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Wait, your trainer is unwilling to get on this horse, yet is telling you this? Like I said, I don’t judge her for her unwillingness to ride a horse that’s reared, but how can she tell you this when she doesn’t have this confidence herself? Especially after she found not one but two young horses when I assume she knew your history of injuries and lack of confidence.

If you don’t feel comfortable riding this horse, there is no obligation for you to keep him. I agree with others–he’s not the horse you need right now. From your description of him, even after training, he likely needs a program with a very brave trainer and a very brave rider with a sticky seat and quick reflexes. It’s really hard to reinforce the lessons of training if you’re always riding defensively, thinking what he’s capable of pulling. This doesn’t mean you’re a bad rider–but take some lessons on a boring schoolmaster who is beneath your level of difficulty, in terms of his personality, to remind yourself of what you can do.

Confidence is built by having mostly good rides, not scary ones beyond your level of ability to figure out challenges. Sometimes our fears are irrational, but sometimes they are rational. And even if you could overcome your fears, it’s also worth asking if this is still the best horse for you.

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well, I dropped him off last Saturday to the trainers. We’ve had a particularly bad snap of very cold weather so I am dying to know how he’s doing and behaving, but I have yet to hear anything and I’m getting impatient but I know I need to chill out; they did tell me to give them about a week or so and then they would reach out to me. my trainer said it would be reasonable to reach out this upcoming monday if i haven’t heard anything from them

if i find out he has acted completely wild with them (any rearing behavior) i will see what my options are with them to list him because im just not dealing with it. i have no issue asking them whether they think he is ammy-friendly or not (especially ANXIOUS ammy)

ive had some rides at my barn on solid citizens recently and its been so nice to just ride horses where i feel confident and happy and not scared shitless

for those who have sent horses to training before - what was the format in which the trainers kept in touch with you?

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This says a lot. I hope you actually end up finding another horse who brings you peace and joy and happy rides. Worry-filled riding is just not fun. Plus I think horses can sometimes sense that. I wish you luck in your decision, but I vote for finding a new horse and moving your current boy to someone who doesn’t mind that kind of ride. You’re right, he might get better and be a great horse for someone. I still think maybe it’s not with you – at least at this point. No shame in that. Find what you’re comfortable riding now, even if you get braver later. Hugs. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Dont recall any “format” from any trainer I ever used. It depends on their schedule and also their progress-or lack thereof. Plus some are just not great talkers.

IIWY and since they asked you to give them “about a week or so” wait a few more days to initiate the discussion. Give them time to put in about 8-10 rides before asking them specifically if he is Ammy friendly or not, let them do their job. They may well call you Monday after having a whole week to work with him. If not, IMO Wed would be appropriate.

But do you really already know in your heart he is not for you? Do not try to talk yourself out of that feeling, it is unlikely to go away even if he improves and that horse will know that the instant you pick up the reins. You do not HAVE to fix him and somebody else will enjoy that challenge while you relax and enjoy a less ambitious saint of a packer. Nothing to prove to us on here or to yourself forcing yourself to continue with this green WB going through a brat phase that could last for some time.

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I’m so glad to hear this! Isn’t riding FUN, when you don’t feel like you’re sitting on a ticking time bomb (real or imagined)?

I’d wait until Tuesday or Wednesday to contact them. They may call you Monday afternoon or evening after everything is done for the day. But either way I still think this isn’t the horse for you - riding other horses can really open your eyes to how much you weren’t getting along.

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Lost confidence and anxiety in the saddle is the song of my people. About a year ago I had a series of incidents with a few horses that really rattled me. It was my confidence that took the most damage. I wasn’t as big and bad as I thought I was.

For the longest time I was a big weenie who just wanted to ride the dead calm steady Eddie ploddis alongis.

It took me a while to realize that was okay. At least I got back in the saddle. Then barn owner started putting me on other horses. Those were anxiety filled rides on horses I didn’t know. But they were good eggs and my brain went ‘Oh hey I survived!’

What really helped was my trainer putting me on her competition horse. We started on the lunge line and my trainer kept giving me instructions so I had to focus on listening and not get all up iny head. Basically it distracted me from my anxiety.

TL:DR I can relate to lost confidence and my advice for what it’s worth is be kind and patient with yourself. You can work through it in your own time. And listen to your gut!

Sorry I don’t have any advice with the horse training. Life is short and you deserve a horse that you feel safe on and have fun on.

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I had a mare that was kind of like this. Rearing was her fresh and spooking thing. She was never doing it because she felt too constrained by the bit, or because she was upset, in pain, etc. It was just that adrenaline stacked, and then something triggered, and where some horses might spook sideways, she would go up. I knew her well enough that when she had that twitchy feeling, I had to get off and lunge. Plenty of people will say lunging isn’t for getting the fresh off, but it worked for her, and was the safest way to flush the adrenaline from her system.

OP, I agree that it sounds like you’ll be better off moving this horse along. The trainers might need the full month to really make an assessment, depending on how long it takes for him to settle into the new routine. Sometimes they see the need to start back with ground work, and don’t get right to the riding.

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I’m asking the 3/4 - what are you wanting to do with this horse (if you keep him) that you’re concerned you won’t be able to find another horse to do that with? Is it realistic that you can’t find another to do that thing?

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okay have another update-

checked in with (horse) trainer today and had a short exchange. to be honest, im not getting as much information as i’d like, but i’m really trying to not be a pest, so i’m trying to be patient.

first text stated that “he’s been doing well. he’s green about some things but what a fabulous canter he has!”

i replied and asked if there had been any rearing… keep in mind he has only been there 9 days

her second and final text - “he’s given a couple of ‘opinions’ when first asked to leave the barn area once you get on, but no full on rearing. whenever he sulks back at all, we send him forward. i like him a lot, with some time he’s going to be really cool.” then she went into some details about his fitness level

i really want to know what the “opinions” are but my last text go read and then ignored, hence where i am attempting (and failing) to be patient. i did ask what those opinions were, because they very well could be moments that are silly and are things he has done before with me, but if it’s any movement off the rear legs, i’m not interested in continuing my relation with him and will sell. furthermore, i asked her opinion on whether she thought he would shape up enough to be a good mount for an anxious ammy, based on her limited experience with him (asked in the same text) and no answer, so for now i wait.

my trainer thinks this is all great news. i’m just… just as frustrated as i have been

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I feel like this entire post could read as “give me a reason.”

My opinion - sell him. The whole post is trying to find out what the horse is doing wrong, and not focusing on what he’s doing well. That obsession, that fascination, lends itself to defensive handling and riding, which he will feel and will revert back to ill behavior with.

In short, I don’t think you will ever trust this horse again. There is no use continuing, and spending the money to do so.

You must sacrifice whatever it takes to get BRAINS on your next one.

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She’s had him 9 days and he’s at a new place, etc. Either chill out and give her time to figure him out or just sell him.

Personally I don’t think you will trust this horse again and should sell based on what you have shared here.

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OP, I can totally understand wanting answers and getting anxious about them. Maybe instead of texts, which can be easy to either ignore, or answer partially, ask when would be a good time to call and chat with the trainer. Have all your questions written down so you don’t forget any. And then try to be patient if the trainer doesn’t yet have enough of a read on your horse. Maybe if he/she is a fan, though, that can work to your benefit if you decide to sell. They may know a perfect buyer. Good luck!

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THIS.

OP - you’re wanting a smoking gun to sell. I think you should sell regardless - and your trainer isn’t seeing the forest for the trees here. I would not put a ton of value on their excitement - they helped you get two horses that have shaken your confidence and seem to underestimate your anxiety/fear. You’ve spelled this out and I really think they’re doing you a disservice. If we can READ your fear and distrust of this horse on an Internet forum, I imagine it’s much more clear IRL.

FWIW, a skilled trainer may not see getting light in front as worth reporting to you - he’s young and athletic and in a new place. They may be savvy enough to never let it get that far. They are probably getting the vibe that you’re freaked out by this horse and are going to tone down their communications a bit while they figure him out. It takes a LOT for trainers like this to say “he’s rank and will never be suitable for an amateur” right out the gate. They’re going to find things to be positive about and keep doing their job training him. 9 days is really not that long.

Exactly.

It’s OKAY OP, to sell a horse just because you want to ride and he’s not a fit for you as a rider. Someone else will love him and care for him and enjoy his quirks rather than be on constant alert trying to pick him apart. I say this kindly - what about HIM is it that you can’t find in another horse? What is it that is worth the fear and crying on the leadline, when you are riding other things happily?

You deserve to enjoy the horse you own, and this one is in the right situation to find a great match.

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OP, nearly any horse can rear when pushed too far. The “opinions” your horse is expressing is probably resistance/nappy behavior. An experienced rider/trainer can work through it without escalation, but in the wrong hands could turn into a rear or buck.

I’ve been watching Michael Peace on YouTube. He’s a UK horse fixer, known for helping problem horses. The biggest thing I see in his riding is that he keeps working on the problem, doesn’t let the horse get stuck and doesn’t escalate. Good stuff.

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How great can a canter be if you do not want to get on the horse and canter?

Of course trainer will tell you he will be great after more training, most will be better with 3- 6 months of Pro training but do you want to put out at least several thousand $$$$$ for that and likely never really trust the horse anyway?

If trainer likes that canter, let them buy him or handle the sale. Translating the “trainer speak” here it sounds like he is much greener then expected and trainer cannot answer your questions as positively as you were hoping and not get the horse sorted out as quickly as you, and your wallet, wanted.

IMO the more horses you have, the more likely you will end up with one you do not like at some point. If this is the first one you have had, your feelings are very understandable but there is no reason to dump money trying to fix one that has scared you and you do not really like. You are not a Pro, you do not HAVE to make yourself like and trust this horse and you do not HAVE to fix him yourself.

You are under no obligation to pay a Pro to make him more suitable for you and there is no guarantee you will ever trust him or even like him. Like a bad boyfriend, you do not have to stay with this horse and keep spending money trying to fix him. And you can stop with making excuses for him. He’s too green.

On another level, the horse will likely do better with somebody else who can channel his energy, develop his talent and ensure a bright future for him. You are not failing him by selling him on.

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Not sure of OP’s location, but we are going into mid-winter, which makes a quick sale harder. With a nice WB, I think a few month’s training will be a worthwhile investment, and then he can go on the market in the early spring, when he has a few more buttons and is a little more reliable.

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i just have always been so indecisive you guys. i’m scared i am going to sell him and regret it. i know there are other horses other there and i know i can find something else that is a good (and even better match) - but before this we really were doing ok, even with some green moments. as my trainer has said, “you can only sell him once” so i’m scared to sell him and then want him back …

on the other hand, everyone is right - there’s no point if it’s not fun and i’m constantly scared and on edge. i paid exponentially less for my ottb and she was very spicy but safe and i was never scared on her. im started to feel like im being taken advantage of for being a dumb, well to do ammy, and whether thats right or wrong its how i feel.

thanks everyone who has stuck with me this far through my back and forth. i just feel really really alone in this process

:cry:

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Since none of us are there, none of us can say this is true or not true.
I have no doubt there are posters here who will insist that your trainer is a snake and using you.
I only know what you have said, and to me, it sounds more like your trainer is trying to be positive and helpful. But again, I could be very wrong.

In the end, all that matters is that you are enjoying your horse time.

This horse scared you (rightfully so), to the point that you are not likely to forgive and forget.

I think, in this case, the best option is to sell this horse and find another horse that you like/trust/can enjoy.

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I’m afraid you’re going to keep him and regret it. I’m afraid you’re going to get him back from the trainers and he’ll be going well, and then the two of you will get into each other’s heads again and you’ll be back where you started, or worse like the ICU .

Every horse is not a good fit for every rider, and every rider certainly not a good fit for every horse. Sometimes we just have to take a good long look at the situation and realize and accept that fact and move the horse on. The right horse is out there for you somewhere.

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First of all: hugs. You are really trying to do right by this horse and it stinks when we get attached to an animal that isn’t working out for one reason or another. It’s supposed to be more fun than stressful!

Don’t ignore your gut instinct. Here or regarding the horse. I am struggling to understand your trainers’ take here. If you were having success but just worried about moving up a level or something that’s one thing. But you’re frightened to handle or sit on him… your trainers won’t even ride him. You’re not putting him down or dumping him at auction, you’re considering selling him and finding a better match.

Safe is best. Buy safe. Even if you have to sacrifice some scope or a hack prize or maintenance - you need something safe for the rider you are NOW.

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