Tori is champion at talent search finals

[SnicklefritzG]

As far as Tori riding doped horses is concerned, here are some scenarios:

1. Tori had absolutely no idea what was going on (ie doping)
2. Tori never actually saw or heard anything going on, but could have surmised what may have been going on being the scenes from staying abreast of equestrian “news”. Sort of like “don’t ask, don’t tell”.
3. Tori knew what was going on and agreed with it
4. Tori knew what was going on, but realized she had to go along with it if she wanted the rides.

I think #1 is unlikely given the press that suspended people get. I also would find it hard to believe Tori would be that naive. As good as she is with horses, I would find #3 possible, but not probable. I think #2 and #4 are more likely.

QUOTE=akor;8347703]I’m not at all impressed that Tory Colvin got to where she is riding drugged horses. but, I’m not at all impressed with what passes as hunter “equitation” these days either. Just deal with it = your sport is 100% based on drugging horses and having skinny riders with their ass in the air to be successful. To be competitive, you have to do what they do, and look like they do. It’s become a fashion sport more than anything, like it or not, that is what it is. Fads come and go, whoever gets the leg up on the next fad will do just as well. Your sport is NOT about riding, it’s about the latest fad and who gets ahead of it first and who avoids the downside of it first. Hats off to Tory for getting ahead of the drugging trend, she got to take full advantage of it before it became 'questionable." I’m a capitalist at heart, and while I don’t necessarily like it, she nailed it. Learn to ride on horses drugged up to the hilt and then make that the norm. Winning!!![/QUOTE]

[Soaponarope]

[QUOTE=chicagojumper;8347724]
Oh, goodie. The Tuesday night entertainment has arrived.[/QUOTE]

Is that blood moon still rising?

[Peggy]

[QUOTE=nutmeg;8347082]
Who is dishing out injectable GABA to begin with? Do they get it from a veterinarian or an online pharmacy? I doubt Brigid has gone all Breaking Bad in her tackroom. If I was king the injectable mag and GABA would be classified as a Class IV substance as far as veterinarians go so that every sale of it would be accounted for. Whack it at the source.[/QUOTE]The visual of any trainer (or PR) going all Breaking Bad in their tack room has me LOL. Maybe it’s because my students were constantly asking me about the show when it was on.

[Peggy]

[QUOTE=nutmeg;8347082]
Who is dishing out injectable GABA to begin with? Do they get it from a veterinarian or an online pharmacy? I doubt Brigid has gone all Breaking Bad in her tackroom. If I was king the injectable mag and GABA would be classified as a Class IV substance as far as veterinarians go so that every sale of it would be accounted for. Whack it at the source.[/QUOTE]
(reposting because I deleted one of what appeared to be double posts and now they are both gone–blame the blood moon or too much ether inhalation in the lab I just finished teaching)

Anyhow, the vision of any trainer or PR going Breaking Bad in their tack room has me kind of LOL. Maybe because my students asked me endless questions about the series when it was airing.

LOL aside, one could hire a chemist to go all Breaking Bad for you. They might even have a lab so they wouldn’t have to use the tackroom. And they might be able to measure GABA levels so you wouldn’t have to go the empirical route.

[Moderator_1]

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[ynl063w]

@SnicklefritzG;8347727

As far as Tori riding doped horses is concerned, here are some scenarios:

1. Tori had absolutely no idea what was going on (ie doping)
2. Tori never actually saw or heard anything going on, but could have surmised what may have been going on being the scenes from staying abreast of equestrian “news”. Sort of like “don’t ask, don’t tell”.
3. Tori knew what was going on and agreed with it
4. Tori knew what was going on, but realized she had to go along with it if she wanted the rides.

I think #1 is unlikely given the press that suspended people get. I also would find it hard to believe Tori would be that naive. As good as she is with horses, I would find #3 possible, but not probable. I think #2 and #4 are more likely.

I guess I just don’t understand the obsessive need that some here feel to guess what might be going on with people you (the general “you”) don’t even know, and then decide which option is most probably true based on…absolutely nothing but your (again, general “your”) best guess (or even worse - the one you really want to be true because it’s more fun than paying attention to actual facts).

[SnicklefritzG]

You must not ever read the news, watch documentaries, follow politics, etc. because this kind of discussion and debate happens all the time with subjects. I think you are unhappy with a lot of what is being said because you disagree with it. That’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else, but this kind of discussion is totally commonplace. It shouldn’t be surprising.

[QUOTE=ynl063w;8347768]
I guess I just don’t understand the obsessive need that some here feel to guess what might be going on with people you (the general “you”) don’t even know, and then decide which option is most probably true based on…absolutely nothing but your (again, general “your”) best guess (or even worse - the one you really want to be true because it’s more fun than paying attention to actual facts).[/QUOTE]

[IPEsq]

[QUOTE=ynl063w;8347768]
I guess I just don’t understand the obsessive need that some here feel to guess what might be going on with people you (the general “you”) don’t even know, and then decide which option is most probably true based on…absolutely nothing but your (again, general “your”) best guess (or even worse - the one you really want to be true because it’s more fun than paying attention to actual facts).[/QUOTE]

This is the entire reason behind the infotainment industry.

[Soaponarope]

[QUOTE=ynl063w;8347768]
I guess I just don’t understand the obsessive need that some here feel to guess what might be going on with people you (the general “you”) don’t even know, and then decide which option is most probably true based on…absolutely nothing but your (again, general “your”) best guess (or even worse - the one you really want to be true because it’s more fun than paying attention to actual facts).[/QUOTE]

A need to know what actually happened in a high-profile case involving the top team in our sport? Does that really have to be explained?

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=Soaponarope;8347786]
A need to know what actually happened in a high-profile case involving the top team in our sport? Does that really have to be explained?[/QUOTE]

+1

[ynl063w]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8347777]
You must not ever read the news, watch documentaries, follow politics, etc. because this kind of discussion and debate happens all the time with subjects.[/QUOTE]

Oh I see. Since everyone does it, it absolutely HAS to mean that it makes sense to do so. And yes, let’s use politics as the beacon of truth with regards to what is happening in the world today.

@Soaponarope;8347786

A need to know what actually happened in a high-profile case involving the top team in our sport? Does that really have to be explained?

Conjecture based on ignorance =/= what is actually happening.

[SnicklefritzG]

You are reading a lot more into this than people are saying.

No one said politics are any particular thing other than a major topic of discussion, hence the fact that debates on hot topics in the horse world shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

I think you are just in disagreement with a lot of what people are posting, which is fine (you are entitled to your opinion), but I think you are grasping at straws trying to detract from the topic.

[QUOTE=ynl063w;8347802]
Oh I see. Since everyone does it, it absolutely HAS to mean that it makes sense to do so. And yes, let’s use politics as the beacon of truth with regards to what is happening in the world today.

Conjecture based on ignorance =/= what is actually happening.[/QUOTE]

[ynl063w]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8347777]
but I think you are grasping at straws trying to detract from the topic.[/QUOTE]

Wait. Did you really just accuse ME of grasping at straws? I have never laughed out loud more than I am doing right this very minute. Are you NOT the one who just came up with four completely made up by you scenarios about Tori Colvin, and then GUESSED at which ones are most likely true based on nothing but your favorite options?

[Soaponarope]

[QUOTE=ynl063w;8347802]
Oh I see. Since everyone does it, it absolutely HAS to mean that it makes sense to do so. And yes, let’s use politics as the beacon of truth with regards to what is happening in the world today.

Conjecture based on ignorance =/= what is actually happening.[/QUOTE]

No offense, but I feel as if I’m stating something so obvious a child would understand. You ask why people are debating this topic.

If I may, the fame that A circuit riders have enjoyed in the reality show Horse Power, televised national and international championships with major sponsors like ASPCA, social media, USEF Network, and the internet also comes with a responsibility to the public. It’s called accountability. It’s not free. There are a zillion kids out there like OP who feel as if they know the people in question.

They feel that way because show people invited an audience to their previously insular, tiny world. This was an invitation sent by people at the highest level of the horse world. So now they don’t want any attention? no conjecture? That’s fundamentally illogical.

I’m sure there is a spectrum of expertise on the forum. But if you think we’re ignorant, I think you’re underestimating what real ignorance is. There are people who no far less about hj than us out there: PETA, animal rights activists, etc. How long do you think it will be before one of them reads those descriptions of the pasting and the prepping of show horses? And then we’re all subject to the interference of people who don’t even think horses should be ridden never mind shown.

Ugh. This scandal could effect all of us who show in rated shows at the very least. I can’t imagine we wouldn’t be talking about it. Moreover, trying to silence people may raise more conjecture than just allowing the discussion to take place.

[skydy]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8347777]
You must not ever read the news, watch documentaries, follow politics, etc. because this kind of discussion and debate happens all the time with subjects. I think you are unhappy with a lot of what is being said because you disagree with it. That’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else, but this kind of discussion is totally commonplace. It shouldn’t be surprising.[/QUOTE]

Just because rampant speculation is “commonplace” doesn’t mean that it is worthwhile.

ynl063w doesn’t understand why people indulge in the practice nor does she have to like it ( I understand the objection and agree).

It isn’t necessarily that someone has a different “opinion” than you do, it is that they disagree with the speculation that is really out of the purview of anyone who is not immediately involved in this situation.

I have an opinion, but is based only upon the knowledge that I have about the matter at hand (not much).

I think perhaps what ynl063w is saying is that, while we can all have opinions, it is unproductive (see the media references you mention :)) to go WAY out there with the speculation.

At some point in time, the conversation becomes so hypothetical that it is at best pointless, and at worst hurtful.

[skydy]

[QUOTE=Soaponarope;8347849]
No offense, but I feel as if I’m stating something so obvious a child would understand. You ask why people are debating this topic.

If I may, the fame that A circuit riders have enjoyed in the reality show Horse Power, televised national and international championships with major sponsors like ASPCA, social media, USEF Network, and the internet also comes with a responsibility to the public. It’s called accountability. It’s not free. There are a zillion kids out there like OP who feel as if they know the people in question.

They feel that way because show people invited an audience to their previously insular, tiny world. This was an invitation sent by people at the highest level of the horse world. So now they don’t want any attention? no conjecture? That’s fundamentally illogical.

I’m sure there is a spectrum of expertise on the forum. But if you think we’re ignorant, I think you’re underestimating what real ignorance is. There are people who no far less about hj than us out there: PETA, animal rights activists, etc. How long do you think it will be before one of them reads those descriptions of the pasting and the prepping of show horses? And then we’re all subject to the interference of people who don’t even think horses should be ridden never mind shown.

Ugh. This scandal could effect all of us who show in rated shows at the very least. I can’t imagine we wouldn’t be talking about it. Moreover, trying to silence people may raise more conjecture than just allowing the discussion to take place.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t see that anyone disagreed with discussing the topic.

Just some wanting to keep the discussion related to what is known about the subject and not going off the deep end with speculation.

[Soaponarope]

Well, my response was shaped in response to this: “I guess I just don’t understand the obsessive need that some here feel to guess what might be going on with people you (the general “you”) don’t even know.” And of course there were some less polite comments made by others tonight that seem to indicate a disconnect between being a public figure and being accountable to the public. Good night all; it’s been an interesting Tuesday evening!

[ynl063w]

[QUOTE=Soaponarope;8347849]
No offense, but I feel as if I’m stating something so obvious a child would understand. You ask why people are debating this topic. [/QUOTE]

I’m not at all asking WHY people are debating this subject. I’m sorry that you seem so incapable of understanding anything in an adult way that you can’t follow my posts. Your response makes me appreciate those here on the forums who ARE capable of thinking like adults and who possess the reading comprehension skills that allow them to be capable of responding in ways that make sense, even if they have opinions that differ from other intelligent adults. If you are one of those adults, I apologize, because I just can’t tell that from your post, and I hope you will post something further that will prove me wrong and indicate that you are one of those people.

I am questioning the WAY in which most here are questioning the issue. There are a few here who do understand how adult conversations work, but unfortunately they are very few and very far between.

It is very easy for someone to come here and post about their years and years and years of experience at the top of the sport for decades upon decades, and use that experience as a means to spew their knowledge about all the nefarious activity that has been going on for all those decades in every top barn in all that time and they SWEAR THEY SAW THAT IT TOTALLY HAPPENED ALL THE TIME I WAS THERE!!111!!!

But it’s funny to me that at the same time, every one of them swears that their horses TOTALLY WEREN’T DRUGGED EVER BECAUSE I WAS THE BEST HORSE OWNER EVER AND THERE IS NO WAY ANY OF THAT EVER EVER EVER HAPPENED TO MYYYYYYY HORSE NO WAY!!111!!!1! So HOW COULD ANYONE EVER EVER EVER LET THIS HAPPEN TO THEIR HORSES, SINCE I WAS TOTALLY ABLE TO MAKE SURE MY HORSE WAS SAFE 30 YEARS AGO, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I WAS HANGING OUT FOR DECADES WITH THESE AWFUL PEOPLE WHO ABUSED THE HELL OUT OF THEIR HORSES THE WHOLE TIME???

People who don’t condone unethical, immoral, or wrong behavior just don’t spend any time, let alone decades, with those who do. I don’t know about any of you, but if I find myself in the company of people who are acting in a way that I feel is unethical, immoral, or just plain wrong, I remove myself from their company and I don’t go back. The thought of hanging around any group of people like that for decades is unimaginable to me. And I have to believe that those who DO choose to spend decades surrounded by people like that are a huge part of the problem themselves. They are purposefully inserting themselves into the problem, and they are knowingly staying there.

[Midge]

[QUOTE=Soaponarope;8347849]

Ugh. This scandal could effect all of us who show in rated shows at the very least. I can’t imagine we wouldn’t be talking about it. Moreover, trying to silence people may raise more conjecture than just allowing the discussion to take place.[/QUOTE]

Oh good lord. You say this like it’s the first time someone high profile has been caught doing less by their horses. In what way do you think this will affect us more than any other drug infraction?

And we HAVE been talking about it. Over and over again in what, is this the third or fourth thread about it?

[ybiaw]

[QUOTE=lauriep;8347007]
Her talent is so much greater than her wins. She is, or will be, as good as Rodney, and he’s the best we have ever had. If you have never seen her get on horse after horse, and they all so willingly do what she asks, you cannot understand. She is more than just a good junior rider.[/QUOTE]

I know. That’s what I said.