[QUOTE=magnolia73;2527332]
I’m also suprised that it is a felony to steal a dog. Normally felony v misdemeanor is based on value of items stolen.[/QUOTE]
I met an older couple who were starting competitive obedience with their dogs. They used to do field trials with Labrador Retrievers. The wife once turned down an offer of $50,000 for her Field Trial Champion—offered to her by the person who didn’t want to come in second—AGAIN—to her dog.
Yup, “huntin’” dogs CAN be pretty pricey, sometimes.
I knew I hated PETA, but I had NO idea that they killed animals. 
[QUOTE=Lori;2529914]
I knew I hated PETA, but I had NO idea that they killed animals. :([/QUOTE]
I’ve never had any respect for PETA, and I thought they didn’t run any shelters: I had no idea they were taking in animals and not trying to help them at all. I always knew they were using people’s affectiong for their pets as a fundraising hook, and I knew about the horribly misplaced campaigns that set lab animals free, etc., but I really had no idea they were in the business of directly euthanising so many animals.
[QUOTE=J Swan;2528705]
I know what you mean, Magnolia. When I worked at a nonprofit, I was amazed at how priorities are set within organizations. Often a priority was set not because it was important, or because there was a true need, opportunity to make a real impact - but for political reasons, or to please a high dollar donor, board member or trustee, or even because the target was “sexier” than doing something like paying for a spay/neuter clinic.
I became jaded towards big charities after a while. I’d look at membership records of little old ladies - sending in 25$ to help the rainforest - and see how the money went to all sorts of things - but not one thin dime was spent on producing one measureable goal. But it still counted a “mission related” and not administrative expenses - just because of how the money was entered into the G/L.
PETA is no different. Marketing is very well funded, and people are targeted with great sophistication. It pays off. But as far as helping any animal in need - little to nothing makes its way that far down the chain.
I’ll stick with local and small charities - at least I can keep an eye on them.
I wish the IRS had the ability to police charities more - but there are over 9 million charities in the US. How Peta maintains its tax exempt status is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
As you say, politics is where the animal rights groups are focusing now.
Who would object to this nice idea of doing right for the animals, if they didn’t know any better, that the ultimate goal of those groups is to ELIMINATE ALL USE of our animals, including horses?
Here is one of their latest releases:
http://www.drovers.com/news_editorial.asp?pgID=675&ed_id=4222
Great Website
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm?id=202
Sums it all up.
Quoted from
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21
PETA is not an animal welfare organization.
PETA spends less than one percent of its multi-million dollar budget actually helping animals. The group euthanized (killed) more than 1,900 animals in 2003 alone – that’s over 85 percent of the animals it received. In fact, from July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs, cats, and other “companion animals” at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That’s more than five animals every day. On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 expense for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don’t eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn’t confirmed the obvious – that it’s using the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.
Apparently their freezer must be getting full. Last year a group of them was caught disposing euthanized animal carcasses in a supermarket dumpster.
re: No rational reason
Does the term “domestic terrorism” come to mind? Killing pet animals and throwing a violent demonstration over killing feral pigs? Does not make sense right? Psychological profiling of the population and anything to justify their cultural premise that “man is the most evil of all animals”. My question is how does Ingrid Newkirk stay out of jail?
There are still in a bit of hot water over that. The employees were found guilty of littering - a very minor offense. In Virginia, if you surrender an animal to a shelter (PETA falls under that term though they do not operate a shelter), the shelter is not obligated to put the animal up for adoption - EVEN IF IT SAYS IT WILL.
The employees, over a span of time, would go from vet clinic to vet clinic, and gather animals that the vets had treated but had no home. The surrender was done with complete reliance upon the employees statements that they would find them new homes. Otherwise, the animals would NOT have been turned over to them.
The animals were dead before they left the parking lot. They were immediately euthanized - and the animals saw it. The van was full of crates.
Anyway - they said they dumped the carcasses because it was hot and it started to stink. But they were not convicted of obtaining property under false pretenses as alleged - because as a “shelter”, they had no duty to find the animals homes.
The DEA recently conducted a search of the PETA offices, because it is illegal for PETA employees to have access to or handle euthanasia drugs. Yet in the trial, testimony revealed, under oath, that employees handle and administer euthanasia drugs all the time - and no vet is there to supervise. Not even a vet tech.
They’ll get away with it, of course. They get away with things that, if they were Muslims, would get them sent to Gitmo. Guess PETA has better lawyers!!
[QUOTE=Calamber;2531659]
Does the term “domestic terrorism” come to mind? Killing pet animals and throwing a violent demonstration over killing feral pigs? Does not make sense right? Psychological profiling of the population and anything to justify their cultural premise that “man is the most evil of all animals”. My question is how does Ingrid Newkirk stay out of jail?[/QUOTE]
She stays out of jail because she does not act directly. There have been theories about the relationship between PETA and ALF and various files on her over the years opened by the FBI because the general belief in certain circles is that PETA and ALF are one and the same with PETA being their public face and the ALF being their arms and legs. PETA isn’t the only big animal rights group in this country that engages in assisting the groups you would consider violent with money and resources but they are the one that is usually attracting attention because they make no apologies about it.
[QUOTE=J Swan;2531706]
The employees, over a span of time, would go from vet clinic to vet clinic, and gather animals that the vets had treated but had no home. The surrender was done with complete reliance upon the employees statements that they would find them new homes. Otherwise, the animals would NOT have been turned over to them.
The animals were dead before they left the parking lot. They were immediately euthanized - and the animals saw it. The van was full of crates.[/QUOTE]
What do they have to gain by doing this? Seems like it would be easier not to even mess with these animals and I don’t see how it furthers their “cause” in any way. What is the motivation, and there must be some, or they wouldn’t bother.
[QUOTE=Badger;2531771]
What do they have to gain by doing this? Seems like it would be easier not to even mess with these animals and I don’t see how it furthers their “cause” in any way. What is the motivation, and there must be some, or they wouldn’t bother.[/QUOTE]
They have nothing to gain other than to rile up their more rabid members who believes that any means justifies the end so they will give all of their money and resources to PETA schemes. PETA is NEVER EVER held accountable for any of their actions and PETA also covers their legal expenses when they get caught.
For anyone who doesn’t know, HSUS is a cover for PETA. Google it–they are affiliated. The good organization is the ASPCA. I will not support HSUS and I strongly discourage anyone else from doing so.
[QUOTE=CanadianGolden;2531830]
For anyone who doesn’t know, HSUS is a cover for PETA. Google it–they are affiliated. The good organization is the ASPCA. I will not support HSUS and I strongly discourage anyone else from doing so.[/QUOTE]
Be careful. HSUS seems to have quite a bit of support from equestrians. Why that is, I will never understand as they are not involved in any actual “humane society” programs but they take in almost four times as much money as PETA does per year so the propaganda machine must be working well.
I guess they see it as some sort of public service. It’s a high visibility thing in the VA/NC area they work in. You see the PETA van, and you think oh now nice - they are finding the animals homes.
I think what your looking at is the faces of the organization. One face for each demographic. The average PETA donor also donates to their local animal shelter, the majority of donors are women, and they have a LOT of high dollar donors, as well as foundations, charitable trusts, and other vehicles as a source of extremely large donations. They present a certain face to those donors - that of a more moderate, mainstream, animal loving organization.
To another demographic, that of the disaffected youth, they present a more militant face. This is the PETA of the ALF connection, the PETA that has convicted arsonists teaching college students how to build bombs, etc. The militant arm.
Then there is the institutional demographic. That which presents a certain face to places of learning. To those, they present themselves as humane educators, animal lovers, again, pretty mainstream. So they, as a charity, get into classrooms - starting in kindergarten, and offer “education”.
This education is pretty benign - there are little things like making sure your dog has water and shelter. That’s what they give to school boards as examples of their “humane education.”
What makes it into the classroom is comic books called “Your Mommy Is A Murderer” - that one is for elementary school kids - it is a woman knifing a screaming rabbit.
There are coloring books with screaming cows - screaming because a farmer is going to give them a shot. Same type of thing with chicken - bloody knives, bloody chickens, screaming animals, etc.
Stickers are given out to children (young children) promoting a vegan diet.
It’s the type of marketing that is very attractive to kids - cute animals, coloring books, stickers, etc. But all with the PETA message - Meat is Murder. Some stickers and comics encourage them to resist the authority of teachers and parents.
The whole educational stuff goes from kindergarten through college.
Oddly enough - this marketing to kids is something Big Tobacco got into a lot of trouble for!
Parents do get upset when their kids bring home the PETA materials - but too often the school has a humane education requirement - and the parents are powerless to stop the school from promoting the PETA message.
For folks with kids that attend schools that have such a requirement, you may want to ask that 4-H be the venue for such information. 4-H has a proven record of providing good education regarding animals, home life, and being a decent citizen.
If any of y’all want to double check me on this information - just Google it. It’s absolutely crazy. I met with my state Senator and provided the PETA materials to him - and with his help - Virginia did not institute humane education last session. But the legislation will be up again in the next session.
This doesn’t bode well for hunting. HSUS is taking the hunting issue state by state, and species by species. It’s a very effective strategy, as it serves to divide sportsmen (for example, why should foxhunters be concerned about or pay attention to dove hunting in Michigan?), and since HSUS et al can outspend the entire sporting community - all they have to do is throw money at any issue until we are defeated.
As a segment of the population, hunters and anglers comprise a very small part of our citizenry - even though the money they give towards conservation and preservation of wildlife is far more than the average American - still we’re depicted as destroyers of the natural world.
Strange but true. HSUS is now the largest animal rights group in the US. A lot of former PETA employees work there now. Many donors still think HSUS is the same thing as the local humane society, and PETA is a good group of animal lovers.
Many folks on this very BB are vociferous supporters of one or both groups. And I just don’t get it. Eventers aren’t safe either. Neither are endurance riders, dressage, or any western discipline. Beats me why they still give money…
—“Many folks on this very BB are vociferous supporters of one or both groups. And I just don’t get it. Eventers aren’t safe either. Neither are endurance riders, dressage, or any western discipline. Beats me why they still give money…”—
Maybe because of the way the horse slaughter issue was presented?
[QUOTE=J Swan;2531706]
Guess PETA has better lawyers!![/QUOTE]
Several years ago (before they outsourced the IT dept.) my husband worked for IAMS. He had to wade through PETA protesters on a regualar basis. Between that and the fact that I worked for our local (NOT affiliated with the HSUS) humane society which somehow recieved PETA propaganda-I mean newsletters- I learned an awful lot about PETA.
Although it's been too long for me to recall the actual numbers, what I remember learning the most was this : PETA is about making money, period. Those protesters my husband had to wade through were flown in, put up in hotels, and PAID to break laws and get arrested to ensure that they made the papers-- PUBLICITY. There were lawyers waiting in those paid hotels to1) post bond, 2)defend protesters, and 3) KEEPS THEIR NAME IN THE PAPERS. After all, there is always a chance that someone doesn't bother to read the whole story and is shocked enough by what PETA ALLEGES that IAMS is doing (in this particular case they had contracted a food testing firm that did not follow IAMS regulations and had already been terminated) to make a big fat donation.
The other thing (and these are the exact numbers that I can't remember) was that what PETA spent yearly on legal fees could, if spent on spay/neuter clinics, wipe out our national dog/cat overpopulation problem.
And that's just the money from legal fees. What could the money they spend on publicity do for horses?!?!?[QUOTE=J Swan;2531955]
Strange but true. HSUS is now the largest animal rights group in the US. A lot of former PETA employees work there now. Many donors still think HSUS is the same thing as the local humane society, and PETA is a good group of animal lovers.
Many folks on this very BB are vociferous supporters of one or both groups. And I just don’t get it. Eventers aren’t safe either. Neither are endurance riders, dressage, or any western discipline. Beats me why they still give money…[/QUOTE]
Or submit photos… http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=104019
—“Or submit photos… http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...d.php?t=104019”—
Does that read that the COTH moderator Erin is writing a book on horse care for the HSUS?:eek: :eek: :eek:
I am not sure I understand that, since the HSUS doesn’t generally has anything like that.
Where would they sell it?
Guess that the PR firm they hire now is more creative than the old one used to be.
With last time they rendered taxes, in 2004, declaring donations of 119.9 millions, I guess that they can pay to publish what they want.
It appears so.
I am not sure I understand that, since the HSUS doesn’t generally has anything like that.
Where would they sell it?
Au contraire. At every major bookstore. :no:
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