I think the term “our of date information” is perhaps most correct. The “OUR” being Acres Wild Farm. Perhaps we should rename this thread to be the “Bring Back Paul Valliere” thread. Does anyone else remember seeing RP dragged behind a tractor at Sugarbush??? Horse welfare at it’s very best. They could have just chopped the animal into convenient pieces and handed them out to the spectators as souvenirs of the pleasant day in Vermont.
Perhaps it is time to give up on the issue.
Harry, if there is one thing I’ve learned from my rescued old “A” Circuit horse Avery, it is “NEVER GIVE UP”. Not ever.
So Bill Moroney ignored us and didn’t put it forward? No disrespect to the good Mr. Moroney who I know works hard and does his best - but in all honesty - scare me. 
So nah, I’m not prepared to throw in the towel just because ONE GUY said no.
In fact, now’s the time to kick it into overdrive. We still have a boatload and a half of options available.
We need our press group to check in - haven’t heard from Gina, not sure if she follows this thread - she was preparing a press release for us.
Buy bracelets, buy merch, WEAR 'em in public. Talk the situation up with every horse person you know. I just kind of assumed my main vet knew all about the horse killings/insurance fraud and I spoke to her today and it turns out she had no clue. A lot of people you would expect to don’t! So keep talking it up.
And above all, KEEP CROSSPOSTING!!! USEF has 80,000 members, and I bet between the lot of us we know most of 'em. Don’t forget to send it to people who are not involved in H/J - your dressage/eventing peeps, your breed peeps, your IHP peeps, etc.
Those of you with contacts overseas, don’t forget to send it to them, as well. This will come in useful when it gets to be time to make the F.E.I. aware of the thing.
God willing, the web site should be online tomorrow. The problem is with PairNIC - when you make a change, you have to wait 24 hours for it to take effect. So we’ll have to see whether I’ve got it right this time, hopefully I do. Believe me, I’ll post as soon as it’s online.
Lastly - I hate to trot cliches out but you know - we are all equestrians. We all work very hard at what we do, and we know how MUCH hard work it really takes to win. So - I still deeply believe we can win this one, but we’re going to have to work a lot harder at it.
Many thanks to everyone who is keeping the ball rolling. Like all the rest of y’all, I’m doing this very much part time and I really loff y’all for stepping up to the plate!
Aunt Esther, national and international Purse Champion, would like to steer the topic back to the original subject.
She wonders if you have forwarded the information about No Reinstatement to all of your friends, and asked them to sign and forward it to their friends. And so on, and so on, just like the Breck commercial.
Aunt Esther, of course, does not use Breck products.
Originally posted by Snowbird:
In as much as I sent the film clip and Joe Plemmons made his confession on national TV. He confessed to killing a horse owner because she was going to the DA to have them all prosecuted.
I received no answer at all from John Long or anyone from USEF in response to my suggestion of the rules that could be used to immediately ban him from any USEF show even until he had a hearing.
Now, if someone who was essentially unsavory to say the least…and the court ruled the AHSA the had a right to ban unsavory characters from their shows if that did not get any reaction! Would you not wonder if others would be afraid they might wind up like Helen Brach by the same people?
I hope that satisfies as an answer as to why no one has enforced the existing rules Boston Chicken.
yes, but killing horse owners is not a violation the the USEF rules–it is not even a federal crime.
Now! on the other hand a big roller would buy it, discover it was not working for him and then take out insurance so he he could off it and get his money back knowing that otherwise it was too big a loss for him or maybe even make a big profit thinking it was at my expense…
So every "big roller’ that buys a loser… takes out the IP AFTER he figures out it is a loser and then the horse dies? Does this happen much?
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Tried to sign, and then got this message. I am on AOL - this may have been addressed, but I don’t want to read 47 pages of “woof woof” and David Lee Roth quotes to find it 
Is there a “thank you” thread to these for keeping this thread front page news?
But…if all 47 pages were all harryjohnson, I would be delighted to take the time 
Would be happy to sign, and am a USEF member - help!
Originally posted by TWOLEFTFEET:
This whole issue just makes me shake my head in disbelief.
So, a man who is known as a horse killer will get to be a member in good standing.
a person who is on the horse welfare committee feels that a horse killer should have the right be become a member in good standing.
This leaves the horses where, exactly?
Is there ANYONE in the upper echelons, at all concerned with the welfare of horses?
makes me not want to show ever again. 
Please read for comprehension and stop twisting others’ words.
anthem, I think the comment about you “making this personal” was referring to the fact that you always bring this back to PV as an individual, which results in several pages of “is not!”/“is so!” type rubbish that is pretty pointless, because not everyone is going to agree on an assessment of an individual.
This thread would probably be a lot more productive if it stayed on the topic of reinstatement in general, rather than on specific cases.
Documenting and REPORTING violations.
Oh RACE…they ARE a different breed of people however, I really found the Dog shows throughout the country to be WAY MORE political than horse shows. I learned very QUICKLY how to play the game. 1) Good Handler 2) win 3) send the judge a thank you note with pix 4) place ad’s like crazy in breed and national mags… exposure exposure exposure 5) sweep any health abnormalities under the carpent and when Auto Immune or whatever ailment shows up, it’s the FIRT time that’s ever been in MY LINES ! that’s how you win. It’s not ALWAYS and very raely the dog that wins deserves the BIS (Rufus is an exception) I found “most” NOT ALL… dog show folks are like used car sales people… dont’ get me started
Originally posted by big dawg:
And Eric Lamaze has been caught three times for cocaine, and he is still in the sport–once he was either going into or coming out of Australia, I think, to/from a competition.
Oh please, like a little tootage is the same thing.
I hate when people who are banned come back under a different name. 
Hey y’all, sorry I was MIA yesterday. We had a dressage clinic at our barn & the schedule got royally FUBAR’ed owing to recent monsoons and freezes wrecking the footing, so, having expected to be there for 15 minutes, I was there all day! 
I loff, loff, LOFF the idea of wristbands or some other visible form of support. I wonder if rather than wristbands, little badges or buttons might be more visible? But whichever way y’all want to go is fine by me. If anybody is good at design, or has suggestions for designs, let me know. I’d think http://www.cafepress.com would be the best way to get the job done…???
Another aspect of the letter-writing campaign is that we probably need to start writing to USEF’s corporate sponsors and telling them we will boycott their products/services if any of the horse killers are reinstated. The Marketing/PR VPs are the ones who will really wig when 800 letters land on their desks. Anyone care to volunteer to draft that letter??
So, do I take it correctly that y’all would rather have this be in the form of a letter-writing/e-mailing campaign than an online petition?
The only thing really in favor of an online petition is that I’d like to see pressure brought to bear from outside the USA, as well as within the USEF membership.
Anyhoo, here’s another draft. Unfortunately it makes it even longer but I hope it takes into account Jetsmom’s well-stated and IMO very important concern that we make it clear Mr. Valliere has pretty much blatantly flaunted the terms of his suspension.
I’ve bolded the additional language - or I hope I have! 
Oh and BTW, Harryjohnson, you’ve got mail.
TO: The United States Equestrian Federation (“USEF”), the United States Olympic Committee (“USOC”), and the Fédération Equestre Internationale (“FEI”):
Purpose: This petition is in opposition to the reinstatement of Mr. Paul Valliere to full membership rights and privileges in the United States Equestrian Federation (“USEF”).
Background: On March 12, 1996, a meeting of the Hearings Committee of the American Horse Shows Association (predecessor in interest to USEF) was held and the following resolution was adopted:
"Mr. Paul Valliere, of North Smithfield, RI, violated Rule III, Article 302.6 and Rule VII, Article 702(a), (d), and (f) of this association, in that he was convicted of having participated in a plan or conspiracy to commit acts of cruelty or abuse to a horse and the conduct underlying his conviction is deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike or intemperate, or prejudicial to the best interests of the Association.
In considering an appropriate penalty for the violation by MR. VALLIERE, the committee members weighed in his favor that he had cooperated with the government; however, the panel also took into consideration that he hired a killer for the horse Roseau Platiere, owned by him, which was electrocuted as part of a scheme to defraud an insurance company, and that the evidence presented at the hearing established that death by electrocution causes pain to the horse.
For his violation of the rules as charged, the committee determined pursuant to the provisions of Rule III, Article 302.6 and Rule VII, Article 703.1 (b), © and (f), that effective immediately and until further notice, MR. VALLIERE is hereby expelled from membership in the AHSA and denied all the privileges of membership including the ability to hold or exercise office in the association, attend or participate in association meetings, hold license(s) as an AHSA or FEI official, compete in international competitions or receive AHSA automatic insurance coverages or participate in AHSA group insurance programs and is found not in good standing and he and all horses owned, leased, or of any partnership, corporation or stable of his are found not in good standing and are suspended from competing or taking any part whatsoever in Recognized competitions and he is excluded from all competition grounds during Recognized competitions as an exhibitor, participant, or spectator. The panel members also directed that the Hearing Committee retains jurisdiction over this matter, and MR. VALLIERE may not apply to the Association for reinstatement any sooner than 10 years from the date he first became suspended by the Association on account of his indictment for the crime in question and then only based upon affirmative proof of total rehabilitation, including proof that he has taken steps to reform himself and has performed community service to benefit the welfare of horses."
We, the undersigned, do not believe that Mr. Valliere has presented sufficient proof of total rehabilitation as required by USEF. [B]While we acknowledge that Mr. Valliere has taken some steps to be seen to adhere to the terms of his suspension, we believe that he has demonstrated flagrant disregard for the spirit and intent of the suspension in the following ways:
(1) He has arranged for advertisements in equestrian publications touting his support for charitable activities.
(2) He has routinely coached and trained horses and riders on the grounds of USEF rated shows on “off days”.
(3) He has judged non-rated classes on the grounds of USEF rated shows on “off days”.
(3) He has routinely coached and trained horses and riders just outside the physical boundaries of the grounds of USEF rated horse shows when those shows are in session.
(4) He has coached and trained horses and riders on the show grounds of USEF rated horse shows via walkie-talkie, while he physically remained just outside the boundaries of the grounds.[/B]
We further believe that the reinstatement of Mr. Valliere would be in direct contravention of the USEF’s own Vision Statement, contained in the USEF Bylaws, which states, in part:
“Bylaw 102: The vision of the Federation is to provide leadership for equestrian sport in the United States of America, promoting the pursuit of excellence from the grass roots to the Olympic Games, based on a foundation of fair, safe competition and the welfare of its human and equine athletes…”
The killing of the equine athlete Roseau Platiere flies in the face of USEF Bylaws. It is also in direct contravention of the FEI Code of Conduct, which states in part:
"The Fédération Equestre Internationale (FEI) expects all those involved in international equestrian sport to adhere to the FEI’s Code of Conduct and to acknowledge and accept that at all times the welfare of the horse must be paramount and must never be subordinated to competitive or commercial influences.
At all stages during the preparation and training of competition horses, welfare must take precedence over all other demands. This includes good horse management, training methods, farriery and tack, and transportation."
In killing the equine athlete Roseau Platiere, Mr. Valliere directly violated the FEI Code. The reinstatement of Roseau Platiere’s admitted killer is not in the best interests of equestrian sport, USEF, the United States of America, or the FEI, and does not promote the welfare of our equine athletes.
Respectfully submitted,
So, is this the first case that will be brought up under these “new conditions/specifications”?
Originally posted by Uberraschung:
Secondly, lots of things are more jeopardizing to the safety of horses than one man who had a horse of his own killed (not one of his client’s, renn…he owned Roseau Platiere) - let’s say bad fencing for one. I find that a lot more dangerous!
Just so I understand what you have said here- you find fencing more dangerous than a professional horsetrainer who due to his desire to save his own overinflated ego and satisfy his own personal greed opted to have a horse killed, entered into a business arrangement with a man who killed horses for people in ways that were hard to detect, knowingly submitted a fraudulent claim to the insurance company and wore a wire to lessen his legal punishment? 
I agree there are probably more horses who die or are injured from fences, however those we call accidents (even if due to someones ignorence) not premeditated planning to kill a healty, useful, animal and defraud the company who insured it. So if you are just going with the numbers I guess you have a point, however to me that is like saying more people are killed by automobiles than by serial killers so we should work on auto safety (I agree) and when a serial killer is at large we should not be to concerned because that one man is not nearly as jeopardizing to the safety of people as the Volvo.
I am in agreement with wanna_be, this a a mountain too insurmountable for the average USEF member to overcome. Also, I feel that any action taken should be taken against the group, not a single individual. It is unfair to isolate one member, when there were several involved. The effort, while noble should be directed to a place where one CAN make a difference.
At some point, we will just have to agree to disagree.
Folks. I think someone has hacked oxer’s ID. She could not possibly have posted that last one, the grammar and spelling in no way could have come from her. She is an intelligent woman, and this is obviously the work of someone who is not of her stature. And you are correct in thinking that if the bracelets make someone think of heart disease rather than the No Reinstatement mission, no harm done. These bracelets are intended to be fund raisers, not conversation starters.
I for one am only opposed to those who have been CONVICTED of the deliberate premeditated unnecessary death of horses for money. I am opposed to Membership in USEF for those who have publicly confessed to the murder of an unhappy client who purchased horses. I am opposed to Membership in the USEF for those CONVICTED of fraudulently taking horses from owners and then selling them or otherwise disposing of them for their personal benefit without proper and due compensation to the owner because in these cases many horses have suffered serious abuse and neglect. I think USEF is compelled to enforce a Court Order and to uphold the opinion of a Judge who says these people should never be again allowed in the business. The USEF as the Federation should honor that Court Order and prevent them from ever again participating in any USEF Shows.
It might not stop them from being the business and buying and selling horses but at least they would not have access to the innocents who they could meet at those shows. They could not use their membership as an endorsement of their integrity.
wait… Bali!!! Don’t go! I need to know what i hate and the reason behind my discontent.
