Urgent: Transworld mares and youngstock

[Texarkana]

[QUOTE=DeeThbd;8435335]
Thank you so much for being there, and for the update.
If they are JC papers, you don’t need a signed transfer on the papers the way you do with other breeds…your bill of sale ought to be enough unless I am mistaken
Thank you, again.
D.[/QUOTE]

This is my experience as well. If you have a bill of sale and update the ownership info through the online interactive registry (which is free), you are good to go. What’s one the back of the papers is less important than a bill of sale. And what’s in the computer only truly matters when it comes time to mail out breeding certificates if the animal is ever bred. Papers stay with the horse, so it’s not like anyone ever sees them.

The Jockey Club couldn’t care less about ownership and transfers-- no one is going to give you a hassle on that end. They are Switzerland when it comes to ownership issues.

[SusanO]

Maybe these horses can be the 2016 COTH Christmas ponies!

[pony_grandma]

The signed paperwork has more to do with the State of Colorado’s Ag Brand Inspection Division.

I haven’t heard anything further today since this morning. Epona was heading out to fetch the scrawny mare she bought and was talking about trying to pick up some of the foals (they sold the only 2 registerable foals to the vet research, not the unregisterable ones, go figure) …and there was so much underhandedness through out the entire sale. Refusing to even try to assign proper papers to horses, I won’t post the speculation until the deals are done. There was some cohooting going on. They ran the horses through the sale in seconds to prevent the bidding. Epona thought she had purchased 2 of the other horse’s 3 total, and then only ended up with one.

The mares were traumatized, the foals were exhausted and getting sick. It takes a strong committed person to have to witness the callousness.

[Simkie]

For anyone who is considering a youngster here:

The stallion Whotoldyouthat is incredibly kind and sweet. By all accounts, this horse had some training as a 2yo and has not been handled since. He’s been running on acreage with mares for 8 years.

Right now he’s settled into a stall with zero antics, begging for treats and nickering at the people he knows when they walk into the barn.

[tucktaway]

[QUOTE=Simkie;8436061]
For anyone who is considering a youngster here:

The stallion Whotoldyouthat is incredibly kind and sweet. By all accounts, this horse had some training as a 2yo and has not been handled since. He’s been running on acreage with mares for 8 years.

Right now he’s settled into a stall with zero antics, begging for treats and nickering at the people he knows when they walk into the barn.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for saving him!!

[Nootka]

Can someone PM me the dribble info?

[Miichelle]

^Me too!^

[pony_grandma]

PM EponaCL and she can update you. She’s really tired from the past several days. The mare she did buy is horribly underweight just had a late foal pulled from her side and is of course, pasture bred pregnant again.

She went back yesterday to pick up the mare and to try to buy what she could from the kill buyer. As of yet I have no idea what she’s been able to accomplish. And she is 70+ so she’s had some long crazy days.

Given that these horse had no vaccinations, probably non-existent vet and farrier care, and were horrifically stressed by being pulled out of their long life field environment rough loaded, and treated, and then thrown into the auctions pens for several days before the sale and had their foals stripped from them there, the state that they are in is traumatic right now.

Thank you to all that at the least can help her get the health care that they need to be stabilized and become useful citizens. The winter’s are rough out there in CO so she’s got a lot to care for right now.

[FatDinah]

EponaCL is working hard to locate the ones who went to the kill buyer (I have had a PM from her). She promises to post an update when she has news and time.
In the meantime, can anyone set up some sort of fundraising portal? I am not tech savvy.

[Simkie]

Epona just needs to post the email addy she uses for paypal and people can donate.

[EponaCL]

Here is the update, Thanks for all the support and kind words. Good news is that the with owner called me today and was most cordial and I asked her if Spin to Win was for sale. She said she was and what was I offering. I told her a sum that was slightly more than the highest auction price and she accepted it. She said her husband had the flu and could I come next week with my stock trailer and per her up. I said I would and it was a very cordial agreement. God willing and the creek don’t rise i think that one is OK. That said we have a big storm moving in tonight.
now the bad news is that before she called I had avery long conversation with the shipper who had hauled the horses to the sale and was very sympathetic with our situation and had agreed to go get the mare for me if he could. But the kicker was that the first two horse in the ring right before ours were two bay two year old tbs from the Alexander Farm that were part of the same consignment. No one knew except the shipper who wasn’t there and the auction house. They are absolute beautiful, a filly and a colt that looked like twins, absolutely lovely heads and very correct legs. They were run into the ring with no descriptions as to number sex age or consignor so I didn’t bid and neither did anyone else in our group because were saving our funds for the others. They went for chicken feed. If they are in the kill buyers lot, they will only be sold through an organization of Facebook called Miracle Feedlot Rescue. They will cost much more than the auction price and it will all go to the kiler buyer and we will have to figure out a way to quarantine them. I really don’t need any actual money right now and my paypal account is my only email account. I might ask paypal to set up another one just for this or open a bank account but that is premature until I have something to buy. Anyone that learns anything about this should let me know right away. We h ad a rumor yesterday that they were being sent to the Brush Auction to be sold last night and we were going to buy them over the phone but that didn’t happen and they never were there. So I don’t know where they are. I found out private people can’t just go to the Kill buyers lot. It has to be done through the feedlot rescue people by appointment. And that is mostly on the weekends because the women who help with it are volunteers with other jobs. I honestly don’t know exactly how it works but they find homes for a lot of horses. Thanks for all the support. I know the mare I have is going to need her teeth floated which out here is about 150$, blanket 90$, set of shots $80, vet visit probably about $150. I think she is pregnant but the vet can tell me. She will be at the trainers for a week or two because that is acting as a quarantine from my place and also gets her to where she can be caught and led around and loaded into a trailer with out drama. She is a lot better after one day of being brushed and having her tail brushed out and being fed treats and oats. that stuff happens in the bucking chute because you still can’t just walk up and catch her. She is very gentle but also still scared a little . I am not very good at the tech stuff but you all deserve some photos. She is in a small pen by herself but next to the old bucking bulls they use for their bull riding school and the other horses are a few pens over so she can see them but not touch them. She seems relatively content. She was the only really skinny one in the group, shaggy but not really heavy coat and lots of bite marks so she was obviously at the bottom of the pecking order. I assume this is the first real opportunity she has had to sleep and rest for a very long time. They were in with two stallions and foals from the last two years out in a large pasture. I assume the grass was reasonable good because none of the others were close to this thin. I was also told by the shipper that they were on sudak so that has a high sugar content but would be a little hard to chew for a mare like her, and can have a fairly high or even lethal nitrate content so that may account for the rough coat although I would wager the parasite count is sky high. I can’t thank you forum members enough for all your offers of support both financial and emotional. It really helps to know that people care and gives me energy to keep trucking. Thank you. EponaCL PS
sorry about the no paragraphs but I am too tired to edit.

[EponaCL]

What does dribble information mean???

[Mara]

[QUOTE=EponaCL;8437449]
What does dribble information mean???[/QUOTE]

Dribble…means we are willing to send money to help towards purchase and shipping.

[vineyridge]

We just need some address/method to get money to you. It’s called “dribble” because that’s all some of us can afford right now.

[JJ_sLuckyTrain]

Thank you for all your efforts for this mare, and the others. For those of us who are across the country and can’t help in person, we are all grateful for what you have done.

I will be sending some money, a small amount but I hope it will be multiplied by others who care.

[SusanO]

Shipper probably meant sudan grass. It is a coarse broadleaf grass similar to Johnson Grass. I think it is mainly used for sileage and haylege for cattle. It might also be used for cattle grazing. It can have high levels of nitrates and can be toxic if it freezes.

Isn’t it pretty arid in Colorado? If the horses were out on a large enough acreage they may not have a terrible parasite problem. That is until they moved to the feedlot. I am sure that wasn’t a good environment.

Poor thing. I know she is happy to get some food and TLC.

[Simkie]

Having seen the hay, it looks more like sorghum to me…

Regardless, they did not have awesome nutrition, or any veterinary care.

Thank you for what you are doing, Epona.

[MoniqueS]

EponaCL,
I purchased Nightmare Doll and #19. I would be interested in #18, 16, and/or 62 the bay with star and socks. Have you been able to get more info on how we can get these horses from the feedlot?
Thanks!
Monique

[EponaCL]

Sudak is a hybrid between sorghum and sudan grass. Grows very tall and looks like skinny corn and about the same height as corn. If plenty of water very huge amount of forage, but like alfalfa in the spring it can contain a lethal for horses amount of nitrates under some growing conditions such as very slow and then very fast growth. i have raised it in the past for my cattle but is very tricky to cut and bale with the equipment i have. Not real safe for horses ever but medium to small amounts usually they won’t die. We always tested the nitrate level and it was in the safe zone for cattle. it looks like sorghum when it is short as it would be when unirrigated. Takes a lot of water but grows like gang busters. Not much water it still grows just not much.

[EponaCL]

For you flat landers out there, it is VERY arid in Colo. Average 13 inches of precip a year. So if you are out here on the plains and you want to grow stuff, you irrigate. Hard back breaking manual labor even with sprinklers and with ditches it is just tough. I have done my share of it with shovels and big boots all day in the hot sun trying to get the corn up and the evenly over a sloping field. My county used to be the third wealthiest county in the US for agricultural income and it was a lot of cattle but also a huge number of vegetable farms and sugar beets. Now i think we are down to sixth because Denver has gobbled up land and water rights. But only the San Joachim valley and one other area in Ca were ahead of us. Water is king out here. I guess will never ever take all my fresh food year round for granted ever again. Or my hay.