The Humane Society of the United States Euthanasia Training Manual by Rebecca H. Rhoades (Spiral-bound - Sep 1, 2002)
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I wonder if the HSUS uses the PETA vans?
Good to know anyone can get training on the use of the blue juice. I will sleep better at night.
Thanks guys. Spread the word about HSUS. I mentioned it on UDBB (can we not say that acronym?) and they literally said “bullshit”. Heads in the sand…
When the PETA employees in the dumpster fiasco were arrested - there were HSUS manuals in the back of the van.
I know we all have to make a living, and I hold no personal animosity towards Erin. But I’m disappointed. Very disappointed. And I’m very disappointed that she’s posting on COTH for photos - a publication devoted to the very horse sports HSUS would like to see banned.
Canadian Golden - I’m not surprised. Even my rabidly AR oriented mom refused to believe anything I said about HSUS until she saw for herself during Katrina.
I didn’t realize that HSUS and PETA were affiliated. Scary.
I know that we’re talking apples and oranges here, but what about the SPCAs in Canada, specifically the OSPCA (Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals)? I know that my local Humane Society is part of the OSPCA. Does this mean that the OSPCA (who, IMO are not much better than PETA) and HS are affiliated with PETA? Anyone have any idea?
Just curious. I don’t support any of these groups, but my local HS is the only form of animal control in my area. We’ve had to call them on occasion, but if they’re affiliated with PETA I would much rather deal with things on my own.
I think if it’s an SPCA, you’re okay. The problem is specifically the group “HSUS”. Some of the shelters in the US are called Humane Societies, but I don’t think that necessarily means they are under HSUS.
I haven’t read the other replies, but based on that newsclip they are going to have a hard time prosecuting a felony on those facts, as they are not going to have enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt this woman had the requisite intent to steal this dog.
Dogs should NOT ever be roaming around off the leash and off the owners’ property (which BTW IS against the law in the State of Virginia). They can get hit by cars and/or cause car accidents as people swerve to avoid them, bite children/joggers, attack other people’s animals, etc. I love dogs but it is orresponsible to let them stray, and if that happens inadvertently I don’t think people should be anything but grateful that someone found them and picked them up to return them.
Now, if in fact this woman had no intent to return this dog, that clearly had an owner, that is a problem, to say the least.
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Canadian Golden - I’m not surprised. Even my rabidly AR oriented mom refused to believe anything I said about HSUS until she saw for herself during Katrina.[/QUOTE]
Could you clarify what you mean by the reference to Katrina? Because I was there, and I do know that by the first week of September there were packs of hungry dogs that were a threat to people there. It was a nightmare.
YankeeLawyer - you should read my posts for the full story. This is about hunting dogs - not pets.
You are incorrect about the leash law requirement in Virginia. These are hunting dogs - hunting dogs are exempt from at large and leash laws - when they are hunting. This collar removed was a tracking collar - and the hound was otherwise identified. The tracking collar would have permitted the owner to locate the dog.
Not only that - this disappearance was one among a pattern of disappearances of hunting dogs- in which collars were found on the side of the road, and in bodies of water.
I too doubt that the PETA employee will be found guilty. They have very very very good lawyers.
As far as Katrina - you can search on this BB for the posts - but HSUS was begging for money for crates on their website - and employees were throwing brand new crates into dumpsters and refusing to give them to rescues. The AG in LA is investigating HSUS’s fundraising regarding Katrina.
My mother’s rescue was among those that HSUS not only refused - but they saw with their own eyes HSUS incompetence.
Do you really know this for a fact? And what is your source?
Or any of the statistics posted by others? Where is your source for all this information and the numbers of animals destroyed by PETA?
And personally a pet dog or any dogs (hunting) should not be allowed to roam at night. To do what? Run down and kill wild animals? Harass and kill livestock or pets?
Did anyone actually witness her taking off the hunting collar or is this a hysterical Witch hunt?
As far as the HSUS being affiliated with PETA - Wouldn’t they also be against people having pets? If so, why did they ask for information on Horse care?
I don’t donate to PETA, but have learned a lot what goes on behind the scenes from their web site.
They are the group who video taped the workers at the KFC factory kicking around live chickens for kicks, and the abuse that goes on behind the scenes at circuses.
And much much more.
And if a Moderator wants to help gather information for the HSUS, I don’t think she needs J Swans “Go ahead” to do so. Get over yourself already.
Okay, well I think it is a disgrace that hunting dogs are exempt from leash laws. It is one thing to go foxhunting with them; fine, presumably they are being supervised during that time. It is quite another to let a dog loose at night on its own to go kill animals. How is that a sport, anyway?
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I might be a bit dim here - but - what is PETA/HSUS’s motivation/justification for killing animals?
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Dogs should NOT ever be roaming around off the leash and off the owners’ property (which BTW IS against the law in the State of Virginia).[/QUOTE]
Leash laws are local NOT statewide in VA. I know this for a fact because Rappahannock County has no leash law. It is considered rural. Hunting dogs are exempt from leash laws in most areas, too.
The county refers to the state law if there is a problem, of deeming an animal dangerous or destructive. That is what they had to do when I had a problem a few years back with an ex neighbors nasty dogs.
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I might be a bit dim here - but - what is PETA/HSUS’s motivation/justification for killing animals?[/QUOTE]
Because of their beliefs. Peta mostly. They do not believe animals should be ‘subservient’ to humans, that they have the same rights as you. Peta kills animals because according to their beliefs and principles the animals are better off dead than being pets. For them animals should be appreciated from a distance and only in their wild state. Keeping them in captivity, no matter how well taken care of is cruelty, much less eating them.
Direct from their website:
“People who support animal rights believe that animals are not ours to use for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other purpose and that animals deserve consideration of their best interests regardless of whether they are cute, useful to humans, or endangered and regardless of whether any human cares about them at all.”
and even better:
"As PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk has said, “When it comes to pain, love, joy, loneliness, and fear, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. Each one values his or her life and fights the knife.”
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm
What a nasty piece of work! One would assume that if animals have the same rights as humans then she condones the killing of people also?
Uh Huntertwo - I don’t need to “get over myself”. Erin can do whatever the heck she wants to do - and I’m free to disapprove. And you’re free to disapprove of my disapproval.
If you had read the posts for content, you’d know that some hunters hunt at NIGHT. It’s called - oddly enough - NIGHT hunting. Get it?
So yes, there is a perfectly legal, ethical and appropriate reason for hunting dogs to be out at night, to come home in the morning hours. If they don’t for some reason - some folks put tracking collars on the hounds - so they can locate them.
Ever thought that’s because they are responsible hunters?
I’m not quite sure why you’re posting here - if you are opposed to hunting with dogs, that makes sense, I guess - though I’d think you’d actually want to read up on the subject so you’d be able to discuss the matter intelligently.
Oh by the way - these hunting dogs don’t chase livestock. If they did - a landowner would be perfectly within his rights to shoot the hound. The hound owner knows that, and won’t keep a hound that chases livestock.
Hunting with dogs is a legal activity conducted in rural areas that has gone on for hundreds of years. Nowadays hunters can take advantage of technology to ensure they can find a tardy or errant hound. No one has the right to detain that hound and remove the only means the owner has of finding it.
Not you, not me, and not PETA.
Whether or not the state can prove the employees intended to abscond with the hound; I don’t know. Perhaps the discarded collar was properly preserved as evidence, and the PETA employees fingerprints were found on the collar. I guess we’ll find out.
It’s nice that you think PETA is great for their videotapes - too bad they didn’t videotape killing all the kittens and puppies and dogs and cats in the back of their van that hot day. How do you feel about PETA knowing that they told folks they would find homes for pets and then killing them right in front of each other and dumping the bodies in a shopping center dumpster? I guess you’ll chalk it up to another “witch hunt”?
Puhleeze. I’ve seen PETA in action. There is nothing ethical about them.
HSUS is a cover for PETA. They may do things that appear to be consistent with being a real shelter organization, but they are just as insane. The new legislation (spaying and neutering early, requiring animals to be licensed) is just the start of them slowly controlling dog ownership until they ban it entirely. Hopefully that won’t happen.
Here is just one site that mention’s PETA/HSUS affiliation
http://www.arbreptiles.com/extremists.shtml
And here is a link to the google search.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Fe4&q=HSUS+PETA&btnG=Search
Sorry guys, but NOTHING in these links demonstrates AFFILIATION of PETA and HSUS, or that HSUS is a “cover” for PETA. Show me THAT, show me evidence of AFFILIATION.
And what is the credibility of the person who wrote this website? Nothing more than opinion to me.
Again, if the HSUS is affiliated with PETA, WHY are they asking for advice and or articles pertaining to horse care?
Um, hello, I answered your question already. They are a COVER (in caps since you missed it the first time). They might do things consistent with being a legit organization, such as asking for information on horse care but they are slowly working to ban ownership. About, let’s see, 224,000 sites seem to agree with the first site. I didn’t look through all of them, but I bet that if I reviewed HSUS’s records, I’d find some agreement.
I think you need to define a “COVER”.
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