Just because someone is jumping 3’ does not automatically mean that they are incapable of doing a nice rollback, or that it is unsafe. It’s certainly not something to be encouraged for most lower level riders/horses, but it’s shortsighted to imply that it’s across-the-board inappropriate.
Just to add…
The person coming into the ring was riding a VERY DRAFTY cross, and the rider agreed that their horse would have knocked down the next jump over to take a turn like that. And yes I probably exaggerated the turn a little, but it was a tight inside cut.
And I take it your supposed to wait till the jumps get to 5’ or more, and the horse really has to work on it to make time saving turns.
I was at another schooling show, was last to go, didn’t watch anyone else, came out of the ring with a 2 second lead on second place. Everyone had went around a jump on the course in the jump off, I cut inside of, then the other riders are going DANG, I didn’t even see that.
SO it wasn’t a hell bent for leather round
ADDED: I FORGOT YOU AREN’T SUPPOSED TO SHOW UP AND COMING YOUNG HORSES IN THE LOWER LEVELS IF IT HAS THE ABILITY TO BE IN THE HIGH STUFF LATER IN LIFE.EVEN FOR SHOW TRAINING. I STARTED SHOWING JUMPERS WHEN I WAS 10 AND WILL BE 43 THIS WEEKEND SO NOT NEW TO JUMPERS…
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This isn’t horse show related, but it does have to do with an idiotic lesson parent.
Parent of a 6 year old child who she obviously can’t keep control of. Child runs around the barn asking questions (as in, “why do horses have feet?”). [/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol: For some reason that “Why do horses have feet?” quote just made me crack up! I’m still laughing! Thanks!
“C” rated horse show, child was doing children’s hunter and had refused out. Rider was excused, but kept trying the fence, when she was again excused, trainer tells her “go up to the judge and make a sad face.” AND when she did, the judge spent 5 minutes talking to the student in the ring while everyone else was waiting to do their course. I still shake my head over that one.
Ah yes, years ago I had one that said “Suck down with your lower lips.” I just SO wish I was making this up! :lol:
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I got my first horse, an OTTB, a few weeks ago. My dad watches horse racing but is absolutely not horsey otherwise. Seriously, the only thing we watch on TV together is the Triple Crown and that’s every single year. And you know what, he can name winners and knows where the races are held. So I’d say for a non-horseperson he’s more knowledgeable than average (or so I’d thought). So I came home last night and he asks me how my boy’s doing. Here’s the conversation (roughly):
DAD: So how’s your horse?
ME: Fine.
DAD: He’s an Arabian, right? He looks like the Black Stallion. (aside: he’s a really reddish bay. Not even close to black.)
ME: Umm, no. He’s a racehorse. A Thoroughbred.
DAD: Aren’t Arabians Thoroughbreds?
I had to walk away at that point.[/QUOTE]
Haha! I used to get that when various friends would ask me what type of horse I had. It would go something like:
Them: What type of horse do you have?
Me: A Thoroughbred
Them:…ok, but like what Type?
Me: A Thoroughbred
Them: yeah yeah I get that, but what BREED?
Me: I’m not saying purebred. I’m saying Thoroughbred!
Just today I was asked…
co-worker: How many horses do you have?
me: 4 and a pony
co-worker: Wow that is so neat- do you race them?
What I wanted to reply with: Yeah the shetland- you’ll see her in the breeders cup in a few weeks.
But she’s a nice person so I just concluded with: no we don’t show, just trail ride.
At a dressage show, my sister and I were hanging by the warm-up rings watching the grand prix riders- warm-up. These 2 women were chatting next to us and I can’t even remember half the gems they had coming out but here’s a few tasty tidbits:
Look at that warmblood! Must be an Arab cross but has so much white on his legs- so definetly not a thoroughbred.
See that horse- oh definetly a Morgan. Even has an M on his behind! (She was pointing to the Hano with the Hano brand- it didn’t look like an M to me???)
As to the sex remarks- I can see how it happens. I have heard “think of the saddle as part of your underwear.” Somehow it makes me think I don’t want to borrow or lend out my tack…
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Trainer responds with, “Yes, he has navicular, but he still has to earn his keep”.
My response was, “Dude, you just told me this horse had already won you a lot of money. Has he not already earned his retirement without having to continue to jump whilst almost crippled? Besides, I’m not paying to ride a crippled horse.” I hopped off, tossed him the reins and walked out.[/QUOTE]
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Good for you, but you should have taken the horse too.
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Haha! I used to get that when various friends would ask me what type of horse I had. It would go something like:
Them: What type of horse do you have?
Me: A Thoroughbred
Them:…ok, but like what Type?
Me: A Thoroughbred
Them: yeah yeah I get that, but what BREED?
Me: I’m not saying purebred. I’m saying Thoroughbred![/QUOTE]
I like telling people I have a Quarter Horse. Inevitably I get, “What’s the rest of him?”
takes the cake…
waiting at the in-gate for my course-walk to start & there’s an ammie there with her toddler daughter, who is cranky (it was afternoon, so probably beyond naptime). so mom-ammie is clearly trying to do several things at once, including calm the child down and memorize her course, when she finally says:
“i can’t beat you and get ready for my class at the same time”
and turns back on child (which i guess is better than actually beating her).
I tell my kids all the time when they don’t behave…
“you’ll compost fast in the manue pile”
or
“I can hide a body in the riding ring- the sand is easy to dig in”
I suppose that means they’ll be in therapy???
My favorite things to tell my children were:
A) I’m going to sell you to the gypsies
B) I’m going to beat you black and blue
Now that they are bigger I just tell them I’m going to beat them with a stick!
Guess mine will be right there on the couch with yours SuperSTB!
Oh geeze… I got told I was getting sold to the gypsies many, many, many times!
I was 14 and took my by that point push button mare to a local show for one more fun day before putting her on the market and getting my move-up horse. She was a snotty quarter horse, but that animal taught me to RIDE.
Anyway, I entered the training jumper division. I was one of 4. My mare stopped at the last fence. It was a liverpool…with no water in it, and the make shift tarp had moved in the breeze and was all over the place. It looked terrifying. So I circle around, make her jump it, and then just pet her and laugh. Not a big deal, it only cost me $6 to enter the class… and I was truly only there to have fun with her. I was the first to go, then the other 3 go. All having at least 2 refusals. I was placed 4th out of 4. My trainer walked up to the “judge” to ask what exactly she was scoring since I had 1 stop and the girl that one had 3. And the “judge” said:
“well this is a training class, and clearly the other girls had a lot more training to do. Your rider hardly had to do anything, and the horse only stopped once.”
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Just because someone is jumping 3’ does not automatically mean that they are incapable of doing a nice rollback, or that it is unsafe. It’s certainly not something to be encouraged for most lower level riders/horses, but it’s shortsighted to imply that it’s across-the-board inappropriate."
It was more pointed at the moxy of the poster considering I have heard the comment used more for the negative fashion at back gates with students.
“and do not even think about making that turn” and the comment “wow I want you to take the turn just like that” used for positive rounds before a student goes in! 
For me all 3 foot and below jumpers should be argentine or optimum time. That height is just scary when you see people going crazy racing over 2’6 to 3 foot as a lot of riders at that level do not always have a ton of experience.
Okay, I thought of one. There’s a woman who keeps two horses at the barn where I am part time manager. The other day it was windy and this woman, who fancies herself a know it all about horses, says “oh the horses like the wind because it’s natural to them.” What a moron. Umm, I think wind is natural to most living creatures on earth. She also said about a hard to load horse “He doesn’t want to leave home because he likes it here so much.” Where do these people come from and why do they let such inane things out of their mouths? Somewhere a village is missing its idiot.
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For me all 3 foot and below jumpers should be argentine or optimum time. That height is just scary when you see people going crazy racing over 2’6 to 3 foot as a lot of riders at that level do not always have a ton of experience.[/QUOTE]
So riders capable of competently riding a course set that low with some speed and tight turns should dumb themselves down, and not do what they are capable of, just because other riders are not very experienced?
Or they should wait until they are jumping five-foot to start doing rollbacks at a show? I dunno, I see some value to doing rollbacks, etc at a show before moving up, in order to gain more experience.
You know, some horses just don’t have the ability to do higher than 3’… but their riders/owners love their horses so much that they stick at 3’, even when they could advance.
Back to windy day. One of the boarders at my barn said her horses were afraid of the wind because they were Arabians and Arabians are desert bred so they didn’t know about wind. Never mind that her horses were 10 generations from desert bred and the last I heard, the desert had lots of wind.
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“well this is a training class, and clearly the other girls had a lot more training to do. Your rider hardly had to do anything, and the horse only stopped once.”[/QUOTE]
hahahaha! Wow, I would win lots with that logic!
At a small show I was judging, a young lady would have about 6 nice fences and then the horse would have 3 stops, so would be whistled out. This happened in several classes. At the lunch break, because it was a small, schooling show, I went over to offer some encouragement along the lines of, you have a nice horse, it’s coming along, don’t give up sort of thing. Weeelllll. The mother whips around and says “I sure wish you would tell that stupid judge that. She keeps kicking my kid out of the ring.” Ummm, k, that would be me, and btw, those are called rules, ma’am. 
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Or they should wait until they are jumping five-foot to start doing rollbacks at a show? I dunno, I see some value to doing rollbacks, etc at a show before moving up, in order to gain more experience.
You know, some horses just don’t have the ability to do higher than 3’… but their riders/owners love their horses so much that they stick at 3’, even when they could advance."
I am fine with roll backs and I think you know that I am not talking about controlled roll backs. I am talking about the rooting parents and trainers on the rail at the speed bump jumpers (.70 thought .90) going for broke and out of control. WHY because many of those horses have come down the ranks and are still willing does not mean they should be run off their legs. AT the season closer the champion of one such division was SCARY and did not have the skills to be doing what she was doing and be encouraged by her coach, the horse used to do the high AO’s and is now being run like a dog and looks like bambi on ice being dragged around turns by a uneducated rider who was rewarded. IT’S SICK but wahoooo I am circuit champion of the .85’s 
The cherry on the cake all was several trainers and parents where opened mouthed at that dangerous riding and as the championship was announced the parents and trainers were telling the kid it was sour grapes from people… My point is and also was for the original poster it is easy to put on your rose colored glasses and “ASSUME” that people are in envy of your ride when quite possibly we are thinking WTH, OMG etc!
The original poster talked of a roll back and one stride to a fence, VERY VERY few speed bump jumper riders have that skill to ride what she described.
QUITE a leap you make from 3 foot to 5 foot by the way, I said nothing about waiting until you jumped 5 feet but want to learn how to ride a roll back, do it like many of us did and spend some time in the medals where you need control and guts. I understand the economics of having them and appreciate the speed bump jumper classes as they are a great learning venue for green horses and green riders on made horses but miss the days when jumpers started at 3’3-3’6. Lastly I do not BUY for one second the whole " well the horse can not jump bigger than 3 foot so well" what you let some kid or adult careen around on some poor horse pretending to be Richard Spooner? NOT OK! I did a happy dance when A FEW speed bump jumpers CLASSES went to clear round ribbons and no championship as it reduced the zeal from parents, riders and trainers! SO because trainer and riders could not calm down management had to to, that should tell you something!!! Safety people, it’s not just for breakfast
