[QUOTE=vineyridge;2617097]
the designers tightened the times. Now it’s as much time as agility/ability that is the determining factor on XC day.[/QUOTE]
But the penalty on time is not great, so not much reward for making time, the whole thing still skewed to dressage phase?
Pwynn, I was imagining a new dressage test that focused on speed, and I knew you couldn’t mean that. 
Or
[A] little less shifting of FEI tests over the years to favor WB attributes, take for one example the now emphasis of dressage in eventing. If the tests have to be shifted, what does that tell you about the quality of horse?
HUH??? One of the biggest reasons for the change in format was that someone saw the writing on the wall that said that eventing takes up way too much land and space for big international competitions and if they wanted to keep eventing in the Olympics and the WEG, they had better ‘small’ it down.
Tiki, and yet endurance is the biggest growing FEI sport, in all countries it’s taking off in leaps and bounds. 50 miles courses, 100 miles…
Drvm, you really can’t see the skewed tests to get favorable results? And now, according to you, jumping the high jump is too “dangerous” so it’s no longer on ticket for jumpers to do? How about you haven’t been breeding for higher so the horses can’t handle it nor can the riders handle the training they need to devote it…
Yet another discipline lost in the hands of the world’s “best” sporthorse registries… Oh well, carry on.
[QUOTE=vineyridge;2617052]
Now the Germans are pushing for another format change–or so it seems. One of the very top German riders at the moment has said that showjumping should come after dressage and before cross country. He thinks that the way the sport should be run. The reasoning is that XC would then be on the third day and truly be the deciding factor. Only that is a really enormous difference in the very basis of the sport, and one that will again favor WBs. Why? It won’t test the gas in the tank left over after a strenuous day of competition. The endurance aspect will be totally eliminated. (And in one anticipated or unanticipated consequence, the dressage and showjumping scores will set the leaders before XC, so really time penalties will decide competitions. Get a low dressage score and a clear showjumping round, and then do everything you can to go clear on XC, even if time decides.).[/QUOTE]
But there USED TO BE “Bonus Points” for going faster than “optimum”, so speed was EVEN MORE important.
[QUOTE=sm;2616812]
Corlando reportedly cleared an 8’ jump once.
Not officially, the FEI doesn’t recognize it. The FEI recordholders are viewable in a PDF over on their site, I don’t have time to link to it at this moment. Although my compliments to Corlando’s efforts…
OMG…I get it now… the sport horse world has been taken over by a nasty conspiracy developed by the wb breeders to ruin upper level horse sport.
:lol:,please…this just gets more and more bizarre everyday.
In Ireland all horses are supposed to be registered. Therefore if it is not a TB, Conn or ID it is an ISH as far as the Irish Horses Board is concerned.
In the US a RIDSH has to have a minimum of 1/8 Registered Irish Draught and pass inspection
OK, but even a NORTH AMERICAN RIDSH could have some WB blood.
Can you point to all the current world record high jump attempts? The ones where all the TBs ridden by riders who can handle the training (I imagine they are all Americans, as Europeans wouldn’t have a clue)?
They don’t happen.
Because no one is interested in breaking the record, be they riding TBs or WBs. That whole thing went out of vogue 60 years ago when military riding was in decline.
There are regular Puissance competitions at most showjumping shows, where is arguably a more impressive achievement as it is a straight up and down wall. They are almost invariably won by WBs. Why do you not see TBs winning them? I mean there must be at least 30,000 TBs on the backside of US tracks from Retama to Emerald Downs that are capable of jumping a straight wall over 7’10"… at least according to you.
Horses that jump that high are freaks, be they TBs or WBs, and nobody… that’s right nobody, breeds horses specifically to jump 8ft. Because there is no friggin point in doing so.
Why don’t you offer a series of high jump competitions with $1m prizes to see if anyone can break the record and see who shows up to jump in them. You seriously think it’s going to be all TBs?
Get a grip.
If competitions have changed over the years that’s only a natural occurance, it’s not some big conspiracy. 150 years ago TBs used to race in 4 mile heats. You wouldn’t have a hope in hell showing up nowadys at the Kentucky Derby with one of those kinds of TBs. Is that some grand conspiracy by people who bred speed horses? No, the world changes.
And what’s this “you haven’t been breeding” crap? I don’t bred WBs.
The horse breeding I have been most closely involved with in my time on this planet has been TBs, NH horses primarily, followed by ISHs.
That doesn’t stop me from appreciating, and/or admiring, the achievements of WB breeders. A good horse is a good horse.
In the US a RIDSH has to have a minimum of 1/8 Registered Irish Draught and pass inspection
in a halter at a jog. There is no performance test for them in this country.
And as far as endurance races go, they are over natural terrain on established trails or areas for the most part and certainly don’t require a huge area. For the Olympics, the cross country phase of eventing required a HUGE area of land to set up cross country jumps, with specific requirements for hills and woods and water. BIG difference!
Grogan’s Hi Fidelity is a grandson of the Oldenberg First Class and Vendetta is a son of Ohorn, so that is about 10%.
And yes the inspection is in hand but many of the stallions, like Cruising are out competing
OK I’ll bite. What is the minumum acreage required for Endurance? If you assume the track is 10 m wide, and 100 miles long, JUST THE TRACK ITSELF is 400 acres.
For the Olympics, the cross country phase of eventing required a HUGE area of land to set up cross country jumps, with specific requirements for hills and woods and water. BIG difference!
A- getting rid of roads and tracks and steeplechase did not change the amount of land required for the cross country course.
B- I would be very interested to see your source for “specific requirements for hills and woods and water.” I do not remember any woods, and not much in the way of hills, at Athens. I am not sure there is even a requirement for a water jump, but it is certainly expected. The water jump itself doesn’t take up much land.
If competitions have changed over the years that’s only a natural occurance, it’s not some big conspiracy
That’s just so not true. Many of the British events are still held over the terrain as for many years in the past. The courses have been modernized every year to meet new FEI guidelines for “safety”. The whole Olympics were dumbed down this past time to give those countries and riders who weren’t eventing powers the chance to finish. Changes have been imposed in the name of safety almost every year, but the reseach to support them hasn’t been done. Guess what. Horses and riders are STILL dying and being horribly injured just as in the past. I haven’t looked at the FEI site lately, but they have statistics for eventing there that go back to 2002, and the sport isn’t a heck of a lot safer. It’s possible to sell a lot of new things in the name of safety, especially if it helps to even the field.
I still don’t know why the huge change in the dressage requirements. I was at Rolex in 1999 and watched some of the 4* dressage. It was pitiful, and the tests were relatively easy. One horse looked dressagey. Fast forward to 2005, and the top horses were doing “real” dressage at a relatively high level.
In the Ingrid Klimke interview on The Horse Magazine site, it’s pointed out that the Germans had been horribly frustrated in eventing until after the new changes. Now they dominate the world.
That’s a huge shift in five years, and isn’t a natural evolution of the sport.
[QUOTE=Drvmb1ggl3;2617500]
A good horse is a good horse.[/QUOTE]
Then if you’ve read my posts: we’re on the same page. I don’t “buy” that all dressage horses “need” to be WBs, as I stated continuously. And either does the USDF.
I ask if you intend to show TALENT and get my vote, then prove it, don’t revise FEI tests absurdly and then say “look, we’re the best.” If WBs state they have the best jumpers far superior, and they don’t have the highest jump on FEI records, well then… hmmmm. I would say certianly not across the board. That’s fair and correct to the records, yes?
What in the name of all that is good are you talking about?
a)Unless you started watching eventing last week, surely you’d know that the Germans have always been a world power in Eventing.
b) They don’t dominate eventing now, anymore than they have at times in the past.
Here’s the last 50 odd years of Olympic and World Championship eventing results.
Olympics:
2004
Gold
France France (FRA)
Arnaud Boiteau on Expo du Moulin
Cédric Lyard on Fine Merveille
Didier Courrèges on Débat D’Estruval
Jean Teulère on Espoir de la Mère
Nicolas Touzaint on Galan de Sauvegère
Silver
Great Britain Great Britain (GBR)
Jeanette Brakewell on Over To You
Mary King on King Solomon III
Leslie Law on Shear L’Eau
Pippa Funnell on Primmore’s Pride
William Fox-Pitt on Tamarillo
Bronze
United States United States (USA)
Kimberly Severson on Winsome Adante
Darren Chiacchia on Windfall 2
John Williams on Carrick
Amy Tryon on Poggio II
Julie Richards on Jacob Two Two
2000
Gold
Australia
Phillip Dutton / House Doctor
Andrew Hoy / Darien Powers
Stuart Tinney / Jeepster
Matt Ryan / Kibah Sandstone
Silver
Britain
Ian Stark / Jaybee
Jeanette Brakewel / Over To You
Pippa Funnell / Supreme Rock
Leslie Law / Shear H2O
Bronze
United States
Nina Fout / 3 Magic Beans
Karen O’Connor / Prince Panache
David O’Connor / Giltedge
Linden Wiesman / Anderoo
1996
Gold
Australia Wendy Schaeffer and Sunburst
Gillian Rolton and Peppermint Grove
Andrew Hoy and Darien Powers
Phillip Dutton and True Blue Girdwood
Silver
United States
Karen O’Connor and Biko
David O’Connor and Giltedge
Bruce Davidson and Heyday
Jill Henneberg and Nirvana
Bronze
New Zealand
Blyth Tait and Chesterfield
Andrew Nicholson and Jaggermeister II
Vaughn Jefferis and Bounce
Victoria Latta and Broadcast News
1992
Gold
Australia David Green and Duncan II
Gillian Rolton and Peppermint Grove
Andrew Hoy and Kiwi
Matthew Ryan and Kibah Tic Toc
Silver
New Zealand Blyth Tait and Missiah
Andrew Nicholson and Spinning Rhombu
Mark Todd and Welton Greylag
Victoria Latta and Chief
Bronze
Germany Herbert Bloecker and Feine Dame
Ralf Ehrenbrink and Kildare II
Matthias Baumann and Alabaster
Cord Mysegages and Ricardo
1988
Gold
West Germany Claus Erhorn and Justyn Thyme
Matthias Andreas Baumann and Shamrock 11
Thies Kaspareit and Sherry 42
Ralf Ehrenbrink and Uncle Todd
Silver
Great Britain Captain Mark Phillips and Cartier
Karen Straker and Get Smart
Virginia Leng and Master Craftsman
Ian Stark and Sir Wattie
Bronze
New Zealand Mark Todd and Charisma
Margaret Knighton and Enterprise
Andrew Bennie and Grayshott
Tinks Pottinger and Volunteer
1984
Gold
United States United States (USA)
John Plumb and Blue Stone
Karen Stives and Ben Arthur
Torrance Fleischmann and Finvarra
Bruce Davidson and JJ Babu
Silver
Great Britain Great Britain (GBR)
Virginia Leng and Priceless
Ian Stark and Oxford Blue
Diana Clapham and Windjammer
Lucinda Green and Regal Realm
Bronze
West Germany West Germany (FRG)
Bettina Overesch and Peacetime
Burkhard Tesdorpf and Freedom
Claus Erhorn and Fair Lady
Dietmar Hogrefe and Foliant
1976
Gold
USA
Edmund Coffin
Michael Plumb
Bruce Davidson
Mary Tauskey Bally Cor
Better and Better
Irish Cap
Marcus Aurelius
Silver
Germany
Karl Schultz
Herbert Blocker
Helmut Rethemeier
Otto Ammermann Madrigal
Albrant
Pauline
Volturno
Bronze
Australia
Wayne Roycroft
Mervyn Bennett
William Roycroft
Dennis Pigott Laurenson
Regal Reign
Version
Hillstead
1972
Gold
Great Britain
Richard Meade
Mary Watson
Bridget Parker
Captain Mark Phillips Laurieston
Cornishman
Cornish Gold
Great Ovation
Silver
USA
Kevin Freeman
Bruce Davidson
John Plumb
James Wofford Good Mixture
Plain Sailing
Free and Easy
Kilkenny
Bronze
West Germany
Harry Klugmann
Ludwig Goessing
Karl Schultz
Horst Karsten Christopher R.
Chicago
Pisco
Sioux
1968
Gold
Great Britain
Derek Allhusen
Richard Meade
Reuben Jones Lochinvar
Cornishman V
The Poacher
Silver
USA
James Wofford
Michael Page
John Plumb Kilkenny
Foster
Plain Sailing
Bronze
Australia
Brian Cobcroft
Wayne Roycroft
William Roycroft Depeche
Zhivago
Warrathoola
1964
Gold
Italy
Mauro Checcoli on Surbean,
Paolo Angioni on King,
and Giuseppe Ravano on Royal Love
Silver
USA
Michael Page on The Grasshopper,
Kevin Freeman on Gallopade,
and John Plumb on Bold Minstrel
Bronze
Germany
Fritz Legges on Donkosak,
Horst Karsten on Condora,
and Gerhard Schulz on Balza
1960
Gold
AUS
Laurence Morgan
Neil Lavis
William Roycroft Salad Days
Mirrabooka
Our Solo
Silver
SUI
Anton Buhler
Hans Schwarzenback
Rudolf Gunthardt Gay-Speak
Burn Trout
Atraba
Bronze
France
Jack Le Goff
Guy Lefrant
Jehan Le Roy Image
Nicias
Garden
1956
Gold
GB
Francis Weldon
Arthur Rook
Albert Hill Kilbarry
Wild Venture
Countryman III
Silver
Germany
August Lutke Westhues
Otto Rothe
Klaus Wagner Trux Von Kamax
Sissi
Prinzess
Bronze
Canada
John Rumble
Jim Elder
Brian Herbinson Cilroy
Colleen
Tara
1952
Gold
Sweden
Hans Von Blixen Finecke Jr.
Olof Stahre
Folke Frolen Jubal
Komet
Fair
Silver
Germany
Wihlem Busing
Klaus Wagner
Otto Rothe Hubertus
Dachs
Trux Von Kamax
Bronze
USA
Charles Hough Jr.
Walter Staley Jr.
Jown Wofford Cassivellannus
Craigwood Park
Benny Grimes
World Chamionships:
1966
Ireland: Virginia FREEMAN-JACKSON (Sam Weller), Maj. Eddie BOYLAN (Durlas Eile), Penelope MORETON (Loughlin), Tom BRENNAN (Kilkenny) +80.40
Argentina: Capt. Carlos MORATORIO (Chalan), Lt. Roberto PISTARINI (Desidia), Ludovico FUSCO (Gatopardo), Enrique SZTYRLE (Hijo Manso) 213.80
Only two teams finished the competition
1970
Great Britain: Mary GORDON-WATSON (Cornishman V), Richard MEADE (The Poacher), Mark PHILLIPS (Chicago III), Stuart STEVENS (Benson) 132.40
France Michel COCHENET (Quaker), Dominique BENTEJAC (Trou Normand), Dominique FLAMENT (Qui Dit Mieux), Henri MICHEL (Ouragan) 568.40
Only two teams finished the competition
1974
USA: Bruce DAVIDSON (Irish Cap), John-Michael PLUMB (Good Mixture), Edward EMERSON (Victor Dakin), Don SACHEY (Plain Sailing) 288.07
Great Britain: Richard MEADE (Wayfarer II), Bridget PARKER (Cornish Gold), Christopher COLLINS (Smokey VI), Capt. Mark PHILLIPS (Columbus) 458.60
3. West Germany: Martin PLEWA (Virginia), Herbert BLOCKER (Albrant), Horst KARSTEN (Sioux), Kurt MERGLER (Vaibel) 519.53
1978
2. West-Germany: Helmut RETHEMEIER (Ladalco), Otto AMMERMANN (Volturno), Harry KLUGMANN (Veberot), Herbert BLOCKER (Albrant) 513.00
1982
2. West-Germany: Helmut RETHEMEIER (Santiago), Rudiger SCHWARZ (Power Game), Herbert BLOCKER (Ladad), Dietmar HOGREFE (Foliant 6) 174.60
1986
Great Britain: Virginia LENG (Priceless), Lorna CLARKE (Myross), Ian STARK (Oxford Blue), Clarissa STRACHAN (Delphy Dazzle) 300.60
France: Marie-Christine DUROY (Harley), Armand BIGOT (Jacquou du Bois), Thierry TOUZAINT (Gardenia III), Vincent BERTHET (Jupille) 443.60
Australia: Barry ROYCROFT (Last Tango), Scott KEACH (Trade Commissioner), Wayne ROYCROFT (Valdez), Andrew HOY (Just James) 493.55
New-Zealand: Trudy BOYCE (Mossman), Mark TODD (Charisma), Merran HAIN (Chief), Judith ‘Tinks’ POTTINGER (Volunteer) 523.80
[B]
West-Germany: Claus ERHORN (Fair Lady), Christoph WAGNER (Phillip), Hans Friedrich WAGNER (Slainey Time), Horst KARSTEN (Eldorado) 608.00[/B]
1990
New-Zealand: Andrew NICHOLSON (Spinning Rhombus), Andrew SCOTT (Umptee), Blyth TAIT (Messiah), Mark TODD (Bahlua) 205.90
Great-Britain: Karen STRAKER (Get Smart), Rodney POWELL (The Irishmann II), Virginia LENG (Griffin), Ian STARK (Murphy Himself) 246.65
[B]
West-Germany: Edith BEINE (Kyang), Matthias BAUMANN (Alabaster), Marina LOHEIT (Sundance Kid), Herbert BLÖCKER (Feine Dame) 259.85[/B]
USA: C. Michael HUBER (Pedigree Phoenix), David O’CONNOR (Wilton Fair), J. Michael PLUMB (Chagall), Bruce O. DAVIDSON (Pirate Lion) 292.90
1994
Great-Britain: Karen DIXON (Get Smart), Mary THOMSON (King William), Charlotte BATHE (The Cool Customer), Kristina GIFFORD (General Jock) 198.80
France: Jean-Lou BIGOT (Twist La Beige), Jean TEULERE (Rodosto), Marie-Christine DUROY (Summersong) 213.20
3. Germany Bettina: OVERESCH (Watermill Stream), Cord MYSEGAES (Ricardo), Ralf EHRENBRINK (Kildare) 279.60
Australia: Prue CRIBB (Navarone), Phillip DUTTON (True Bird Girwood), Felicity CRIBB (Carmody Street), Gillian ROLTON (Peppermint Grove) 289.80
Ireland: Eric SMILEY (Enterprise), Gerry FLYNN (Meanus), David FOSTER (Duneight Carnival) 305.60
New-Zealand: Vaughan JEFFERIS (Bounce), Mark TODD (Just an Ace), Andrew NICHOLSON (Jager Meister II) 391.80
1998
New-Zealand: Blyth TAIT (Ready Teddy), Mark TODD (Broadcast News), Vaughan JEFFERIS (Bounce), Sally CLARK (Squirrel Hill) 137.65
France: Marie-Christine DUROY (Summer Song GB), Rodolphe SCHERER (Bambi de Brière), Jean-Lou BIGOT (Twist La Beige), Philippe MULL (Viens du Frêne) 182.85
USA: David O’CONNOR (Giltedge), Kerry MILLIKIN (Out And About), Bruce DAVIDSON (Heyday), Karen O’CONNOR (Prince Panache) 186.15
Sweden: Paula TORNQUIST (SAS Monaghan), Linda ALGOTSSON (Lafayett), Magnus OSTERLUND (Master Mind), Anna HILTON (Home Run II) 199.65
Ireland: Virginia MC GRATH (The Yellow Earl), Mark KYLE (Irish Patriot), Lucy THOMPSON (Welton Molecule), Eric SMILEY (Enterprise) 326.80
2002
USA: John WILLIAMS (Carrick), Kimberly VINOSKI (Winsome Adante), David O’CONNOR (Giltedge), Amy TRYON (Poggio II) 175.40
France: Cédric LYARD (Fine Merveille), Jean TEULÈRE (Espoir de la Mare), Jean-Luc FORCE (Crocus Jacob), Didier COURRÈGES (Free Style Ene HN) 192.40
Great Britain: Jeanette BRAKEWELL (Over To You), Pippa FUNNELL (Supreme Rock), William FOX-PITT (Tamarillo (horse)), Leslie LAW (Shear H20) 199.00
Australia: Andrew HOY (Moonfleet), Olivia BUNN (GB Top of the Line), David MIDDLETON (Willowbank Jack), Stuart TINNEY (Ava) 199.40
New Zealand: Blyth TAIT (Ready Teddy), Andrew NICHOLSON (Fenicio), Daniel JOCELYN (Silence), Heelan TOMPKINS (Classic Hits Crusada) 224.80
2006
1. Germany: Frank Ostholt (Air Jordan 2), Hinrich Romeike (Marius Voigt-Logistik), Bettina HOY (Ringwood Cockatoo), Ingrid Klimke (Sleep Late) 156.00
Great Britain: Zara PHILLIPS (Toytown), Daisy DICK (Spring Along), William FOX-PITT (Tamarillo), Mary KING (Call Again Cavalier) 180.00
Australia: Clayton FREDERICKS (Ben Along Time), Megan JONES (Kirby Park Irish Jester), Andrew HOY (Master Monarch), Sonja JOHNSON (Ringwould Jaguar) 197.30
USA: Amy TRYON (Poggio), Kimberly SEVERSON (Winsome Adante), Will FAUDREE (Antigua), Heidi WHITE (Northern Spy) 198,10
Sweden: Magnus GÄLLERDAL (Keymaster 3), Dag ALBERT (Who’s Blitz), Linda ALGOTSSON (My Fair Lady 59), Viktoria CÄLERBAG (Bally Geronimo) 218.20
New Zealand: Heelan TOMPKINS (Glengarrick), Andrew NICHOLSON (Lord Killinghurst), Caroline POWELL (Lenamore), Joe MEYER (Snip 2) 221.70
They have consistently medaled over the years, having peaks and valleys, just like any of the other major eventing countries, PRE and POST short format. Since the 70’s their teams have generally been mounted on a mix of homebred WBs and Irish and British halfbreds, that hasn’t changed since the switch to short format. Their top horse since the switch has been an ISH, Ringwood Cockatoo. One could make they argument that the German teams 50 years ago were all WB, so they’ve gone backwards in that regard.
Your argument makes no sense. You guys make this stuff up as you go along with no regard for the facts.
They are even more successful in Showjumping, with zillions of gold medals, riding WBs all the way back. So they didn’t need to make the courses more technical for their WBs to win (contrary to what you and SM would have us believe), they were already cleaning up 50 years ago.
Here, check it out.
Sydney 2000
Gold
Germany (Marcus Ehning/Otto Becker/Lars
Nieberg/Ludger Beerbaum)
Silver
Switzerland (Lesley McNaught/Markus Fuchs/Beat
Maendli/WIlli Melliger)
Bronze Brazil (Luiz Felipe De Azevedo/Andre
Johannpeter/Alvaro Miranda Neto/Rodrigo Pessoa)
Atlanta 1996
[B]Gold
Germany (Ludgar Beerbaum/Ulrich Kirchhoff/Lars
Nieberg/Franke Sloothaak)
[/B]Silver
United States (Peter Leone/Anne
Kursinski/Michael Matz/Leslie Burr Howard)
Bronze
Brazil (Rodrigo Pessoa/Alvaro Miranda Neto/Luiz
Felipe Azevedo/Andre Johannpeter)
Barcelona 1992
Gold
Netherlands (Piet Raymakers/Bert Romp/Jan Tops
/Jos Lansink)
Silver
Austria (Boris Boor/Joerg Muntzner/Hugo
Simon/Thomas Fruhmann)
Bronze
France (Herve Godignon/Hubert Bourdy/Michel
Robert/Eric Navet)
Seoul 1988
[B]Gold
West Germany (Ludgar Beerbaum/Wolfgang
Brinkmann/Dirk Hafemeister/Franke Sloothaak)
[/B]Silver
United States (Greg Best/Lisa Jacquin/Anne
Kursinski/Joe Fargis)
Bronze
France (Bourdy Hubert/Frederic Cottier/Michel
Robert/Pierre Durand)
Los Angeles 1984
Gold
United States (Joe Fargis/Conrad Homfeld/Leslis
Burr/Melanie Smith)
Silver
Great Britain (Michael Whitaker/John
Whitaker/Steven Smith/Timothy Grubb)
Bronze
West Germany (Paul Schockemohle/Pete
Luther/Franke Sloothaak/Fritz Ligges)
Montreal 1976
Gold
France (Hubert parot/Marc Roguet/Marcel
Rozier/Michel Roche)
Silver
West Germany (Alwin Schockemoehle/Hans-
Gunter Winkler/Sonke Soenksen/Paul
Schockemoehle)
Bronze
Belgium (Francois Mathy/Eric Wauters/Edgar-
Henri Cuepper/Stanny Van Paeschen)
Munich 1972
Gold
West Germany (Fritz Ligges/Gerhard
Wiltfang/Hartwig steenken/Hans-Gunter Winkler
Silver
United States (William Steinkraus/Neal
Shapiro/Kathy Kusner/Frank Chapot)
Bronze
Italy (Vittorio Orlandi/Raimondo D’Inzeo/Graziano
Mancinelli/Piero D’Inzeo)
Mexico City 1968
Gold
Canada (Jim Elder/Jim Day/Tom Gayford)
Silver
France (Janou Lefebvre Marcel Rozier/Pierre
Jonqueres d’Oriola )
Bronze
West Germany (Alwin Schockemoehle/Hans-
Gunter Winkler/Hermann Schridde)
Tokyo 1964
Gold
West Germany (Hans-Gunter Winkler/Fritz
Thiedemann/Alwin Schockemoehle)
Silver
United States (Frank Chapot/William
Steinkraus/George Morris)
Bronze
Italy (Raimondo D’Inzeo/Piero D’Inzeo/Antonio
Oppes)
Melbourne 1956
Gold
West Germany (Hans-Gunter Winkler/Fritz
Thiedemann/Alfons Lutke-Westhues)
Silver
Italy (Raimondo D’Inzeo/Piero D’INzeo/Salvatore
Oppes)
Bronze
Great Britain (Wilfred H. White/Patricia
Smythe/Peter Robeson)
Ineresting list. And some feel that Chris Bartle’s coaching has also made a big difference in recent years.
Not doubting the Germans are brilliant at eventing but I do believe alot of their horses were mostly TB’ or TB x’s bought from us (the UK) to compete.
I see alot of English horses in the German teams mentioned on the list…we may not see so many now the long format has been abandoned. (Edited to include Irish bred TB x’s too )
D*mn DVRM-
Now you have gone and shown the Fatal Weakness in The Plan of (German) Warmblood Breeders all over the World to Ruin the True Sport of Eventing!!
Despite our Scheming and Efforts and Dastardly Planning, we STILL have not managed to win a Gold Medal in many, many years.
What to do… what to do…
WAIT! I know!! We will force all eventers to pull a turnip cart for 5 miles!! There! That will show True Natural Talent. (Plus it will move a lot of turnips thereby cutting global emissions). Besides, we all know that Warmbloods are actually Cart Horses in disguise anyways. Now we can show our True Natural Talent off to its best advantage.
Wha – ha – ha – ha – ha (evil laughter fading away)
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