Dude, petty and contentious, I think I simply follow your lead. The good of all this is, with your focus on me, you have left everyone else alone! And as far as being a big dawg, woof woof, the good thing about that, with a big dawg, we can see where you are coming from, I fear the ankle biters far more.
Chanda pray tell what are you drinking, smoking or ingesting to come up with that? You keep taking things out of context, then try and turn them into something they most certainly are not. Thought someone your age would be out on a date. Isn’t friday nite date nite?
Originally posted by JuniorJumper01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”>Originally posted by harryjohnson Aefvue Senior Gardens:
What about this situation, the USEF is a private organization. In truth, they are upholding the suspensions that were in place by the AHSA. A suspension was indefinite, with ability to apply for reinstatement this year. There is nothing that says reinstatement must be granted.
What’s your point? There is also nothing against reinstatement, so I don’t know what, exactly, you’re trying to refute/prove.
The suspension was definate in its length of time, so again, I’m somewhat confused. 
The only thing that is somewhat subjective is as to whether or not Paul has shown what the AHSA deemed to be a reformation.
It peeves me that those of you who have not met Paul nor know of what he does when the media isn’t all over him can come on here, also unidentified, and say that he hasn’t done anything for the benefit of the horse community. Consider that when you wonder why he’s afraid to talk to the public… </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
My point is that he is eligible to APPLY for reinstatement, as are all of the other individuals suspended in conjunction with that incident. Eligible to apply does not mean automatic reinstatement because he has donated money to animal charities, etc. What peeves ME is the fact that some people think that those of us against reinstatement have never met Paul or know what he does when the media isn’t all over him. What also peeves me is that there are a number of people on here defending PV’s right to be reinstated, yet you don’t hear those very same people going to bat for Barney Ward, George Lindeman, or Marion Hulick. If you want one of them back, they should ALL be back.
Originally posted by big dawg:
sorry, am not used to these chat room rules and etiquette, etc. this is new for me and i am doing some research for an article i am writing. i was warned about these chat rooms and am finding maybe the warnings were correct. seems there is not much room for differing points of view.
and please you don’t need to attack when you reply.
Anyone knows basic computer ettiqeutte is that caps represent shouting. You make yourself sound like a journalist, if this is true then you need to go back to school. When using an i please capitalize it (I).
Excuse me C.Boylan but you limited your debate to Article 704 on GR68 however…
Article 702 on page GR67 is more difficult to evade.
[B]
GR702 Violations
- A violation is any act prejudicial to the best interests of the Federation, including but not limited to the following:
c. Penalization by an administrative agency, human society or<span class=“ev_code_red”> court of law </span> for violation of Federation Rules.
g. Failure to obey any penalty imposed by the Federation.
<span class=“ev_code_red”>h. Exhibiting any horse while in the care and training or custody of a suspended person.
i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit , credit, reputation or satisfaction of a suspended person.</span>[/B]
I think by virtue of all of your statements and those others who ride with PV you have certified that all of you are in violation of these rules. By placing people in violation of these rules PV has proved that he has no remorse and no intention or regard for his penalty as worth following.
Further he has corrupted the system by permitting those who are his friends to be in jeopardy of being violators of these rules and therefore subject themselves to penalties by the USEF.
Wouldn’t it be a pity if he were re-instated and all his clients were then suspended?
Originally posted by xegeba:
See, I can wrap my peabrain around the lack of morals and greedy thing. I simply cannot give a thumbs up to the person that sends the 25 yr. old mare off to the slaughterhouse cause she no longer makes sense. I do not understand people who dump the dog on the 101. I want to shoot the dog owner who gives away the 10 yr. old dog…cause they are moving. People who don’t pull over for the stray that is in the middle of the road… disgusting excuse for a human.
You know, xebega, I find myself agreeing with you–mostly 
–on the above.
I suspect that quite a few people on this board do also. If you look, you will find a number of threads about horse slaughter; I urge you to read and participate in those threads and to take whatever action you feel you can to oppose slaughterhouses–and to find a solution to the problem of how to deal humanely with unwanted horses (however they came to be in that category).
I think the fact that you–and others–are raising the issue of slaughter on this thread in a less than clear manner is confusing people. Maybe, for some of you, your intention is to toy with people’s emotions–in that case, may I suggest a finding a different way to while away your time?
If not, if the above is sincere, please realize that a lot of people who may in fact agree with you, are, in addition, just as appalled about the horse-killing incidents as you are about animal abandonement.
The petition–and this thread, by the way–is about the horse-killings. ALL of them. As has been stated numerous times, the petition now available names only one individual because the opportunity to apply for reinstatement comes up one at a time.
One more time–the individual named will not be prohibited from making a living in training and sales. His expertise will be available to anyone who wishes to work with him. He simply will not be able to operate under the aegis of the USEF.
I can well believe that those who know this individual may feel conflicted about supporting the no reinstatement petition. For those people, I will say that I have a connection–in an entirely different field–who has been banned from practising his profession for offenses that, while serious enough to warrant the consequence, are far, far less serious than the horse-killings. I have a debt of gratitude to this connection, and am, in a personal sense, concerned and saddened about his future. But I cannot in good conscience say that the consequences should have been withheld simply because I know him.
I hope that in future posts, people will stay on topic and refrain from extreme and non-constructive remarks.
My sock basket is available to all who feel they may need help with that. 
GR702 Violations
- A violation is any act prejudicial to the best interests of the Federation, including but not limited to the following:
i. Riding, exhibiting, coaching or training for the benefit , credit, reputation or satisfaction of a suspended person.
What do you all think is TRULY the INTENT of this rule???
Sherry, I would think the answer to that is another question. Did PV perform “charitable acts” prior to his suspension? I don’t know the answer to this. If he only started after his suspension, I think we can deduce that the “charitable acts” were, perhaps, not done in a 100% altruistic manner.
Snowbird…I went to Westminster…We sure could learn alot from the dog show folks!! On a sold out day we were allowed to “sit anywhere you’d like!”. ANYONE can wander through the benching [our stable] area, at The Garden. The owners and handlers, nervous and prepping for the biggest class of their lives, are WONDERFUL…and happy to discuss their breeds, grooming tips and bloodlines with great enthusiasm. I met our Bloodhound handler from 35 years ago, and my Briard’s relatives…each and every one of them treated me like a part of their family. The top wire haired daschund handler came and crouched down by a trash can to share a cigarette with me 
That lovely Scottish Deerhound in Best of Group was allowed to fling herself on my shoulders while her handler discussed the history of the breed in great detail with me…this just minutes before entering the ring. Can you see one of US doing THAT??? 
You may pet champions, photograph and camcord away…you’d be shot for less if this was the horse show! Pedigree, the ASPCA etc. handed out BAGS of free gifts…and ASPCA wristbands…you shoulda been there with yours! Waiters with trays of good champagne served ALL the seating levels throughout the day. I really was lost in admiration for these folks…I may have to change sports!!! 
I don’t think that you can characterize what Mr. Valliere did and the subsequent consequences as a “misfortune” (unless, of course you want to say that his getting caught was a “misfortune”).
. It is also illegal- slaughter at this time may be many things but it is still legal.
well then… slaughter must be moral and ethical! Phew. What a relief. I had myself all worked up over this slaughter thing… but now I know it is legal! Thank You Bali. I have one thing I can check off the confession list. “Father… no need to forgive, because it is legal” Hail Mary!
The rules I have posted are from the 2005 Rule Book. Thank you Janet, if that’s the only change then we are on the right page. And, that change makes perfect sense.
I think in the case of Ethel Walker School, they are well aware of who Paul Valliere is, their riding director is a former student of his.
I got to the sign in page on AOL and actually could have signed again but AOL won’t let you see the other signature pages. That’s when the error pops up.
OK! 
I’ll be kind to him. You spoil all my fun.It’s sort of like the “kick the dawg” syndrome.
Are you sending the Petition down to the Convention? The 1st Board meeting I think is Tuesday. You should also send a copy to Bill Moroney.
The kids I’ve told have been beyond horrified.
I heard a party from the USEF went to the Westminster Dog Show to learn about how to run horse shows.
I think they discovered you can fill the Garden with flat classes. And the Sponsors like spectators.
With convicted felons free and easy it just dosen’t attract “Sponsors”.
Schyler, I’m with you. But not because of PV’s (Who I know by reputation only) actions of the past, but because what I see here amounts to a veiled attempt to influence the Hearing Committee, and deny PV his due process. Courts of law try to prevent “mob influence” by giving high profile defendants such protection as change of venue and voire dire in jury selection. You can be sure that when this issue comes before a Hearing Panel, all sides of the issue will be weighed…with public opinion being one of them. But I find it unbelievably mean spirited for a group of (well meaning) horse lovers to try to skew the process by inciting a moblike reaction.
I am as mushy about horses as any of you, and have a pasture full of old retired friends who serve no purpose, eat the most expensive, high protein soft gruel that can be concocted for their toothless enjoyment, and enjoy a nice warm stall at night ( that could be occupied by a useful saleable horse) to prove it. I cannot imagine killing a horse because of convenience. But, I also hope that I never reach a point where I feel that a person, who has “served his time”, displayed remorse, and who clearly has much to offer, should be denied a fair and impartial shot at the hearing process.
I really am not privy to all the facts of this issue…and neither are all the
Originally posted by anthem35:
Thanks, Harry…I’ll look into the hacker…as long as he hasnt made off with her sweet pony!!!
Back on topic, I too am an animal lover. Nd I completely understand your obligation to them.
But, I am also a believer in PEOPLE. In the word of the famous poet, Jimmy Buffett, “Human beings are flawed individuals”.
I know the entire world is mad at Paul. Im mad at Paul. Paul is mad at Paul.
I am not asking you to ever forgive, or even forget.
What I would ask is this…ALlow this man a moment of your time to apologize to YOU.
I am not asking you to accept, I am just asking you to listen. 
You caught me on that one Anthem, I rethought what I said, and didn’t like it a bit.
