Last I checked Dabble Do Ya was leased out to Calder Billhardt who trains with Ox Ridge in CT.
I believe that the Stewarts just continually lease him out on a yearly basis.
-Emily-
“Nothing Takes the taste out of peanut butter quite like unrequited love”-Charlie Brown
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Val:
If Barney Ward is suspended, how can he be the registered owner of the suspended horses?
Dogs will come and dogs will go and I will love them all…but ROSIE is forever.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would assume that they are all old horses, many probably not with us anymore. I recall at the time of his suspension, many horses transfered to new owners. These are most likely ones that he was still listed as the official owner that he really didn’t own anymore. Remember it is the new owner that changes the ownership and I know of many horses that are still listed as owned by me, from over 15 years ago. I do not believe that they will record a horse as owned by a person on the suspended list. Unless they are only there for a brief period of time. Just wouldn’t make sense to me to allow that to happen.
There are still more suspensions in the works correct? There are a few folks that I have heard will be suspended, but haven’t made it onto the list yet…
Everyone has been incredibly tight-lipped about “Who” is on the list and I found it strange that Todd’s name was the only one bandied about. If we don’t want rumors of Who, then his name should never have been brought up!!!
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From their Pappy Clifford?
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“Cause I’m hella cool, that’s why.”
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flshgordon:
I guess maybe I am the only one that doesn’t understand the politics involved in this testing, because I just DO NOT understand how it costs $350 to $600 PER HORSE to drug test a horse!!! Doesn’t anyone else find this to be an absurd figure? Draw blood/collect urine and then send it off to the lab–how does the bill get up to hundreds of dollars?
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Becaause each drug has to be tested for separately (and there are many), and if any positives are found, the paired sample also has to be tested for. It adds up.
It’s not like you take a sample, put it in a black box, and a piece of paper spits out a list of prohibited substances present. The equipment needed to perform these assays doesn’t come cheap.
Unashamed member of the Arab clique…just settin’ on the Group W bench.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dab:
…I’m wondering how many repeat offenders are out there –
The rumor mill (including some posts on this thread) leads me to believe that some of these trainers gave horses drugs with potentially dangerous consequences with the expectation that these drugs would not be detected in drug tests – I just don’t see how a few months ‘vacation’ is sufficient punishment – I will not hold my breath waiting for USEF to ban these competitors for life – But, what if we monitored them for life (or at least many years)? I don’t think it’s fair to tax the entire membership to police these abusers – I think a system where the suspended trainer/owner would pay the full cost of drug testing for each of their horses at every show for the next 5 years would help keep people honest – Is this too difficult to enforce (need drug testers at every show)? – Would it be so costly that these trainers would work around the system (letting their clients show with someone else)? How about having them pay the cost of one, two, or three drug test for each horse they will be showing? Then, encourage drug testers to test these horses whenever they encounter them --<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
creative thinking - which would provide true “disincintive” for all involved
“That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I’m just the one to do it,” --Texas congressional candidate John F. Parker.
Perfect, honest, careful, what’s the difference? 
prolixion is not the biggest drug that these trainers were using. it’s way more desturbing than that. phenobarbittal yeah that’s right the “pink juice” that is giving to put down horses is also being used to show them.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lauriep:
You’re getting a little free with the generalizations about the situation. Do you have personal knowledge of what “laundry list of meds” these people are using? And the “several” meds that these young horses are “routinely” on? You must be very close to the situation to know all that. I sure don’t have any idea…
Since none of us know who is on the list and for what, I think you are going WAY too far in your assumptions. If you can provide some facts, then you have something to discuss. If not, this is as far as I am going on that track.
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Amen
My story is in the New York Times!
http://www.nytimes.com/uwire/uwire_TQED110720031291208.html?ex=1146286800&en
Anyone care to enlighten those of us who weren’t at CC as to whom this BNT was?
Also, the dressage people (while I’m sure illegal drugs go on there too) do happen to have a much better scoring system than we do. They are graded by the movement and then have four overall scores for the test as a whole.
That would allow for a trip or a little play in the corner to still get a good prize if they jumped the heck out of 8 fences. Of course in great company that still might knock you out of the ribbons but at least it wouldn’t lose to a much less stellar round with no flaws.
Dressage also has a score for rider position…wow can you imagine that maybe hunter riders would actually ride and not pose?
Until we get off of the notion that our hunters need to go around like machines, we are going to have drugging problems. They are huge animals with minds of their own and it is bad for a horse to feel good and actually show some emotion over fences? I’m not advocating running around like maniacs but what happened to galloping down to a fence and having your horse jump around it in a wonderful bascule?
batgirl do you have an email?
Wow, that is a big name.
Hrm. Is this a drugging scandal like people have been intimating?
All I know is that if I (as a client) got suspended because my trainer was drugging my horse, I would flip out.
Luckily my trainer would not do that sort of thing. I’ve got a ton of bad rounds going mach 5 around the hunter ring to show for it. /sigh GO GO HOT TB MARE CLIQUE!!!
LondonHannahKirsche
Gryphon Bay & foal on the WAY!!!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darker Horse:
I seriously doubt those owners didn’t know what was going on. At least they most likely had some glimmer of an idea what was going on.
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I totally agree. They are definitely being billed for it so they must know.
I hope that these threads have helped educate a few more owners.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I disagree. The clients I’m familiar with (with very few exceptions) don’t know bute from ace and see their horses an hour a day. Bills read “medication $x amount”. I would love to go ask what they think medication consists of; I bet the answers would be pretty amusing.
Do you imagine that the dishonest, illegal-drug giving trainer is going to list those illegal medications on the bill, or offer their names if questioned? The money to cover those medications is coming out of ‘daycare’ or ‘misc’ or ‘board’ or ‘tack repair’. The average client is NOT going to have the slightest idea what their horse eats for dinner, let alone what drugs are in that dinner, and it wouldn’t occur to them to ask.
As I’ve said a number of times, those of us that post on these board cannot consider ourselves the average client. We seek to discuss horses and educate ourselves and others in the use of this board, and are thus more inclined to be educated and interested in horse care and training.
DMK,
In your above post you said that you “prefer to avoid the risks of giving an IM shot”. I thought that IM was safer than IV? I’m sorry if this is a little off topic, but I’m curious to know if there are more dangers associated with IM than I’m aware of. Thx.
OK, after 80 pages, perhaps we should do a quick recap of this discussion for those who have not read everything and for others (like me) who have forgotten some of it.
What drugs were the most recently suspended BNT’s nailed for?
Who has been named thus far and for what?
Todd Minikus - __ drug (supposed mix-up)
Don Steward -
etc…
How many more BNT names are expected on the list in the next few months?
Suggested changes:
…
“Whether you think you can or think you can’t - you are right.” -Henry Ford
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Janet:
Some reasons why peoepl mught drug at a C show.
Start with the assumption that someone showing at a C show is on a tighter budget thatn soemone showing at an A show. (not necccessarily valid, I know.)
More likely to have an older horse, maybe a former 3’6" horse now doing 3’, with some maintenance issues, thus more likely to need AIDs.
More likely to have bought a greener horse, rather than one that is fully “made” and thus more lileky to be “looky”, or play in the turns, thus more likely to use tranquilzers.
More likely to have bought a horse with minor temprament issues, or minor soundness issues, as such horses are more affordable.
More likely to have an OTTB than a WB.
Janet
chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yea, I def agree.
Oops I just posted 4 times in a row. But I wanted to back you up Janet, I have heard of several people just flat out aceing their horses at C rated shows. More so at local shows because the can’t be caught there. At A shows it sounds like people at least are trying to hide their drugging by giving more exotic drugs that may not test.
Why D’ya Do It?
Very well said, LH!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LH:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
Again, I’m going to point out that I don’t qualify what we are discussing as a recreational sport. This is a business involving billions of dollars, with millions of professionals, customers, and employees. It has widespread effects on local economies, and upon other enterprises such as real estate, commerce, and small businesses of all kinds. An industry such as this, whatever it may involve and whatever its purpose, will always require policing of some kind.
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This dichotomy in views is what epitomizes the tension between the clients and the professionals. The professionals are making a living and a livelihood from the sport/hobby (depends how intense you are about it) of the customers. That’s the nature of the beast!
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I think that gets at the heart of the matter for many of us amateurs: First and foremost this IS a hobby, a leisure-time pursuit that we endure our real jobs to afford. For trainers and others who make their living from it, the pressures to keep food on the table (one extreme 
) to making sure they have the latest “it” car (the other 
), I would imagine the pressure to keep us happy is immense.
While I don’t buy the idea completely that showing isn’t a recreational sport, I would allow that at a certain level, it ceases to be one. Take, as an example, pleasure boating. One end of the scale is very much the recreational boater, the guy who just wants a little put-put to cruise the bay. At the other end is the owner of the racing yacht. Somewhere in between is the vast majority of boat owners, for whom sailing/fishing/water-skiing/whatever one does with a boat may be a hobby, a passion, a career.
Same with horses. Trouble is, we’re dealing with a living, breathing creature capable of feeling pain. That makes us very responsible for doing the right thing by them.
***** Yes, Dr. Laura, I am my horses’ mom!*****
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AnnM:
Not to hijack the thread about current suspensions, but does anyone know the story behind the Darren Frazier/Equine Sports suspension from 2001? I used to show at their summer circuit growing up and always enjoyed it (except for the Florida weather, of course!).
Feel free to PT me if you think it’s more appropriate…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
bounce, bounce, bounce
Many, many times to many different parties, including USA Equestrian.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
Thanks, LEPE - I was wondering the same thing. Some of those suspensions on the list above date back to 1974 - hardly a hot topic, and definitely not worth going through the whole list to find out who’s been naughty and who’s been naughtier. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Type in control F and type in the person’s last name that you want… the screen should go to it. Then, type in Control G to get to the next instance of the person’s name.
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