HERE is the link to the new location of the Suspension List.
I suspect it is still not complete, but YES, Todd and Jeff are on it.
magnolia, is it me or do many of those QHs look like they were made out of modeling clay with toothpicks used for the legs? From the knees down, some of them have pony legs and feet.
This topic has been great to read. I do have a suspension question, but first I would like to hand out a few “Atta-Boys” I have been working hard toward getting my judges card, this thread has provided me with a lot of food for thought, of most interest the way of scoring the “10+” jumpers that have a bit of good fun, say after they are just a wee smidge long and really jump up with a bit more brillance than normal, and the horse although steady, straight and accurate, jump a bit less beautiful. Even though many of the shows I am judging are local schooling shows, and often sorting out my cards is using the one that frightened me least first and so on, I will tend to pin the horses with more quality and a brilliant style in the classes that are “professional” classes. And in the childrens/Adults (for example) the more consistant although less brilliant pin higher. I have a question about “SUSPENSIONS”, I was showing at a pretty big show, it was the first of two back to back shows. A trainer that was currently SUSPENED had a pretty large group of students showing with another trainer from his barn. The suspened trainer sat in his Pick-up, on the shoulder of the road next to the outdoor ring. The road the trainer was on was a public road. He was “training” through the other trainer with two-way radios, it was obvious to everyone he was indeed “coaching” using his helper to relay instructions. The Steward tried several times to get him to leave, even getting the USAE via phone to try to get him to leave. He stayed through that entire show and I left the 2nd week so I did not know if he returned the second week. I watched for some sort of “action” in the Horse Show Magazine but had not seen anything else on the matter. I just wondered what action or reaction came from his actions, or if the USAE took and formal position on the matter. I thought I read sometime ago about a similar situation, only the other trainer was on horseback (I think) in a field that was next to the showgrounds. If anyone has any insight I would love to hear it.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BLBGP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by poltroon:
The most interesting Notice this month is probably Allison Hecht’s, for falsifying her birth information and showing younger than she was. I wonder how they caught her and proved it. It is unusual that they also directed that she must return prizes from ALL shows where she falsified her age, forfeit all associated points, and pay each show $50.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Was she an ammy showing as a junior?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
16 year old junior hunter that falsified her info to say she was 15. Junior hunters divisions are divided by 15 and under, and 16-17.
All of her junior hunter points on USEF are gone, but all of her junior jumper points are still valid.
Susan
And barbs would show up on ANY test… Also, it is kind of dangerous. More so than magnesium and calcium because the difference between the overdose level and the ‘correct’ level that you use for the desired effect is VERY slim.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash44:
Yep, I used it a grand total of 2 times. It was in 2001, the pollen was so bad you could see it blowing through the air. The rest of the time I use a stocking or vicks, or just dealt with a few head tosses and didn’t get a ribbon.
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Hey now, using medication to change the horses behavior is, I believe, illegial.
Right, but using it to treat seasonal allergies is not.
Dex could have just forced your horse into being quiet and therefore stopped his head from tossing.
Horse is normally quiet and well behaved.
Or it could have made him more sound so he didn’t hurt and didn’t toss his head. Ever think of that?
No, because he was not sore or hurting to begin with. If he was, I would have stayed home and fixed the problem.
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Yet another good reason to do the jumpers. Jump it or not, clean or not, fast or not. No room for “opinion”.
Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…
A few points I would like to make:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But I suppose it would be too much for the OWNERS to tell the BNT to STOP drugging their horse? Somehow I don’t see myself having that difficulty. Hmmm…maybe it’s because I can win my classes without them? And I actually think of my animals first?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Most owners are not involved, nor should be involved (due to lack of knowledge) in the medication or preparation of their horse. They trust their chosen trainer to handle their animal appropriately. I assume you aren’t an auto mechanic, do you go down into the pit when you take your car for an oil change? There are professionals in this sport for a reason: to allow people who are not professionals to own animals and compete them. Of course sometimes people make a mistake choosing someone to trust, but I don’t think they should be blamed for it, or accused of not thinking of their animals. They thought of their animals; they put them in a situation where they thought they would be taken care of.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If they pick a horse for a client that needs this additional help to win then they have begun the cheating process by choosing this particular horse to start with.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very few people are going to sell a horse with the warning “by the way, he only goes well on insert highly-illegal-substance here”. If you buy a high six-figure, winning horse for a client, and it turns out it doesn’t win on your program (or leaves your client hanging from the rafters), are you going to say, “darn, we made a mistake, oh well, let’s go buy another one”? Or are you going to try to figure out whatever the hell it was that the previous trainer did to get it to the ring?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tackpud:
Reserpine rears its head again - I thought everyone knew about that stuff by now…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, you would have to wonder about someone giving a show horse reserpine in this day and age. It almost begs an IQ test, doesn’t it? (You mean they have a TEST???) 
But I do think things that are not reserpine, but are believed to act like reserpine can metabolize and test as reserpine (or reserpine-like). So folks may not be as dim as they appear… Or not, tough to say.
“I used to care, but things have changed…” Bob Dylan
How does one keep track of a suspended horse? If the horse is not world-famous, it seems that a big bad evil suspended person could easily change the name and sell it for a nice chunk of change…?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
I find it a little pathetic that only at the hunter shows did we have dollar bills so contaminated with cocaine that horses tested positive. I find it pathetic that only at our shows are there grooms who are so high on cocaine that they mix up buckets of feed.
Battle Scarred Veteran<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I’m not sure if that was directed at my previous statement about the feed mix-ups, but in the case I was referring to the feeder just made a mistake. The only drug this person did was a little too much Pepsi in her diet 
Yes it’s careless… but mistakes are made. Otherwise the person did a pretty good job.
I would sooner fail than not be among the greatest
– John Keats
That explanation was given to me, after several adult beverages, by one who worked for years in a major European sales yard where they did NOT practice it…but were very aware of it when accepting sale horses that presented much quieter then expected.
I guess users assume the Coke will quickly dissapate in the horse’s system and underestimate the sensitivety and threshold levels of the current tests.
C.Boylen, I am no horse show nun and this actually does make sense.
The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That’s the way it is.
The drug testers were out in full force at The Barracks today. I think they tested at least one horse from each barn/trainer.
“B***h in training”
I think that most clients of suspended trainers are willing to believe the “I’m innocent” story. And some of them probably don’t know about (or don’t care) the meds their horses get - so many of today’s riders don’t prepare their own horses, so how could they know?
This is one of the reasons I prepare my own… to avoid the meds the trainer “thinks” the horse needs.
Why not just pull tubs when the horses are finished eating? Most horses clean up within 10 - 15 minutes anyway. Plus, I’d like to know if my horse does not clean up, usually a sign something is wrong. And if you give him a med in his feed, don’t you check back to make sure he ate it?
I guess you suspend a trainer for the same time period the following year to prevent someone from thinking, “oh, there are no big shows I am planning on going to during the next few months, who cares if I get time.”
This is on our local H/J site:
“Due to the fact that two horses may be eliminated from competitions at the Pin Oak
and Spring Gathering Horse Shows by the USAE in the 1st Year Green Division, there may be changes to the THJA year-end standings for this division.”
Anyone care to enlighten me via PT.
My old horse used to share Chocolate Snaps with me, by the boxful (as in animal cracker sized boxes ). I panicked the first time he was tested, but was assured he would have had to have a TON of them to make something bad show up.
“B***h in training”
Oooooooo, Jeannette! Me likey that rule! 
But, alas, I am sure that ways will be found around it… 
Hm. I wonder if we know the same person! :<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Suzeee:
And apparently Barney Ward is still profiting from selling horses. A friend who rides with a certain BNR on the west coast told me that Barney is sending that BNR several jumpers to ride. They can’t be officially owned by Barney. I don’t know whose name he puts as owner. Must do some investigating…
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Oh yes, and one more age old question. What actually is “performance enhancing?”
Certainly one can enhance the performance by means of proper and methodical training.
No doubt NSAIDS alter the performance. As does Gastrogard. Most probably bandaging, poulticing, icing, whirlpooling, shock wave, the list goes on-all have the potential to enhance performance.
Administering something specifically to calm the nerves of a newbie or curb the enthusiasm of a horse at it’s first show of the year is certainly performance enhancing. But is it really any different than the other examples except for it’s legality/non legality?
Darkerhorse, the way you so casually talk about injecting joints and weekly dex makes me add your horse to my daily prayers. If you only knew the long term effects of those practices.
