Toxic relationship with family/dealing

The advice and kindness expressed by others already can’t be beat, so I won’t try. What I will say, is that cutting-off contact with toxic family members isn’t as bad as you might think. I wasn’t abused per se, but had a very narcissistic father. Two years ago, he took offense to something my brother and I had expressed (as we were becoming concerned, or at least starting to think about, his mental wellbeing which we suspected was declining) so he sent a letter, via his lawyer, essentially as an “Eff you, you have no right to tell me what to do”. We’ve not heard from him since. My brother actually called him about a year later when in a personal crisis and, instead of being met with sympathy or concern, was cut-off and simply told to never call again.

Can I just say, it’s been wonderful not having to dread his phone calls and visits that revolve entirely around himself! I realize it’s a little easier when someone else does the cutting-off, but seeing what’s on the other side of this no-contact thing … well, I wished I’d given him some cold hard truths and cut him off years ago.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Also, I feel the need to say this … I’ve read a few times the word “normal”. Please get rid of that word from your vocabulary! There is no “normal”. I like to use the word “typical” while also acknowledging that we all exist on a spectrum and are atypical in some respect or another.

From the outside looking in, my family would have looked pretty typical. My brother, mother, and I can all attest to the fact that we did NOT have a typical family life where we did typical family things, talked about our feelings, supported one another, and showed affection. Please don’t assume that everyone else (and/or their family) has got their crap together and you don’t, because that’s would be categorically untrue :two_hearts:

14 Likes

I am going to listen to my dog as someone so eloquently and gently suggested.

Yes!!!

4 Likes

OP, I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. You are not a toxic person. They have made you the scapegoat.

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned yet that you may find helpful is Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional Families. It is a 12-step program and, paired with therapy, has made a huge impact on my life as I unravel my own childhood trauma. www.adultchildren.org

Other folks have said pretty much all that I would have said. I wish you the best. It is not an easy road, but you have so much inner strength. Do not doubt that.

6 Likes

I love the kindness, wisdom and depth of listening and consideration that this thread has brought to the surface. These words have surely not just helped the OP, but others of us as well.

6 Likes

What did you say to cause a universal reaction? Re-read your original post. Your father was verbally and physically abusive. Your family enabled it. They are still blaming you for it. And you are still making excuses for it.

Plenty of people are abused, yet don’t become abusive themselves. They all trained you to be the victim, which you admit. Your mental health depends on being separate from your family. So does mine, to an extent.

You aren’t to blame for their being f’'d up.

You need to be separated from them.

They can never give you the healthy relationship you need and deserve. So you need to kick them to the curb. Listen to your dog.

13 Likes

It is time to change your phone number, block them from your email (if it’s not convenient to change it too), change your locks if they have a key or know where you hide your emergency key, and put their shit behind you permanently. I wish I had ‘divorced’ my family far, far sooner than I did. I wish I had had better support from my friends who knew my issues when I asked what to do when I found out one of my parents was dying. I should not have ever let the other one back into my life, but I am a helper so I helped that parent through the whole death thing and then stupidly allowed myself to become more involved.

So, my advice - walk away permanently and completely and listen to your own head (not the ridiculously guilt-filled or helper head, but the one who KNOWS the truth) and act accordingly.

You will not change them no matter how hard you try. Maybe you could make a tiny change for the better with way too much effort, but even that won’t last.

Changing you doesn’t sound like a necessary option except for the part where you get help to figure out how to deal with your feelings. Do NOT apologize. You did not beat yourself. A grown-ass adult beat you repeatedly. Walk away.

And the 2 sides to every story thing? That doesn’t effing matter. You have YOUR story. Read that one because that is the important one for you to understand what you need to do to allow yourself to live YOUR best life. Whatever your mother’s and sister’s views are on the whole thing doesn’t really matter. You were abused. No-one who supposedly loved you tried to stop it. The end. They don’t deserve your unconditional love.They don’t deserve to continue effing up your life even for short periods of time. Brush yourself off, carry on with the life you’ve built for yourself, and have an occasional indulgent cry that you didn’t get the family that you had hoped for, and then remind yourself that you DID get out in time to leave all that behind you.

Many hugs and wishes for strength and peace ~~~~~~~~~~

16 Likes

As someone who has experienced basically the exact same thing as you, ditch them. They don’t care about you (not to be too harsh). People who care about you do not abuse you, it is not your fault and you didn’t MAKE them treat you that way. They are mean people who like to be mean to others.

Go no contact with them and if they come around, call the police. Trust me your mental health will improve without their little whispers in your head that “you are a bad person” because you are not a bad person!

10 Likes

I’m not kidding when I tell people that I would have been better off being raised by wolves. Or the Manson family. I should have run away when I was a teen and gone to SF. Even being homeless and maybe raised by hippies would have been better.

It’s been a long haul and I still have difficulty telling myself that I am good enough, smart enough and just enough when for so long I was told I was worthless and that no-one wanted me and i was going to die alone. (Mommy Dearest started telling me that when I was 4.)

Maybe someday I will forgive them but that day is not today. Or tomorrow or any other day in the near future. I will get there but I have to work thru the anger first. Which I suspect is true of a lot of us.

10 Likes

WTAF is wrong with some people? I’m so sorry, @shiloh and everyone else who has shared awful stories here.

7 Likes

You need therapy. You need to let your family go and find people who will love and appreciate you for who you are and stop seeing your worth through your family eyes.

You can choose your friends but not your family. They are never going to be any different than they are now. You can change you but you will never change how they treat you.

Pastors or a local Church , or Non Profit group can most likely help you find counseling. Without it you will never be able to move on and be free from their abuse.

7 Likes

You can choose your family. No, not your biological one but the people you want to share your life with both good and bad. And that doesn’t have to be the people whose genes you share.

13 Likes

My toxic mother said a lot of mean things like that…especially about money. I remember her laughing at me when i graduated college and had a mantra that i would make 60k that year. Glad i make double that now! Funny she got up and stormed out of a college admissions meeting because it was too much money and rich people went there.
Anyways, she really effed my head about money.

Also, the narcissistic yelling and screaming, it took me half my life to realize you can have a conversation without being defensive.

You really can have whatever you want in life. The confidence to know you can have it and you deserve it (that tripped brain because she would take away food a lot) and i felt undeserving.

The most challenging thing for me to get over was the idea of support.

I dont need family support. My checks are written by my cliemts.

6 Likes

The is a nice concept in Anthropology of “fictive kinship” when people make their own family from within their social group, not tethered by blood ties. I have two extra mothers, nice now my real one is passed, and two extra sisters. This is on top of all my other friends who haven’t quite stepped over an invisible boundary between friend, really good friend and honorary sister. Just thinking, I don’t have a fictive father or bother. Hmmm.

5 Likes

YES! the first time I realized this was a revelation. Or one where I wasn’t being gaslighted or having revisionist history shoved down my throat. What a novelty.

6 Likes

Or that a male can work with tools without yelling, screaming, swearing and throwing things = my mind blown.

2 Likes

OMG, yes. Indeed that a man can actually plan out and finish a handicraft job calmly and correctly.

2 Likes

They can finish one?

11 Likes

This is what I’ve been told.

4 Likes

This was my experience also. My DH is everything my father was not: patient, affirming, and strong (which is the opposite of bullying). It took me a while to trust that he would not turn into someone like my father, but we’ve been married for 26 years, and he’s the real deal.

9 Likes

LOL 21 Years for us. The real deal and yes he does finish projects.

1 Like