coverage. So, if I were to report that I board as, for example, anthem35 does with Acres Wild Farm would they deny or rate coverage? That’s the question I’m asking.
Snowy - you might be able to get around USEF rules and accusations of discrimination by applying rules of local or other organizations, i.e. USAHSA for example, which could have a rule prohibiting anyone convicted of certain offenses such as those being discussed here from showing at shows recognized by said organizations. In other words, why is it only the USEF that should be able to set people down. Hmmmmm?
It just strikes me that it might be easier to get the job of exclusion done on a local or state level than it might be on a national one. Most of us who are involved at the state level are bigger fish here in our little ponds than we are to USEF. And, frankly, I can’t think of many large shows that aren’t recognized by state organizations.
It’s a back door, but it’s a door. And, you know, we’ve argued on so many threads about how USEF just ain’t getting the job done on so many levels for anyone except high performance. There’s got to be another way to skin this cat. So, thoughts.
And, I agree with Harry. If we can stay away from the hostile stuff and work on possible solutions, this thread still has legs!
So no one posting on this thread has the proof of a violation AND the desire (+ $100) to file a complaint?
Originally posted by Sheila H:
I dont think Eric Lamaze has ever been convicted of a crime.
yes, he was arrested going into Australia, and then deported.
Sheila were you sharing the sperm or the egg?
I know you had another incarnation which is why you have such great comprehension.
it has to do with morality and what we will leave behind for the generations that will follow all of us.
EXACTLY!!! 
We are loosing morality and respect in this country quicker than anything. Kids AND adults today need to realize there are consequences that must be paid for thier bad judgement. If UESF would even entertain a thought of Reinstating ANYONE who abused, killed, or contracted to kill these magnificant creatures would be adding to the continued moral decline of our sport and country!
Two points:
First: Would we even know if PV applied for reinstatement? I have not seen official notices of upcoming hearings, just notices of action taken. Anything to be done about that (like a mole inside the USEF…)?
Second: I think Erin and everyone at COTH has made a herculean effort to keep this thread open so we can continue to discuss this issue. It would have been far easier to close the thread many pages ago and stifle the discussion – both easier on Erin and easier on COTH’s legal counsel which has, undoubtedly, been called upon to make sure that COTH stays out of trouble by allowing this discussion to take place.
I think we all need to appreciate COTH and thank it for giving us this forum to express our opinions and concerns – and even let some of us get right to the edge of the unacceptable, without closing the thread to the rest of us. (I speak as one who has had a post deleted, but still lives to post another day — Thanks, Erin!)
Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:
Sandy M, Robert Brown is NOT Buddy Brown. Buddy Brown had left Acres Wild Farm, and was not with Donna Brown at the time of these horrific incidents.
Thanks, Harry, I just wondered. I knew I had read that Buddy had not been involved, but someone previously associated with him had been, so when I saw this clinic notice I was curious.
Originally posted by mwe:
…it was acceptable at the time…
I am not sure what planet you showed on, but it was never acceptable at the time…
Oh, and before you ask, Yes, I showed back then, I still show today, I even rode with one of the major offenders back then.
BTW, what does showing have to do with the merrits of people’s feelings? If you dont show, you cant be against reinstatement??
War Admiral -
don’t you realize that other “horse killers” have already been reinstated? Nancy Banfield (as I was corrected on another thread) had the same 10 year punishment. She’s been reinstated.
I don’t see clearly how you are truly passionate about this no-reinstatement for horse killers. You are only zooming in on PV because he happens to be in the spot light.
And as for the person who asked if the ASPCA keeps an “eye” on Paul’s horses… I will gladly inform you that they are some of the best kept, best looking, and best treated animals on the circuit.
Also, FYI - Acres Wild Farm is not suspended from USEF. Horses can be owned by AWF and shown under the name, legally, rightfully so.
It’s about press isn’t it. Hence the petition.
Every thread on this issue causes a lot of emotion on both sides – that’s not new and no one should be surprised by it.
Even so, I’m not sure I see how that turns a member driven/grass roots petition into a ‘bad thing’. Just because you don’t like one thread, a group of BBer’s, or even one individual doesn’t make the petition bad.
I’m sure when I’m presented with petitions on other topics (e.g., someone running for office) that there would be names on the petition I don’t like and people I don’t generally agree with. But I don’t scrutinize who signed the petition, I just read the begining and see if I agree with the statement and add my name to the bottom if it’s true for me.
A lot of people have signed the petition in question who don’t read these boards – it’s not about threads…or the people involved. For me, it’s about the principle.
Yes! As of December 1, 2003 this is an entirely new Federation and as such not bound to past procedures and penalties. They did not succeed the AHSA but are a new entity.
as long as you ponder my question. I promise to be nice and concise.
Was your family one of the horse owners? Did you file for the insurance? Are you one of those involved
Why would someone attempt to add an opinion on this thread without the benefit of at least reading the thread, first.
Not only are you showing your lack of understanding, but you are coming across as ignorant of the facts.
Please don’t address my family’s situation again. You don’t have a clue.
