Don’t they already store samples?
Oh yes-it could be scored like diving (the score is multiplied by the DD-or degree of difficulty)-you take the score and multiply dy a percent…so if you scored say an 8.5, it would go as follows:
if ppt-then the DD would only be a .37 HOWEVER if ppit, it raises the DD to a .76!
Now of course there would be a reduction for ltd, a, etc…but imgaine what this could for the business of said it’s!
Now with that confusion laid out there for all to mull over, I resign myself to solving the next world problem 
"I don’t mind where people make ‘whoopie’, so long as they don’t do it in the street and frighten the horses. --Mrs. Patrick Campbell (quote modified for young eyes)
They do print the reasons for the suspensions in Equestrian magazine, but only once and I’ve yet to figure out the timing of when they print the hearing committee’s findings. I used to think the reasons were printed the same month the suspension started, which is what happens in a lot of cases. But in other cases, they seem to publish the reasons well before the suspension starts, apparently shortly after the hearing committee makes its ruling. But looking at the back issues of Equestrian, it’s not consistently published either of those ways.
For example, Don Stewart is on suspension as of 11/01/2003, but looking back at about the last 10 issues of Equestrian, including the new November issue that just arrived last week, there’s no mention of the reason for his suspension. So, unless the reason for his suspension was published more than 10 months ago, it hasn’t been published yet even though the suspension is now in effect.
So, anybody know how Equestrian is supposed to work as far as when they publish hearing committee rulings?
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Does anything happen to the VETS who give these drugs in cases where a fine/suspension is imposed? Do they also get sanctioned by USEF or by AAEP?
Weatherford, I never observed any “withdrawal” symptoms from horses that had been given reserpine back in the '70’s. And I was associated with several, one of which got caught. Other than going back to their normal demeanor, there wasn’t anything “horrible,” and I certainly wouldn’t call them addicted…
These horses didn’t live on the stuff; they never got it at home, only when showing, and handled the transition just fine, in my observation.
Laurie
You know I have not posted here since everything that was being said was sort of heated etc but…I must reinterate(sp?) that over a year ago I was openly critical about the over usage of Dex.I warned privately several people who posted here that dex was a very dangerous drug.Its secondary effects really could not be established at that time.Interesting that now so many people are aware of it.Really all the bad effects are true.No one should be defending its abuse.Hives allergic reactions fine but long term soundness PULEEEEEZ!
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Maybe because she is an immediate family memeber…Hmmmm. Veddy interesting…anybody know???
I know some of the dollar amounts of the fines vary because it’s not the first time around for all…I understand they go up for subsequent offenses.
The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That’s the way it is.
Pentoxifyline (also am sure to be spelling it wrong) aids in blood circulation and, if I am not mistaken, makes the blood cells more pliable so that the circulation to the laminitic feet can be increased. Well, that’s what I used it for at least.
It should definitely make Florida interesting. I’m guessing the NEW list will come out in the next Equestrian Magazine (formerly Horse Show).
Do you mean THIS???
Here are the Devilpups!!
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I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!’
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This issue is already “super charged” so in my humble opinion…it’s time for the trolls to crawl back under the bridge… 
My new barn mantra…MYOB MYOB
Oooops, sorry about that … thought something might’ve been wrong. Don’t have the best memory for drugs … or it is in spite of drugs???
“When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk: he trots the air; the earth sings when he touches it; the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes.”
– Shakespeare, Henry V
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
If you solve the medication problem you will eliminate the pounding because horses that are pounded and lunged for hours or abuzed in other ways just can’t go clean. That’s why zero tolerance for drugs is the way to end it. Yes! it’s too bad that some 3’0" fence people will not be able to compete because their horses are medicated. Maybe, then they won’t buy the crippled 3’0" hoprses on their way down and young horses instead.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There are so many other ways to calm down a horse. I mentioned earlier that there are people out there who bleed horses to make them quiet. Literally jab a syringe in a leg let the blood run free and viola, quiet horse. Or dehydrate them. Or the new, undetectable drug, Or any other method that WON’T TEST.
It’s part of the solution, but only until the next greatest thing. Drug testing needs to happen, but unfortunately it will always have to play catch-up to those on the prowl for the next new “calmer”.
It’s just not enough.
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“Whether you think you can or think you can’t - you are right.” -Henry Ford
So is Todd Minikus suspended?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devildog:
You mis-read my point about the car. I do check my oil and maintain my car properly. My point was that my CAR doesn’t have feelings and won’t be “hurt” if I don’t check the oil.
My husband ruined his scout by not checking the oil, and no one was hurt but him for being a moron. Just because you don’t put oil in your car doesn’t mean that you are going to cause an accident. There are MANY more ways you are more likely to cause an accident than lack of oil!
Chanda, I think you will make a great trainer, and I think we need more of people like you around!
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Thank you Devildog 
I chose the analogy of the car probably unwisely, but frankly I don’t have any clue what my mechanic does and really I don’t care as long as it gets from point A to B with music and air conditioning. My godmother once attempted to put oil in her car, and ended up putting it in the radiator. That was the point I was trying to make. I didn’t realize everyone here could work the pit crew 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
Flame suit on, but this thread keeps hitting on the periphery of MY favorite topic: the price of good horses.
I can quote chapter and verse of the horses who are priced by the seller at $30,000, while the buyer pays $60,000. Or the one priced at $75,000 which, after all commissions, costs the buyer $125,000, etc. etc…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah, and the one that has been discussed here before, where the horse went to a trainer to be sold, the owner said minimum $125,000… Trainer sold horse for 1.2 MILLION and gf bragged about taking woman for ride… unfortunately, she didn’t realize said woman heard every word… shall we say lawsuit?? 
It’s OUT! Linda Allen’s 101 Exercises for Jumping co-authored by MOI!!!
Most of the time they are tipped off. Security can and does search barns and tack rooms AND vehicles at the track, and if anything illegal is found, the trainer is immediately ejected from the grounds.
Also, the added expense of having a vet administer the injection might prompt owners/trainers to find better ways of maintaining their horses.
According to rumour, there are going to be a bunch more BNTs to come, especially for prolixin. I don’t show in the hunter division ”" and Todd aside, tranquing seems to be mainly an issue for the hunters (and maybe disciplines outside of hunter jumper), since what we’re looking for are athletic horses that are abnormally quiet. What I would like to know is, those of you who ride hunters with trainers that have been set down, or that you know are about to be set down - how do you feel about this? Do you still want to be affiliated with this trainer? Even if you know that your own horse is clean, aren’t you worried about other people thinking that you also tranq? Aren’t you worried that your own horse may be devalued because many people are going to think that it’s tranqued? I must say, since one of my local BNTs has been set down, I can’t help but look suspiciously at everyone who shows with her in future. Is that horse a beautiful quiet hunter, or is it drugged? Sure I’ve been hearing rumours about her forever, but we hear rumours about lots of trainers ”" with all the bs that goes on at horse shows, I find it hard to condemn anyone until I see something in print. But now that I know that at least this one time (and according to my vet, there’s no reason to give prolixin, except as a tranq) she’s tried to cheat, it gives credence to all those other stories that I’ve been hearing. I know that some of her students post here - I really am curious as to how you think that this affects you.
At least in the States, you get told about suspensions. As far as I know, in Canada nothing is published. Yes, people (ok, their horses) occasionally get tested and set down, but it’s next to impossible to find out about it. If one of our trainers doesn’t have the gall to drug at an American show and get caught, we’re not going to know about it. Except for maybe noticing they aren’t showing for a while.
I agree with you guys about the lovely loopy rein rides. But you can still have communication with a looped rein and the other aids. It’s the subtle use of aids that I find to be impressive!
For the record, in case my tone was misunderstood, I don’t knock the head shaking, etc. I don’t judge, and apparently haven’t watched a class lost by a single head shake or tail swish or whatever. If I were a judge, I wouldn’t penalize it unless that’s the only thing separating quality of rounds. I’m just in awe of riders who can get the perfect, fluid rounds with a minimal show of aids. I was responding more to the concept of outright resistance evidenced by an irritated head toss, and extrapolated it on out.
P.S. I like the dog bounce and this:
" . . . the social commentary (by the victim) AFTER the fence!" 
“Same old song, same old smokey bar…”
DMK, I can ALWAYS count on you to come through in a pinch with a FRESH idea! I think the “a” would have to be red, too, very “Scarlet Letter”-ish!
Lunge to death, ride to death, it is all the same result - too many unnecessary miles. To get them so dead quiet that they don’t swish their tails, shake their heads, come out of a lope…The point is that the shows we have created have created the necessity to find alternatives to achieve what the ring demands.
And PLEASE don’t tell me another time that you have spent 20 years getting your one horse so broke that he goes this way naturally. Great, my hat is off to you! But it just isn’t the case for the majority of the riders I am speaking about, who either work, go to school, have 10 horses to ride (both their own and others). They physically can’t spend the time at the shows in the saddle to get the horse as quiet as the ring demands.
OK< enough on this subject. It is going around in circles, no one is going to change anyone else’s mind.
I just ask the black and whiters to at least CONSIDER the gray areas, and that every situation deserves to be evaluated on its merit, not just painted with the broad brush of “all the trainers drug their horses=all the trainers are bad.” Just isn’t so.
Laurie
