THE suspension list

Instead of posting on COTH about what all those evil circuit people SHOULD do, maybe some of you should get a clue. The A circuit is not going to change because you had a cyber temper tantrum. Show horses get medicated (and I don’t think there is anything wrong with a little medication), just some more than others. This is a fact and is not likely to change, so save your breath (fingers?).

There are much worse things being done to horses on other circuits. The local unrated schooling show circuits are some of the worst, and I have heard horror stories about what goes on at QH shows. I’m not trying to bash local or breed shows, just pointing out that this is NOT new or unique to the A circuit.

A lot of people are getting suspended for something that a LOT MORE people do. It probably won’t hurt their business, no, but what else would you suggest? That they be drawn and quartered? Please.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own -Grateful Dead

Only the horse’s he owns or leases would be on the list, and only clients horse’s that tested possitive would have to pay a fine to the horse show and give back the prizes won. The horse’s owned by clients do not get set down like the trainer’s horses, which is why they can continue to show with other trainers.

How is a horse accidentally drugged? Or someone not in charge of the horse drugs it? People are just running around with needles, pills and tainted dollar bills in their pockets?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by khobstetter:
Just got out of the first part of the Drugs and Meds meetings at USEF…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting suggestions! My initial (not very well-thought-out) reactions…

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A conversation that GOT NO thumbs up from the competitors BUT the Vets want…

Only a vet can give IV shots on the show grounds…much resistence.

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My horse gets Legend and I’d hate to have to pay a vet for that shot. Even so, it’s not a drug that’s given every day. I think I could arrange her shots so that they’re not given while I’m at the show grounds. It may be different for those who show more often, however.

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Much conversation about ALL vets who treat competition horses must be USEF members and sign in at the office if they are on grounds.
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Hmmmm, at the shows or all the time? My regular vet started out at the track and treats horses with all kinds of jobs from backyard friend, to race horse, to competition horse. I don’t know if he’d be willing to sign up for USEF just to continue treating his competition clients. I’d hate to lose him! He’s wonderful. If it’s just vets who are at the shows that need to be members, I don’t have an issue with it. But if it’s for any vet who ever treats a horse that competes, I do have problems with the suggestion!

As for signing in at the office if they’re on the grounds, I assume that’s only if they’re on the grounds to do vet-related things? I ask because there’s a lady who competes in this area who’s a veterinarian. I don’t know why she’d have to sign in when she’s in no way there in a veterinary capacity.

“Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.” – Thomas A. Edison

subk - I like your post and agree on all counts!

War Admiral - I am with you…I think the penalties should be more severe! Sucking it up for 3 months is probably not enough of a deterrent considering the ultimate $$$ at stake.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dinah-do:
So = what do you think of a vet giving long term tranq at the owners request and not telling the trainer???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that trainer had better be wary of signing any entries!!

Seriously, it needs to be an honst relationship in order for it to be safe and productive. This owner needs to be up front with said trainer and say, “i just cannot ride this horse unless it is tranqu’ed, so maybe you need to find me something a little less spirited!”

>>It’s not bragging if you can back it up!<<

Midge, so, they basically had to jump start this poor animal’s heart back into action? Now I’m even more astounded that it was able to jog in the afternoon. I certainly hope those involved with this horse learned a valuable lesson that day and are no longer playing the odds and gambling with an animal’s life. Disgusting…

My next horse will be most certainly HAVE TO be named Mother’s Little Helper

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darker Horse:

<Inches of justification of substantial drug usage snipped.>

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If you really believe that jumping is so bad for a horse, how can your conscience stand doing it? Over and over and over again? You have to decide, Darker Horse, exactly how much of a hypocrite you want to be.

madeline

barngirl -

Why would you drug test people who aren’t showing? That seems like a waste of time and money to me!


I would sooner fail than not be among the greatest
– John Keats

The increment system DOES need an overhaul - but not, perhaps, in ways people are thinking…

I really like the system of points for clear rounds (Jumpers in Ireland til they get to a certain level) AND points per horses beat - NO EXTRA points for Champion or Reserve (you already HAVE more points). Perhaps some SCALE of points indicating the QUALITY of show (but, that, by definition is another, uh hornets’ nest ) The AHQA uses the 1 pt per 5 horses beat (1/2 for 3) and it allows them to make award on the LONG TERM (lifetime of the horse) as well as the short term (annually). This, to me, makes sense - AND it would also give people some perspective on the divisions - for example, that horse that won Reserve at XXX show, may have only been competing agains 3 horses and probably won the hack! So while these horses may get mega AHSA points for this “win”/competition, in actuality, they didn’t do much - and by AQHA standards would have gotten 1/2 point and ONLY in the classes they won…

Lifetime achievement award for a horse (and especially for amateurs - who don’t get to show much) give people who haven’t a chance of winning national or zone awards, a GOAL…

Of course, the other change that these 70 pages point to is a change of the way hunters are judged. What happened to DIFFERENT priorities for different divisions?? I happen to LIKE the idea of a “dressage-like” score sheet - not that it has to LIMIT the course builders, but that it gives the judges an opportunity to numerically differentiate between JUMPING, between fences, manners, suitability, brilliance, etc. It would take a LOT of work to develop these, but I think worth the effort.

I have proposed the two above ideas several times over the past three or four years, and, essentially, except here on the BB, they have been ignored.

There is no doubt, something has to be done - AND if we can approach the problem from BOTH sides - increased fines and drug testing as well as changes in the SYSTEM, we might make a step further toward saving our horses.

It’s OUT! Linda Allen’s 101 Exercises for Jumping co-authored by MOI!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sam Iam:

Before anyone starts flaming me for thinking I’m “perfect”, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No chance, I’ve already been singled out and awarded that honor, and I refuse to give it up.

Did anyone bring up this subject yet?
(from www.USET.org)
“…Debbie McDonald Named Champion of 2003 Dressage World Cup Final…
Debbie McDonald of Hailey, ID, has become the first U.S. rider to hold the title of Dressage World Cup Champion. McDonald, who originally placed second to German rider Ulla Salzgeber in the 2003 World Cup Dressage Final in Gothenburg, Sweden last March riding Mrs. Peggy C. Thomas’s Brentina, became the 2003 World Cup champion when Salzgeber was disqualified from the championship by the FEI (International Equestrian Federation) Judicial Committee after it determined that her horse, Rusty 47, had been given Testoterone Propionate. …”

This sorta tops the 60 on the upcoming USAE list

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Not only that but what are the odds that a horse is “accidently” fed the wrong feed the same day (or within a day or two) it is drug tested. It doesn’t play right. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Too bad Todd didn’t have a vet take a sample from OhStar that day to verify that he didn’t get his resperine … <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I’m not getting involved in the discussion of intent and purpose, but on a factual basis I’m seeing a lot of problems.
Reserpine is considered testable in a 45 day window. The above statements are inaccurate and misleading.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Two Toofs:
But trust me, if you have one on Equipoise or the like, it won’t just be ‘up’, it will act like a stallion - in all aspects, if ya know what I mean. There will be no doubt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yea, been there done that in the 80’s when it was all the rage in the halter and racing set. We actually had a feed store that sold it OTC (if you knew to ask)!

And it definitely is good for sparking an appetite in weak and debilitated horses. Of course those are exactly the horses that have no business on the track or the halter class…

“I used to care, but things have changed…” Bob Dylan

I’ve put up a poll on OC on one of the points raised

“That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I’m just the one to do it,” --Texas congressional candidate John F. Parker.

Hey… I just joined in this forum… I agree that Florida will be interesting this winter!! Oh… and Morgan Levey rides with Heather Irvine in Michigan… but I didn’t even see her ride this summer!!

I don’t have a nice horse either…

But I do know the reason for why there were so many BNT all of a sudden suspended. If you want to blame anyone, blame the vet! I’m NOT talking about all the other suspensions. I think it is wrong to drug horses and I would never give my horse anything to ‘improve performance.’ I was refering specifically to why these trainers were suspended recently.

Marion
Amalia

Are the dates listed on the suspension list the dates they were actually suspended? How do you know how long the people are suspended for?

How come some people (the recent BNT’s) have a start and end date, and others just have one date next to their name? Forgive my ignorance…I am just curious.

>>It’s not bragging if you can back it up!<<

Julie,

Malfeasor is a combination of Malfeasance and Tortfeasor (one who commits a tort against another.

Following this logic: a Malfeasor is someone who goes around commiting Mals.

If it wasn’t a word yesterday, it is today!