THE suspension list

[Pocket_Pony]

Blinky, I wish that I felt the same way as you. Maybe it is because of where I live. In the Peninsula area of the greater Bay Area, there is no “local show circuit”, so everyone shows at the ‘A’ level. Adult beginners do the long stirrup and move up. There’s so much money floating around here that it is a very competitive area, and everyboyd wants to keep up with the Joneses.

I wish there were more of a C/B circuit, because I might have considered that.

The ONE trainer I know who does not drug their horses uses them up and throws them away when she’s done with them, so even though she doesn’t fall into the drugging category, she still isn’t an option for me. Or, there’s the other one who maybe doesn’t drug, but her training techniques fries their brains.

Just not for me. I can’t sit back and give control of my partner to someone else. If that means I can’t show on the circuit, then so be it.

“Both rider and horse must enjoy the work. This is the essence of success” - Reiner Klimke

[Flash44]

Why not take the average of 15 out of the FIRST 20 shows per year a horse went to? Or 10 out of 15? You can give your horse a break over the winter knowing that you are not giving everyone else a “head start,” or you can miss a few weeks if your horse gets a bug or a mild injury, or just needs a rest.

In addition, do the prefix/suffix lifetime achievement thing so that there is still an incentive for a sound happy horse to keep on going.

[Moesha]

I think it is sad. I don’t know why people were giving horses certain drugs. I don’t think being suspended or fined gives us the whole story either. It is too varied; this business( all aspects of horses) has so many variables and there is so much ambiguity. Morals may be black and white to some, but in reality we live in a world of shades…and one has to ask, who decides the moral and ethical answers to these not so clear areas.

[AHorseSomeDay]

I thought Lindeman and Barney Ward were banned from shows because of the whole fraud thing that happened a few years ago. Are they still banned? From what I’ve heard they are.

[Court]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by twinklepony88:
some of you guys have no idea what you are talking about with these trainers that are suspended for various reasons… sometimes, actually most of the time its not what you think. I understand everyones point of veiw on not trusting them, thinking they are bad and stuff but i wouldnt judge a certain trainer/person unless you know the real story of why they are suspended etc.
~erin~

-this message was not supposed to come of rude or snobby or anything to let yall know-<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> They were found guilty by USAeq period. That is good enough for me.

Courtney

[winnie]

And you’re doing a great job, tackpud!!!

“Nobody said it was easy, no one ever said it would be this hard”
-Coldplay

[Midge]

Portia, perhaps you can shed some light on something I have heard about the resurpine situation. The Fed hadn’t been testing for it for some time, since the big brou-ha-ha with resurpine was 25 years ago, and for the several years following, they found none. I believe resurpine was one of the first things they didn’t have a test for then took down a bunch of people all at once when the test arrived.

Do you know anything about it?

[Janet]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I really, really doubt that many vets would give you a time frame on drug clearance (talk about the liability if a trace of a prohibited substance would be detected). I would hope that the vet would refer you to the D&M committee (witness the fact that Reserpine went from being detectable two weeks out to, what, 45 days out?). And, you know what, the D&M committee is only going to give you guidelines. The only, definitive way to tell that your horse is clear of a prohibited substance or is within the allowable therapeutic levels is to have the blood tested by the USEF’s lab. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, I wouldn’t expect the vet to tell me when it would be “clear”, but I certainly have had the vet ask me, before giving something therapeutic: “are you going to any recognized competitions soon?” and, when I told them when (sometimes some 4 weeks away) then say: “then you better file a D&M report”.

If you are using a drug for a legitimat non-therapeutic purpose (e.g. clipping ears), then WHO are you going to ask “how far in advance should I odo it?” I doubt the D&M committee would give you a frim answer on that.

Janet
chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain

[Flash44]

At the racetrack, trainers can get suspended for even having empty syringes or needles in their posession. ALL shots are done by vets. Supposedly.

I really don’t have a problem with this. Most people know in advance what med they are going to give their horses. Tracks have track vets, why not have a show vet? You can call in what you need the day before and the vet can come around and give it in the morning. Of course, if you are shipping in (like to a one day show), you can just give it before you leave.

[Dana]

Wow! I hadn’t really thought about the far-reaching implications of this sting operation.

So, if Trainer A is suspended, then all the horses that he has any ownership in will also be suspended for the duration of his penalty. So, I lease a horse from Trainer A and have it in a totally different barn and in a totally different state. When Trainer A is suspended, I then can’t show the horse that I’m leasing for that length of time!!! What a mess. I’m no lawyer, but I’d think AHSA, USAE, USAF (or whatever else they’re calling themselves today) would be leaving themselves open to a lawsuit since I’m obviously being punished for something that I had no knowledge of and didn’t participate in.

Friends don’t let friends ride junk!

[DarkerHorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
Well, I agree with you and fortunately for me I don’t believe in using horses which need regular bute for maintenance. Especially, since I know that I don’t function nearly as well even on aspirin.

I would not want an unsuspecting rider to depend on the horse being smart enough to keep them from getting killed and the horse has been dulled so he doeesn’t know they can’t make that fence. I depend on the basic survival intincts of the horse to save the beginners.

Fortunately, I have not had therefore to live in terror of being found with drugged horses. You see I not only preach but I practice the same philosophy.

Battle Scarred Veteran<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL… I’m going to get flamed for this… I was thinking more like giving a horse 1/2cc of ace on a friskey day when they had to teach up down lessons.

It’s all over now baby blue…

[BenRidin]

You’re not talking about this, are you?
That isn’t new, so maybe not…

~BenRidin

[Pocket_Pony]

Maybe I’m just a dumb blonde, but what do the dates mean on the list? It shows someone’s name, then to the right is a date. What is it?

“Both rider and horse must enjoy the work. This is the essence of success” - Reiner Klimke

[dab]

I really wonder how the hunter judging standards could be changed to discourage drugging – If you instruct the judges to ignore disobediences, which horses do they pin? – Do we really want a horse with 8 nice fences who has a hissy fit when asked for a change to win a class? – Don’t we penalize the truly wonderful horses if the judging standard ignores their attributes?

I think the idea of limiting a horse to a certain number of shows/classes per season could really help – I don’t think this would be as expensive to implement as increased drug testing (although increased drug testing might be more effective) – Maybe I’m underestimating the burden on show management, but couldn’t this be solved with a few modifications to the software packages that most show organizers use? – I think an averaging system might also be helpful –

Another thought that keeps coming back to me as I visit this thread … – It’s awful that some people drug their show horses – But, putting financial gain above horses’ welfare is not limited to the show ring – How many lesson mills use lame horses in several lessons a day? – How many people send their unwanted horses to killer auctions rather than giving/finding them a good home or humanely euthanizing them? – How many horses are neglected, abused, starved, … – I think we need to speak out against all of the injustices in the horse business –

[Erin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horsepop:
To any of the moderators: What is the most active topic you can remember on the BB before this one came up. Do you have any numbers of viewers and responders?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the longest thread I can remember about an actual issue… there were other threads that got up to 100 pages or so, but those were mostly “fun” threads.

[Portia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jn1193:
That’s sad - and makes the drug testing program very expensive for such a small sample. If my math holds, this makes the cost per horse to test around $600, not $350.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You’re probably right on that, if not more. The $350 figure was solely for laboratory costs of testing samples, not the other program costs such as collecting the samples.

The issue at the USOC hearing was the USET’s contention that if it was made the NGB it could just use the USA Eq lab for all the testing and it wouldn’t cost the high-level competitors that the USET wanted to oversee any more than it does now. Dr. Allen testified about what the lab would have to charge to do testing on that basis – actual cost, not the defrayed, nominal costs members currently incur.

[DarkerHorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash44:
Are we ONLY discussing horses at the top level(AA, 4 footers and up), or are we discussing the sport as a whole? Some people are saying that to keep a horse at the top, you need the “whole program,” plus they are crying about their financial commitment, while others are saying drugs are worse at unrated shows because it is completely unregulated.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I woudn’t consider a 4’ jumper a ‘top’ level jumper. My older horse (the one I give dex to) shows in 4’ classes all the time at local shows (and the adult jumper at rated shows. And recently the working hunter and a/o hunter to fill the division LOL) all the time. He isn’t super talented, and we found him in a field for like 2K. LOL Nice horse, but not top level.

Why D’ya Do It?

[buryinghill1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weatherford: I watch the GP’s and Nations’ Cups from Europe every week - all run under FEI rules - no meds. The horses look sound and happy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No currently detectable meds, dear

Ever wonder about the training methods (starting as weanlings) to which you’re not privy? Teaching a youngster to jump clean is quite an art (be it an indoor school in Ireland, or elsewhere). That’s a subject some folks need to read up on. Just why are these youngsters snapping their wheels and trying so hard? That would be an educational field trip. Forget medication.
Happy New Year to those on the current suspended list and those who start tomorrow too!

[nelson]

Hey Ash - nice Jimmy Fallon reference!

[MaYbEitsMaybelline]

If you have a horse that needs extra time on the lunge line in order to compete well then you need to do it. (as in ride it out and not drug your horse!)

My horse is great when shes quiet but she needs the warm up in the morning because shes a baby. Sure its great if your horse does not need to be lunged but you can not say that just because a horse needs a lunge that it is not as nice as the horse that doesnt.

Whats impotant is that people with a horse that needs this do it and dont let the world see their horse going mock 10 in the show ring, you are responsible for what people think about your horse (behaviral wise).

Just wanted to stand up for the hot TB mare clique

<<Megan>>
(((((Maybelline)))))