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rant
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To speak or write in an angry or violent manner; rave.
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rant (v.)
1598, from Du. randten “talk foolishly, rave,” of unknown origin (cf. Ger. rantzen “to frolic, spring about”). The noun is first
attested 1649, from the verb. Ranters “antinomian sect which arose in England c.1645” is attested from 1651; applied 1823 to early
Methodists. A 1700 slang dictionary has rantipole “a rude wild Boy or Girl.”
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Pwynn is a PR professional. And what she is doing with Teddy is called marketing. It’s marketing US Eventing, it’s increasing Teddy’s visibility, and as a consequence, it’s also marketing her breeding program. Which should result in better sales at better prices to a bigger market for her.
That’s a whole different thing from advertising.
Not a bad plan, either. Some of y’all should try it with your American breds. Is very similar to what Ironspring Farms has done with Judgement, who is the only American bred warmblood to reach International competition levels that I know of.
My POINT was to show what breeders are putting into it and buyers should be thankful that breeders are EVEN DOING THIS!
Again, its not about you, nothing do you with you and no common factors regarding you.
This thread has become a train wreck.
I’d like to read about inspection results. Since they cannot be posted here, where should I be looking?
A porno spammer has taken over the Oldenburg forum in e-warmbloods. Yech.
I don’t know how the good breeders don’t go bankrupt. 
Let me throw in a few thoughts using my business background…
I think you may have overlooked a few things. If you’re taking hay you could’ve sold and you’re giving it to your own horses, there is still a cost involved. Around here you could’ve gotten $4.50 a squarebale, so that’s $4.50 you’re feeding your mare.
I’m sure feed costs are much less than that, too, because once the foal is weaned and the mare is bred back, she goes out on pasture where hay and grain are fed only when the grass isn’t sufficient to meet nutritional needs- generally winter only.
Please factor in the extra acres of ground. This is ground that could’ve been growing you crops you could sell for cash. Opportunity cost.
Average in extra for the bad years when hay didn’t grow and prices skyrocketed.
Just those differences in expenses add up to $5766. $10,507 less $5766 = $4741
How about cost of the mare / depreciation. If the goal is to get $10k for a foal, the mare’s got to be something above average, I’d think.
How about promotional costs? You’ve got to run ads, go to shows, etc. Cost of getting your name out there & recognized.
People often overlook labor costs, even if you only count yourself at minimum wage. Plus babies should be handled daily. Training costs. Time spent researching stallions and finding good broodmares. Time spent showing the foals to prospective buyers. Now buyers want videos and tons of photos, and that costs time, too.
For example, the sporthorse farm near me is really nice & well run. She spends a fortune on labor to get all the babies handled, halter broke, & friendly. When it comes time for the inspection she needs helpers and grooms. Her vet is out regularly. Her fencing & barns are newer & very foal-safe. She’s a workaholic, always doing something with her herd. But she’s also selling these nice horses in the $7-10k range. I don’t know how she can make a profit.
If you stand your own stallion and live cover, you can subtract another $2200.
No, you add in the cost to buy the stallion, his care, his food, and other expenses. If your great new breeding stallion starts shooting blanks, good luck selling him without gelding him first … and now you’ve got to buy another breeding stallion. Or he could drop dead. Or he could run into a branch and need massive stitching and a huge vet bill.
I think many of you are being overly optimistic. Let’s factor in the years the mare didn’t take and/or the years the mares weren’t in constant back-to-back breedings. Let’s factor in the failed pregnancies, especially when the vet has to rush in to check the mare. Cost of care if just one mare goes badly laminitic (eg retained placenta). Vet bills for the inevitable injury, problem with a foal, or illness. Even in the best farms there’s a risk of death to the mare, so you could invest the breeding plus cost of mare and lose mare and foall. It’s a risky business. You could have the broodies get into something bad and you could lose EVERY foal that year. Cost of training the broodmare to do something useful once her foaling days are over; otherwise her only value is by the pound.
Not everyone can sell their foal the month he’s weaned. Factor in the months (or years) the youngster is kept waiting for the buyer: food, farrier, vet, etc. The longer he stays there, the more training he also needs.
How about the cost of a breeder’s reputation? There’s also an ethical cost of tossing cheap mares out in the field with whatever local stallion could be bought cheap. Then hoping the foals make it, but if a few die frozen to the ground, it’s just the cost of doing business, oh well. Not all buyers are willing to support the “oh well” model of raising horses.
Yes, there are ways to cut corners, but there’s also a point where cutting corners no longer makes sense, “sport horse” or not. There’s no market in my region for half-wild, mediocre-bred youngsters. You’ll find those at my local auction for $75 or $125. Slaughter buyers love bargains.
Kudos to the better breeders who are risking the $10k to give us the quality babies.
I agree, kudos to the breeders who make foals and youngsters available who are bred for the Olympic disciplines and at fair prices.
NA breeders are also tuned in to the amateur market, and looking carefully at character and temperament. The amateur market is our market, IMO. The Debbie McDonald’s of the dressage world are ALWAYS going to be importing.
The only person claiming a profit is cooking their books, IMHHHHHO. This opinion is based on 19 years in the game. It is absolutely brutal, with lost foals, mares with dystocias, on and on.
Diamond girl…I just can’t get understand how you consider the sport ponies that Wynn breeds to be grade mongrels yet you consider the GRP’s to be purebreds and therefore worthy of your approval and consideration. 
Not to pick on Hluing…I think she’s breeding lovely ponies and I’m only using her stock to prove my point:)…but if you look at her mares on her website…she’s very intelligently using crossbred mares TB/welsh and a Trakehner/TB/Connemara cross as well as a purebred arab to cross to nice GRP stallions. The ONLY difference is hers are approved by a German registry and Wynn’s are not. I’ll bet the ISR would love to register Teddy and claim him as one of theirs but Wynn has not done so for her own reasons.
I am just curious how you can consider a GRP/TB/welsh foal or a GRP/Connemara/Trakehner/TB any less a grade pony than a TB/arab/shetland winning a Gold Medal at the Pan Am games?
Wynn sells to hunters and eventers…Hluing sells for dressage…How is that a different market? Aren’t they both sport ponies?
I think my tone only got defensive when the real weird ones ignored the term crossbred so they could feel better.
But please note, Yank, that I DID put in the same post you referenced:
Our very culture makes it less likely (NO NO NO, hardly impossible) that you will find many buyers for your foal…
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That continues to be a problem with these discussions. Take it easy and read what is written so you can recognize when someone qualifies a statement (and when idiots don’t).
I understand your point of view, and your level of frustration over this makes me feel terrible. But really, if breeders don’t like what they do, then they don’t have to do it.
Since I’ve started my equine podiatry certification and started trimming hooves, I’ve learned real quick how horrible of a job farriery can be. I’ve learned that hoof care professionals are over worked, under appreciated, under paid, under recognized, and under estimated. But at the same time, I can’t use this as an excuse to cry and moan every chance I get. I’m going to just do my job, enjoy it, and work with the clients who appreciate me, pay me on time, and respect the work I do. For those clients who don’t fall into that category - well - they won’t be clients for very long.
I get tired of the farrier bashing threads because I’ve been under a horse enough to know that it’s dangerous, tiring, and sometimes thankless. Through apprenticing with a farrier, I’ve learned that farriers need to be elevated to god status and treated like royalty, but we know that doesn’t happen. I see that over my life I will be kicked around, beat up, cheated out of money, talked about, and made out to be the bad guy, at one point or another.
So as long as I choose this as my line of work, I am also choosing the not-so-glamorous side right along with it. And that’s what you are doing as a breeder. You choose to meet the costs of raising a top quality warmblood foal, so don’t complain when the market thinks your baby isn’t worth it.
STF, if you have prospective buyers who don’t respect your asking prices, then kindly ask them to move on and don’t sweat it so much.
Yes, I agree…she is to be admired and respected. I’m sure she sees the same values in her Kiger Mustangs as I see in my Spanish Mustangs…intelligence, trainability, athleticism, and excellent movement. Both of our breeds are closely related; and I admire her for daring to be different also and having an open mind as well.
Is this a semantics issue? I think of the term “grade” to mean “of unknown origin.” Or completely mixed up, like my Libbey who is QH/POA/Shetland. I consider her to be grade. Meaning it could be a little of this and a little of that. I use the term “part bred” or “crossbred” to mean something of known origin such as a TB/Hano cross, or QH/Arab, etc.
I think diamondgirl is using the term grade to mean anything that isn’t pure and registered.
I personally don’t care one bit about registries and purity because in the end, they all go back to one or two breeds anyway. :winkgrin:
STF, I think for the sake of your health, you should let it go :yes:. To understand this other side of your issue (about why so many–whoops, let me qualify that: “the majority???”–will NOT be “thankful” for someone breeding with your philosophy), I suggest again that you read the old threads originated by Denny and Daydream Believer about why even a BNT like Denny can’t sell babies and what it means in this country to have such a significant “middle market,” both in breeding goals and in buying goals.
I was justifying other breeders prices on their top bred horses. This is not about me or my farm, its about the whole breeding industry who breed.
STF, I think for the sake of your health, you should let it go :yes:.
Im not upset at all, Im laughing.
STF I agree theres some here with a learning disablity but its you who fits that description.
I suggest again that you read the old threads originated by Denny and Daydream Believer about why even a BNT like Denny can’t sell babies and what it means in this country to have such a significant “middle market,” both in breeding goals and in buying goals.
Again, there are many breeders who dont have problems selling babies or young stock. For those who cant sell or having trouble, maybe its time to re-evaluate their program.
Again, its hard to find top bloodlines that are not already sold in North America (in what I am looking for). So… again, apples to oranges.
Smart Chick o Lena’s stud fee is advertised at $25,000.
Sonetimes I wonder if this board should be split European Warmbloods/Everyone else
Nope! :lol:
Just a bunch of anti warmblood people coming on here trying to beat down the breeders who breed quality stock. Meeeeee thinks is really funny… :lol:
Or you could end up with a broken leg because you decided to “cut corners” and do only live cover. Or, you could end up not being able to use him the entire breeding season because he was kicked in the genitals. Or, he might have gotten nasty with a recalcitrant mare and you end up getting sued for the cost of the mare he savaged. Or, you end up losing income because you can’t/won’t spend the money to be able to ship semen on the stallion. Or, you can end up getting sued because the help you hired to do live cover ends up catching a mare’s hoof in the face because she wasn’t going to stand for the stallion. Or, you end up losing the breeding season because you decided to pasture breed instead and your stallion’s penis ends up getting lacerated by the tail hail on the mare who’s tail wasn’t wrapped for breeding. Sorry. I’ve seen it all. Cost of setting up for AI is minimal by comparison. One vet call and you’ve paid for it all. Don’t think it happens??
Top stallion Banks Fee Daniel put down
Trevor Cooper, H&H news writer
14 June, 2007
Leading show jumping sire Banks Fee Daniel was put down recently after sustaining a broken leg while performing stud duties. Top breeding stallion Banks Fee Daniel, a leading sire of show jumpers, was put down on 21 May following a leg injury. The 20-year-old Irish Draught, by Skippy out of a mare by Power Station, sustained a fractured tibia after being kicked while performing stud duties. Owner Maggie Spreckley-Dollard paid tribute: “It was a sad and tragic death. He was one of my best friends and his demise has left a huge hole in our lives.”
The 16.3hh bay was one of only 10 UK registered Irish Draught stallions approved by the Irish Horse Board. In 2005, he was ranked within the top 25% of the United States Equestrian Federation’s list of leading sires of show jumpers. Mrs Spreckley-Dollard added: “The years had been kind to him and at the time of his death he was incredibly well and the same larger than life character he had been all his life.” Daniel had consistently covered a large number of mares over an 18-year career both in the UK and the US, leaving stock such as Raunds Spring Bank Holly and Galatea.
This news story was first published in Horse & Hound (14 June, '07)
Pwynn, I think the promotion and advertising you will gain from Teddy will far outweigh the expenses. Again, when selling weanlings, we’re selling potential. The potential of Teddy’s siblings just shot through the roof exponentially and I doubt you’ll have ANY problems selling any of them. I think most of us would KILL for the opportunity to have the kind of marketing windfall that came your way - although I don’t think I would necessarily consider it a “windfall”…years of hard, hard work come more to mind <smile>. While most of us won’t ever have a horse of the international caliber that you just did, I believe that most of us dream of producing that ONE foal that not only has the potential of going all the way, manages to fall in the right hands to take him all the way. Alas, the stars have to line up just right for that to happen.
Kathy St.Martin
Equine Reproduction Short Courses
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